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Ami Anne
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posted November 19, 2016 05:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is a great question. I got it, in a round about way, from Lisa. First of all, Saturn is glue.Secondly, Saturn is parental. Thirdly, Saturn is discipline, maturity and reaching goals. Saturn is like all planets, in that they can be a blessing or a curse. The most common way to be a blessing is in a positive aspect, such as the trine or sextile. The most common way to be a curse is in the negative aspects of the square and opposition.

I, always, get hostile feedback when I use the terms negative and positive. I do think there are blessings and curses. The curses may, indeed, make us stronger. They may, indeed, lead us to God. However, they are very difficult and they are a challenge. Perhaps, I should use the word “challenging” instead of negative. I will give you that, but squares and oppositions do not allow for change. One must work around them.

Back to Saturn in synastry. Saturn in trine or sextile is a good kind of glue. It holds people together, but does not feel like a prison. Saturn in hard aspect may hold people together, but it may feel like a prison. With Saturn, the conjunction is a hard aspect.

NOW, the big question is “Can a Saturn conjunction be good?” The answer is yes, given certain conditions. The conditions are that there is enough love and simpatico to overcome the strict parent quality that the Saturn brings to the planet( or angle person). The angles are the Ascendant, Descendant, IC and MC.

I just met a lovely girl whose boyfriend’s Saturn conjuncts her Sun, exact. She likes the parental traits he brings to her. She likes someone to help her discipline herself because she finds it difficult to do, on her own. Hence, a Saturn conjunction works for them. However, they, also, have many loving and deeply bonding aspects, such as Moon conjunct Moon. Without these, Saturn in conjunction would, likely, feel like an unwanted bondage.

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posted November 20, 2016 01:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I am not sure anymore to be honest. It seems that at some point the two partners sharing hard Saturn aspects, start hating on each other. I think thats the moment when the karma has been worked out and they start on resenting each other for being glued to one another and not be able to move on.

I have seen a few relationships without hard Saturn aspects and they seem to be happy, happier than the Saturnian relationships.
One is the relationship of Prince Charles and Camilla, the other is Kanye and Kim.
Beyonce and JayZ also have no hard Saturn aspects to planets.

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posted November 20, 2016 05:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Orange

Maybe the trines and sextiles are good but everything else is to hard/feels like a kind of prison

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posted November 29, 2016 01:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for leo_moon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Both my parents' Saturn conjuncts my planets/angles. They were oppressive, unintentionally. They're not naturally strict people. Refreshing to most, suffocating to me. I read that a person's Saturn harsh aspecting your chart ruler, or in your 1st house, is someone you need to stay away from. I checked synastry with people I had very difficult/disastrous relationships with, and that was the case.

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posted November 29, 2016 01:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wish you well, 3!

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posted November 29, 2016 01:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by leo_moon:
Both my parents' Saturn conjuncts my planets/angles. They were oppressive, unintentionally. They're not naturally strict people. Refreshing to most, suffocating to me. I read that a person's Saturn harsh aspecting your chart ruler, or in your 1st house, is someone you need to stay away from. I checked synastry with people I had very difficult/disastrous relationships with, and that was the case.


Great post, as always, LM

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posted November 30, 2016 04:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So you think harsh Saturn aspects are ALWAYS bad? I really think it's up to the Saturn person. Meaning if they are knowledgeable about harsh Saturn aspects they would know what not to do.
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
This is a great question. I got it, in a round about way, from Lisa. First of all, Saturn is glue.Secondly, Saturn is parental. Thirdly, Saturn is discipline, maturity and reaching goals. Saturn is like all planets, in that they can be a blessing or a curse. The most common way to be a blessing is in a positive aspect, such as the trine or sextile. The most common way to be a curse is in the negative aspects of the square and opposition.

I, always, get hostile feedback when I use the terms negative and positive. I do think there are blessings and curses. The curses may, indeed, make us stronger. They may, indeed, lead us to God. However, they are very difficult and they are a challenge. Perhaps, I should use the word “challenging” instead of negative. I will give you that, but squares and oppositions do not allow for change. One must work around them.

Back to Saturn in synastry. Saturn in trine or sextile is a good kind of glue. It holds people together, but does not feel like a prison. Saturn in hard aspect may hold people together, but it may feel like a prison. With Saturn, the conjunction is a hard aspect.

NOW, the big question is “Can a Saturn conjunction be good?” The answer is yes, given certain conditions. The conditions are that there is enough love and simpatico to overcome the strict parent quality that the Saturn brings to the planet( or angle person). The angles are the Ascendant, Descendant, IC and MC.

I just met a lovely girl whose boyfriend’s Saturn conjuncts her Sun, exact. She likes the parental traits he brings to her. She likes someone to help her discipline herself because she finds it difficult to do, on her own. Hence, a Saturn conjunction works for them. However, they, also, have many loving and deeply bonding aspects, such as Moon conjunct Moon. Without these, Saturn in conjunction would, likely, feel like an unwanted bondage.


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posted November 30, 2016 06:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, I think this.

People can be all "intellectual" and 'spiritual" about what they will do, BUT when you live with someone, the real people come out and these aspects will play out and they will hurt, in the manner in which they were described.

Hence, I think it is hubris to think one can "overcome" them.

Let's say there is a Saturn conj the Sun AND a Moon trine Moon, that would be a different story cuz the hearts are bonded.

If not, and there were no Moon connections or hard ones, I think the relationship would feel awful.

See what I mean?

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posted November 30, 2016 07:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes I understand what you mean what if there was a Moon conjunct Mercury conjunction in composite? But Saturn conjunct Moon in synastry?
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Well, I think this.

People can be all "intellectual" and 'spiritual" about what they will do, BUT when you live with someone, the real people come out and these aspects will play out and they will hurt, in the manner in which they were described.

Hence, I think it is hubris to think one can "overcome" them.

Let's say there is a Saturn conj the Sun AND a Moon trine Moon, that would be a different story cuz the hearts are bonded.

If not, and there were no Moon connections or hard ones, I think the relationship would feel awful.

See what I mean?


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posted December 05, 2016 08:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That is a great question, my Friend. The synastry takes me 5 days. I do a quick look at the natals, but, usually, it is not quick. I, usually, add the Comp, but I don't trust it as much as the synastry. After 5 days of living and breathing the chart, I could weight the aspects and give an answer but there are really thousands of things to look at in the charts of a relationship

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