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ana_bee
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posted November 30, 2016 04:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ana_bee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi there, I stumbled upon this interpretation of neptune square the nodes in composite... (via sasstrology.com)

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Neptune square the composite Nodes means it is the relationship’s skipped step; it’s the main issue that needs to be overcome before the relationship can move forward. That issue will be defined by the house that Neptune sits in, but generally it will be an area where the relationship “leaks.” There may be a lack of boundaries between partners, or the relationship will be vulnerable to outside influences.

And I was wondering how this might play out in this chart... Any ideas about Neptune in 5th house opposing moon, venus, mars in 11th house? It seems quiet significant. Any thoughts? Thank you!


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posted December 01, 2016 04:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ana_bee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'd like to bump this, because it's really important to me.. Anyone who could help?

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posted December 01, 2016 09:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not a fan of reading composites without the synastry/natals, but if your TOBs are correct, I would say this opposition, with Neptune as DSC ruler, could point to a very idealized relationship, especially on the 5th/11th axis, for good or bad. A romantic dream, but how this dream fits the actual reality of your charts/the synastry, can only be found there, for me, at least. The 5th is a house of romance, the opposing stellium is very "romantic" (since it contains Moon, Venus, Mars) not to forget the 11th is also the house of dreams, hopes and wishes. So the composite's challenge is bringing this dream into reality or searching for a "beautification" of reality. It would also be very important, according to my view, what happens in your natals on the Yod release (opposing the composite Sun, around 8 deg. Sag).

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posted December 03, 2016 03:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ana_bee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi @LeeLoo2014,

thanks for taking the time! I find it really hard to interpret my own charts. For example I was so concentrated on the aspects that I totally missed out on the fact that there's a yod in our structure!!! Thank you for discovering that! I will post the synastry chart, please tell me more, and be honest. I know there are some hard transits awaiting us, specifically around the time of his saturn return.

Could you say something about the purpose of our relationship?

How bad are the Neptune aspects or the saturn in 4th house?

I checked the position you were talking about (concerning the opposite position of the yod apex) Sag around 08° in our natals. There's no planet or point involved.

But there's a semi-sextile from the c-Sun to c-Moon, if that counts at all, since it's a minor aspect. There's also a sextile and a trine from c-Sun to the c-Nodes.

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posted December 03, 2016 03:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ana_bee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted December 03, 2016 04:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ana_bee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted December 03, 2016 05:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you, Ana Yod! me likey Yods, I will take a closer look tomorrow (very late here).

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posted December 04, 2016 10:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ana_bee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks LeeLoo!!

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posted December 04, 2016 12:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There are many connective aspects in this synastry, such as the trines and the Mutable Grand Cross, and also big challenges such as the unaspected planets, but what stands out to me is that the red person's role here seems to be to help the blue person to reach their 9th house Pars Fortunae, in other words, the red person acts like an "angel" who facilitates "movement" for the blue person, this may include actual travel and move, higher education, finding and reaching one's goals, getting out of a restrictive situation. The relationship has a purpose that goes beyond romance/marital connections, these are charts with a "clear scope" which is seen in the complex story there revolving around the Yods and 9th house matters. The red person is very supportive, directly or indirectly, for the blue person to find their life purpose and also contributes to building the blue person's ideals and ideal partner image, but as a secondary fact. That would be the main theme of the charts for me

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posted December 04, 2016 04:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for todd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Neptune is square the node but the moon is conjunct the mars/venus midpoint and opposed to Neptune and square the node also.

Neptune/moon/mars/venus usually shows a unexpected romance, that is both were not looking for relationship but rather out socializing. this configuration does not bode well for a serious relationship.
especially with hard Neptune/mars/venus aspects there is a lack of fidelity . many times there are other hidden relationships in the background.
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posted December 07, 2016 08:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ana_bee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks LeeLoo!! But how do you see the 9th house emphasis? There`s only my pof conj his moon. Did I miss sth?

Also my IC is conj his NN in 9th house (okay here goes the 9th house)... but I thought this would imply that I would help him on his way..

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posted December 07, 2016 08:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ana_bee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Todd,

thanks for the reply! We did meet during a time where neither of us was looking for a relationship, at least I didn`t. He pursued me and I had initially a hard time giving it a serious try, despite me being irresistably drawn to him.

We`ve been together now for about a year, and we are really committed. Of course a year isn`t much, and we do have our challenges.. The way we communicate is very different, so this deffinitly is an area of challenge and adjustment. And we`re both quiet defensive and afraid to get hurt.

But the strenght of our relationship is the emotionality, the way we impact each other when we are together. The chemistry. All the things I couldn`t adequately put to words.

So if anything, then this aspect you were talking about could it maybe show that we`re prone to idealize each other too much? That our love is more a mutual fantasy than something thats grounded in reality? We`re both very idealistic...so this is certainly a danger that I`m aware of. And I`m also aware of the fact that I`m prone to falling in and out of love pretty quickly.

But this human is very important to me, and I would really like to make it last..

Any ideas about our north node in 8th house opposite juno?`Or anything else that you see?

btw thanks for your honest opinion!

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posted December 07, 2016 04:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for todd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ana_bee:
Hi Todd,

thanks for the reply! We did meet during a time where neither of us was looking for a relationship, at least I didn`t. He pursued me and I had initially a hard time giving it a serious try, despite me being irresistably drawn to him.

We`ve been together now for about a year, and we are really committed. Of course a year isn`t much, and we do have our challenges.. The way we communicate is very different, so this deffinitly is an area of challenge and adjustment. And we`re both quiet defensive and afraid to get hurt.

But the strenght of our relationship is the emotionality, the way we impact each other when we are together. The chemistry. All the things I couldn`t adequately put to words.

So if anything, then this aspect you were talking about could it maybe show that we`re prone to idealize each other too much? That our love is more a mutual fantasy than something thats grounded in reality? We`re both very idealistic...so this is certainly a danger that I`m aware of. And I`m also aware of the fact that I`m prone to falling in and out of love pretty quickly.

But this human is very important to me, and I would really like to make it last..

Any ideas about our north node in 8th house opposite juno?`Or anything else that you see?

btw thanks for your honest opinion!


hiya
juno conjunct the node is an aspect of a serious relationship and Jupiter square to venus also reinforces this feeling. Jupiter square to venus is a extremely favorable aspect because it shows you enjoy each other no matter want you are doing. it gives joy and laughter to all your interactions.i believe this is the only square that doesn't have a downside as the natures of the planets are similar.

I notice that mercury is conjunct to Uranus which g8ves a strong mental and psychic connection. likely you know each others thoughts before thy are spoken.this also marks you both as very intelligent people which could be part of the attraction.
chiron is opposed to the mercury/Uranus conjunction which adds to the mental coherence. it shows that you are both very inquisitive and analytical.it also heightens the psychic connection. I would think that you and he have common dreams about ach other with so much astral/psychic similarities .I would think you both are involved in some scientifically based profession with these aspects. it may simply be computer techs.
but the opposition of these planets can often lead to disagreements or argument and this aspect is probably reflective of " The way we communicate is very different, so this definitely is an area of challenge and adjustment. And we`re both quiet defensive and afraid to get hurt" ,because chiron can be very critical at times
I must say that being together for a year is quite a achievement in this day and age of brief romances.
you do have a quixotic aspect with the eros/psychic midpoint square to pluto. this is not usually a romantic aspect because it shows impulses of affection are coming from the unconscious. this aspect could also be part of the feeling of not wanting to be hurt as this could show that some ties you and he are confused by the other's display of affection or misunderstand the others show of affection .
the node was just square your ascendant and will be square to the sun and conjunct the vertex axis in December so I would expect that you and he are currently feeling a strong karmic or otherworldly sense of connection.
rahu
The node was conjunct your composite ascendant at 9vir38 on November 15.
the node has just squared you composite sun at 7gem23 will be squared by the node on December 10 and the South node will conjunct your vertex at 5pis36 on December 25.so you are in the middle of a nodal transit that should bring out these feelings of a paranormal connection. Especially when the node transited the composite ascendant, you and he would have had strong telepathic/intuitional communication.
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posted December 07, 2016 04:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ana_bee:
Thanks LeeLoo!! But how do you see the 9th house emphasis? There`s only my pof conj his moon. Did I miss sth?

Also my IC is conj his NN in 9th house (okay here goes the 9th house)... but I thought this would imply that I would help him on his way..


Hi Anna
The 9th house theme I noticed comes as a conclusion from a variety of aspects in there:

the Jupiter Yod and its position
your 9th ruler mirroring this Yod
his ASC/Chiron/Jupiter "opening" your 9th house (I see cusp conj overlays as "keys", especially Chiron, there is a thread somewhere I made about this)
the expansive impact he has on your chart (9th-10th-11th)
vertex/nodal contacts
basically an overall look at the chart

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it doesn't mean this is all your relationship is about, just something standing out to me at first glance. I assume there must be some strong 9th house theme related to how you met and/or your relationship, as I described (being from different backgrounds/culture, travel, higher education, teaching/learning, goals, religion, philosophy) if not, the 9th house theme will be the way of the future

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posted December 08, 2016 10:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ana_bee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by todd:

you do have a quixotic aspect (...) impulses of affection are coming from the unconscious.

What do you mean by that? English isn`t my first language, but quixotic is supposed to be "idealistic" (?)... Why isn`t this romantic?

Yes we indeed do work in technology together. We met at work, in a group setting. He`s almost 5 years younger than me, ..one of the reasons why I was hesitant at first. I usually date older men.

1)How do you see if a relationship is build to last? Other than Saturn aspects, node contacts etc. I mean if it was your relationship.. Is there one specific indicator in our chart that shows.. "yes they`ll probably stay in each others lives for a very long time".. or an indicator for.. "alright this is karmic and it`s not ment to last, just a lesson for you both".
I know this is quiet a lot to ask, .. predicting someone`s future, etc....I`m just really curious..

2)How would you interpret our NN in 8th house Aries with the neptune and moon square, the sun sextile, and pluto inconjunct and ASC inconjunct? Is this the "final outcome" of our relationship? It`s hard for me to put different aspects into one cohesive story, like you and LeeLoo did, before.

I could start, and maybe you could help me out?

c-NN 8th house in Aries: We are supposed to "merge together". Whether it`s our material assets, talents or sexually. Together we have to be brave and unafraid (Aries) in creating real intimacy between us. Not just having sex in a physical way, but also in a soulful way. With juno conj SN in 2nd house we might have been in a marriage out of security reasons. So this is something we shall avoid this time. We shouldn`t adopt structures and values that would stiffle our individuality (again aries). So we have to merge, but still stay our own person. (this theme kinda repeats itself in my natal chart with NN in 7th house, taurus - Being able to create healthy relationships, where everyone stays true to their own values)
We have a packed 11th house.. friendship,dreams,ideals.. squared by neptune in 5th house.. so having unrealistic, idealized expectations towards sex and children or maybe even being unfaithful would shatter our dreams and hinder us in fulfilling our 8th house destiny?? You see here`s the point where I get lost.. I`m not too good in interpreting the 11th house theme! It just doesn`t relate to me at all. I`m usually a rather private person, and he`s also not that group oriented. It really surprises me that in our composite all personal planets are in the upper hemisphere. I also don`t know how to put the inconjunct from pluto in H3 and the inconjunct from our Asc in the equation. Also the sun is in 10th house Gemini looks quiet impersonal, lost and afflicted by the yod?! I`m not sure if that yod is good or bad. LeeLoo said it was quiet significant.

3)The sun in Gemini 10th house kind of irritates me. Although my natal moon and vertex are both in Gemini, it`s a sign I don`t relate to very well. This public rather impersonal position of the sun doesn`t seem to fit into our NN 8th house theme, at first. Or does it? There´s a sextile between sun and NN.

My natal IC is conj his NN - so there`s the theme of creating a personal relationship rather than a business association in our synastry. Looks like the composite sun in H10 is contradicting this!

4) I know there are hard times ahead of us.. around 2018 t-Saturn will conj his DSC. The same Saturn will also conj our composite Neptune in H5 opposing all of our planets in the 11th house, one by one... so if we make it till then, this will be a tough time of testing, or how would you see it? Btw I just noticed that our composite is having its Saturn Return in 4th house, since transit Saturn is conj the composite saturn! Is this in any way significant?

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posted December 08, 2016 11:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ana_bee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@LeeLoo

Now I see it, too. Thank you!
We met through work in a group setting. New media/entertainment..We both speak several languages and have a migrational background- he through his parents and I was also born soemwhere else, so this relates to 9th house issues. Wouldn`t mind if 9th house themes would become part of our future..travel, philosophy, morals, different world views, we talk a lot about that kind of stuff. ;p

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posted December 08, 2016 02:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for todd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by todd:

you do have a quixotic aspect (...) impulses of affection are coming from the unconscious.

What do you mean by that? English isn`t my first language, but quixotic is supposed to be "idealistic" (?)... Why isn`t this romantic?

Yes we indeed do work in technology together. We met at work, in a group setting. He`s almost 5 years younger than me, ..one of the reasons why I was hesitant at first. I usually date older men.

1)How do you see if a relationship is build to last? Other than Saturn aspects, node contacts etc. I mean if it was your relationship.. Is there one specific indicator in our chart that shows.. "yes they`ll probably stay in each others lives for a very long time".. or an indicator for.. "alright this is karmic and it`s not ment to last, just a lesson for you both".
I know this is quiet a lot to ask, .. predicting someone`s future, etc....I`m just really curious..

2)How would you interpret our NN in 8th house Aries with the neptune and moon square, the sun sextile, and pluto inconjunct and ASC inconjunct? Is this the "final outcome" of our relationship? It`s hard for me to put different aspects into one cohesive story, like you and LeeLoo did, before.

I could start, and maybe you could help me out?

c-NN 8th house in Aries: We are supposed to "merge together". Whether it`s our material assets, talents or sexually. Together we have to be brave and unafraid (Aries) in creating real intimacy between us. Not just having sex in a physical way, but also in a soulful way. With juno conj SN in 2nd house we might have been in a marriage out of security reasons. So this is something we shall avoid this time. We shouldn`t adopt structures and values that would stiffle our individuality (again aries). So we have to merge, but still stay our own person. (this theme kinda repeats itself in my natal chart with NN in 7th house, taurus - Being able to create healthy relationships, where everyone stays true to their own values)
We have a packed 11th house.. friendship,dreams,ideals.. squared by neptune in 5th house.. so having unrealistic, idealized expectations towards sex and children or maybe even being unfaithful would shatter our dreams and hinder us in fulfilling our 8th house destiny?? You see here`s the point where I get lost.. I`m not too good in interpreting the 11th house theme! It just doesn`t relate to me at all. I`m usually a rather private person, and he`s also not that group oriented. It really surprises me that in our composite all personal planets are in the upper hemisphere. I also don`t know how to put the inconjunct from pluto in H3 and the inconjunct from our Asc in the equation. Also the sun is in 10th house Gemini looks quiet impersonal, lost and afflicted by the yod?! I`m not sure if that yod is good or bad. LeeLoo said it was quiet significant.

3)The sun in Gemini 10th house kind of irritates me. Although my natal moon and vertex are both in Gemini, it`s a sign I don`t relate to very well. This public rather impersonal position of the sun doesn`t seem to fit into our NN 8th house theme, at first. Or does it? There´s a sextile between sun and NN.

My natal IC is conj his NN - so there`s the theme of creating a personal relationship rather than a business association in our synastry. Looks like the composite sun in H10 is contradicting this!

4) I know there are hard times ahead of us.. around 2018 t-Saturn will conj his DSC. The same Saturn will also conj our composite Neptune in H5 opposing all of our planets in the 11th house, one by one... so if we make it till then, this will be a tough time of testing, or how would you see it? Btw I just noticed that our composite is having its Saturn Return in 4th house, since transit Saturn is conj the composite saturn! Is this in any way significant?

What do you mean by that? English isn`t my first language, but quixotic is supposed to be "idealistic" (?)... Why isn`t this romantic?

quixotic means confusing here.confusing because eros/psyche midpoint shows where the point of ideastic,romantic love is.confusing because pluto is an unconscious planet and very selfish by nature. so there is a "conscious attraction" that is affected by your unconscious impulses. pluto can show past life connections so the interpretation could lead to a love from a past life.
but usually when there is a strong unconscious impulse, conscious emotions such as love are not expressed. of course this is just one aspect.


1)How do you see if a relationship is build to last? Other than Saturn aspects, node contacts etc. I mean if it was your relationship.. Is there one specific indicator in our chart that shows.. "yes they`ll probably stay in each others lives for a very long time".. or an indicator for.. "alright this is karmic and it`s not ment to last, just a lesson for you both".
I know this is quiet a lot to ask, .. predicting someone`s future, etc....I`m just really curious..

usually there is no one specific aspect that shows a stable relationship.i think I have already covered this. "juno conjunct the node is an aspect of a serious relationship and Jupiter square to venus also reinforces this feeling. Jupiter square to venus is a extremely favorable aspect because it shows you enjoy each other no matter want you are doing. it gives joy and laughter to all your interactions.i believe this is the only square that doesn't have a downside as the natures of the planets are similar." Jupiter rule marriage as ruler of the 8th house and juno relates to marriage as the empress to the emperor(Jupiter). so in this chart both planets are strongly posited, juno may be stronger because she is conjunct the south node. this would imply that though both of you are interested in a serious relationship, you have the greater interest in a serious relationship

2)How would you interpret our NN in 8th house Aries with the neptune and moon square, the sun sextile, and pluto inconjunct and ASC inconjunct? Is this the "final outcome" of our relationship? .

philosophically Neptune can relate to merging of the soul etc. but practically, especially in a composite, neptuen realte more to "dissolving" and instability in parts of the personalities. the sextile and inconjuncts you mention simply are not strong enough to counter the affect of Neptune square the node. and you are not looking at the moon/vneus/mars midpoint opposed to Neptune. this pattern is the strongest pattern inn the chart. Neptune here shows the cultural differences and the multi linguistic talents you have. these characteristic suggest a positive outcome for the relationship whereas,for example if you were both of the same nationality, then the dissolving force of Neptune would tend to show the infidelity I mentioned in the first post.
the longevity of the relationship is very hards to determine because of the Uranus/mercury conjunction opposed to moon/venus/mars, as Uranus is very erratic and prone to sudden change.in this chart I believe the mercury/Uranus conjunction represents that he is younger than you. though the moon/mars/venus opposition shows you are a spirit that is younger than your years.

leelo is using synastry so be cautious when comparing us as the composite and synastry do not always show the same dymanics.

overall, the fate of the relationship seems to rest with him,mercury/Uranus.

the next month is very important for the longterm of this relationship as I posted.

The node was conjunct your composite ascendant at 9vir38 on November 15.
the node has just squared you composite sun at 7gem23 will be squared by the node on December 10 and the South node will conjunct your vertex at 5pis36 on December 25.so you are in the middle of a nodal transit that should bring out these feelings of a paranormal connection. Especially when the node transited the composite ascendant, you and he would have had strong telepathic/intuitional communication.

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