posted December 06, 2016 08:09 AM            

Every time I am privileged to do a chart, I learn new things. In my last professional chart, three new things came up for me. One was the asteroid Circe, which is completely fascinating as she beguiles men as a temptress. The other was the vertex and the anti-vertex and the subject of fate. This article will be a work in progress, as I research this subject.

I can start of by saying that the Vertex is a fated point. The vertex shows what fate will bring you, both by what is present in your OWN natal and by looking at your synastry with key people in your life. I already knew about the synastry part of the vertex. I have an article on it. I have seen it play out. For example, if one person is a spiritual messenger to another, the spiritual messenger’s Neptune may be an exact conjunction to the other person’s Vertex. I have seen this in my own life. Find your Vertex on Astro.com. Then, start checking synastries and see what you bring to people and they to you.

The Anti-vertex point in your own chart shows more of YOUR contribution to your life and your fate, in that sense. This is what makes the Anti-vertex more like your ASC than the vertex. The Anti-vertex is YOUR contribution to fate. The vertex is OTHER people’s and life’s contribution to your fate.

Let me give some examples. I want to say that I am a beginner with the Anti-vertex and the vertex’s role in the natal chart, so please add anything to the Comment Section and know that I am writing from the vantage point of a newbie.

One woman had Nessus and Child conjunct the Vertex. She had Venus and Union conjunct the Anti-Vertex. That was one of the reasons that she contacted me for a chart reading. She was afraid that Nessus conjunct the Vertex would make her an abusive person. I did not know how to deal with this issue, so started researching this subject and that is how I came to write this article. My conclusion was that Nessus conjunct the Vertex would make abuse come to HER, rather than she being the abuser. Child conjunct the vertex may make for abused children coming to her. Strangely enough, this is her passion in life i.e to be an oasis for abused children. Again, Astrology hits it on the mark.

From her Venus conjunct Union conjunct the Anti-vertex, my conclusion was that she brought love and the desire for a permanent union to her world. This was the case.

With the vertex and anti-vertex, new vistas of the chart have opened for me.

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posted December 06, 2016 02:58 PM            

I've read that if a person has a natal planet conjunct their Vertex angle it heightens the importance of the Vertex in their natal chart. I read somewhere (The Inner Wheel article) that people with important planets conjunct their Anti-vertex are particularly self-contained. I have my moon exactly conjunct my Ant-vertex (Gemini) and would say this is true for me, I'm more self contained than your average person and not inclined to be in a relationship unless it's a serious one. Sometimes I don't relate to or understand the day to day relationship needs that others have.

It would be fair to say then that my vertex angle is important in my chart and if I were to meet someone with important planets conjuncting my vertex it could have quite an effect on me. Well this is exactly what happened. I was dating a guy circa 2 years ago who's Sun, Neptune and Mercury conjunct my Sagg Vertex. He's a lot of Sagg. The Sun conjuncts exactly, the other two planets just one degree. Needless to say I'm not over it. I've also read that the Vertex person can cling particularly when the Vertex angle is so significant in their chart. I think I was more affected probably for that very reason.

If he is meant to bring me spiritual awareness, as you mention with it being Neptune, then I haven't yet worked out what he was supposed to teach me. We're still friends (just). The sexual attraction is high but aside from those attraction aspects and the Vertex aspects there's numerous other gluey aspects in the synastry which I think keep us going back to each other time again.

posted December 06, 2016 06:11 PM            

I am not an expert in the vertex and antivertex but I think that the antivertex is what YOU bring to the world and if it is the Moon, it is heart, and that is really nice!

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posted December 06, 2016 06:43 PM            

I also agree for the most part with Ami's distinction between the Vertex and the Anitvertex. The Antivertex shows our personal expectations regarding our fate, and how these expectations can be fulfilled. And the Vertex shows how others and the unexpected can provide fateful game-changers for us, sending us into directions we never even thought of.

The Antivertex is like an Asc and can show quite distinctly how we contribute to our own fate. The antivertex shows what we focus on in terms of what we suspect our fate will be. The Antivertex shows how our own expectations, dreams, hopes and fears contribute to our own fate. However, this can include fated experiences in relationships.

For example, if we have Uranus on the Antivertex we may have always suspected that an important person we meet will bring a little more 'crazy', social involvement, or intellectual fascination, into our lives. When we do meet someone that puts a planet on our Antivertex (and Uranus) it's like they can fulfill that role for us in a meaningful way. A scenario or relationship that previously existed only in our minds is pulled out into the real physical world in the form that person.

The Antivertex is self-determined in that it shows what we think is going to happen to us one day. It shows the path we’ve always kind of suspected we were going to walk. It shows our dreams and fantasies of what we wish would happen. As well as our fears about what we’re afraid will happen. Synastry and transits to the Antivertex can show dreams coming true, especially if the connection is well aspected overall. If the synastry or transit has challenging aspects involved sometimes it can involve a personal fear of ours appearing in the reality of our lives.

The Antivertex tends to bring us what we suspected we would be getting all along. It’s said that the Vertex Axis brings us life altering turning points. With the Antivertex that turning point sends us towards a fated event or relationship that we’ve half expected all along. If we have the Antivertex in Virgo we have a dream that an important person we meet will help us to get more organized, help us sort our health out, bring us practical assistance of some kind, or provide for us an honest critical eye so that we can make better decisions on what needs to be done. When we meet someone with a Virgo planet on our Antivertex that person brings that dream of ours into reality. What that person contributes to life matches our inner expectations on what we thought we needed.

The Vertex also brings fated events into our lives but it functions in the opposite way to the Antivertex. The Vertex shows where we can be somewhat oblivious to what really lies around the corner. It shows where we are likely to be surprised by totally unexpected turns of events or relationships that come our way. The Vertex is a paradigm shifter. A game changer. It teaches us to look at the world in a whole new way. The Antivertex takes a scenario that already existed in our mind and makes it a part of our reality. The Vertex pulls things into our reality that seem to have come from an alternate universe. We may feel we never could have predicted that Vertex scenario in our lives before it actually happened.

The Vertex is more like a Dsc in that it shows how outside forces and people can shape our lives. People who affect our Antivertex confirm our personal expectations in some way. People who affect our Vertex open our minds up to totally new possibilities we may not have considered before. They influence us to change our mindset, our behavior, and our life direction. If you fall for somebody with planets on your Vertex they may not be your usual ‘type’, or even if they are your usual type there’s something they teach or show you that radically shifts your perspective. The Vertex seems to teach us appreciation for some new thing that previously we hadn’t fully considered before. It also adds new knowledge to old interests which makes us change the way we view things.

If we had, say, Pisces on the Vertex we may not have expected to be significantly influenced by someone else’s compassion, psychic ability, escape methods, fantasies, or artistic expression (we were to busy focusing on the Virgo Antivertex which tells what we think we need). However, when we meet that person with a Pisces planet on our Vertex they open our eyes to a new way of experiencing the world. The way they use their imagination may inspire us, or the way they show compassion may cause us to rethink how we treat others. There are millions of possibilities as to how we’ll be changed by them, but the theme will be Piscean.

People often spend so much time focusing on what they think they need (the Antivertex) that they can forget about the gifts offered that which we have not expected (the Vertex). The Antivertex shows the dreams and hopes we’ve had for ourselves for a long time, while the Vertex shows how new dreams and hopes are created within us due to the influence of other people. People who put planets on our Vertex teach us to value that which we have previously been oblivious to. Vertex people shine spot-light in the darkness for us, and reveal things we never even knew were there. They help us to make new connections, discover new talents, and find new missions. The world ‘revelation’ matches Vertex symbolism very well.

People with planets on the Antivertex are very self-directed, because they have a strong sense of what they’re looking for in life and won’t settle for anything else. They have a very clearly defined vision of what fate has in store for them, and they look for that. This seems to be so especially in relationships. They often have a strong impression of their ideal mate based on the symbolism of their Antivertex and what planet is conjunct it. The wait until they meet such a person.

In general, the sign and planets connected with the natal Antivertex will show details of what a person expects their fate to be, especially in love, but also with other things like career direction as well. It’s also worth looking at the ruler of the Antivertex sign for extra clues on what a person’s vision of their own fate looks like.

People with planets on the Vertex seem to be more open to whatever life brings. Other people often contribute very strongly to where this person is headed in life, and meeting new people helps them get ahead to the next exciting new phase. They’re not always sure where the next opportunity is coming from, but somehow or another it always seems to turn up. When it comes to love they tend to be a little more open on what type of mate they end up with, and they’re looking forward to the surprise of it all. The planet on the Vertex will show the themes connected with how they get ahead in life in unexpected ways. With Mercury on the Vertex it’s peers, important conversations, learning, and local places, that feature strongly in how the Vertex person finds the next step forward.

In general, the Vertex shows how a person is lead forward in life due to the influence of others, and unexpected twists of fate. The sign and planets on the natal Vertex will show how a person can be surprised, and what they can be oblivious to until someone else points it out to them. The planets and sign connected with the Vertex show the issues and themes that lead to personal ‘revelations’ for us. Again, look at the ruler of the Vertex sign for extra clues as to how life will unexpectedly lead you forward.

In Synastry, the planet a person puts on either end of your Vertex Axis shows how they contribute to your fate. It could be with their Jupiter (optimism, personal growth, ethics), their Sun (self-expression, leadership, feeling passionate about life), their Mercury (communication, learning), and so on. They are able to bring the energy of that planet to you in a fateful way.

For example with Venus on either end of the Vertex Axis…

With Venus on your Antivertex in synastry, that person’s way of relating, and appreciation of arty things, will confirm certain ideals you have about how life should play out for you. It will feel very meaningful to you that the Venus person just ’gets’ where you are coming from, and has similar attitudes and experiences. They confirm what you suspected to be true about love and relationships with their Venus energy, and this can be very validating. They fit your pre-existing ideals on what fate should have in store for you. The way the Venus person expresses their affection towards you can often feel like a ‘dream come true’ as it may very much fit your fantasies of how love is supposed to be. The key world here is VALIDATION in relation to Venus themes and issues, that’s what Venus in synastry on the Antivertex brings.

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posted December 06, 2016 10:10 PM            

YOU bring the antivertex to other people like if you have the Moon there, you bring heart to other people etc

Venus--love etc

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posted December 07, 2016 03:50 AM            

Spiritual lessons from him, well still in the dark on that, no light bulb moments although I've been looking for those. Why on earth has fate brought this unique person/situation that feels fated. The water is muddied somewhat because there's other indicators like Mars conjunct North Node DW, Saturn, heavy Neptune and so on so the lesson, if indeed there is one, might not just be a Vertex one. Possibly the Vertex triggered the event/meet but now it's job is done, leaving us to piece together the remaining pieces to try and understand what just happened and what we were supposed to have learned. If I do ever get that light bulb moment I'll let you know.

posted December 07, 2016 06:27 AM            

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posted December 08, 2016 02:54 AM            

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Originally posted by Liliya:
Great post Lotis. Thank you!

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posted December 08, 2016 03:28 AM            

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Originally posted by Littleh:
Taking on board what Lotis is saying then perhaps this guy is my revelation who has come to show me another way. If that's the case I'd say what he might be here to show me through his detached nature is there is no tradition when in comes to relationships, people exist together in all sorts of arrangements be it open relationship, not living together, friends with benefits or whatever that might be, and it's not wrong it's just different to what society have come to expect. Alternatively he's just got issues of his own that makes his preference to remain detached. I think he has, as do most of us in some form.

Spiritual lessons from him, well still in the dark on that, no light bulb moments although I've been looking for those. Why on earth has fate brought this unique person/situation that feels fated. The water is muddied somewhat because there's other indicators like Mars conjunct North Node DW, Saturn, heavy Neptune and so on so the lesson, if indeed there is one, might not just be a Vertex one. Possibly the Vertex triggered the event/meet but now it's job is done, leaving us to piece together the remaining pieces to try and understand what just happened and what we were supposed to have learned. If I do ever get that light bulb moment I'll let you know.

I'm generally attracted to Saggs my Vertex sign and seem to attract Saggs to me, I never really attracted to Geminis, the sign on my Anti-vertex, nor they to me. Having said that my Jupiter is 4 degrees from my Moon/Anti-vertex conjunction and think Jupiter's ruling planet is Sagg.

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I wouldn't do too much mental gymnasticks trying to figure out this guy. In romance contacts to Vertex often teach us something new about we're looking for in relationships. The person becomes like an example for us of a certain type of theme or scenario. Something that touches us deeply and sticks in our memory. But sometimes we learn more from them about what we don't want rather then what we do. Say, did his actions ever surprise you in someway, or did you ever feel blindsided or shocked by him (in either a positive or negative way) this is also typical of Vertex symbolism.

You say your not over it yet, but don't worry it'll pass. He's far from the only guy who can touch your Vertex and oppose your Moon (which is significant just by itself). About the different kinds of relationships thing you seem to have picked up from him.... Men and women are wired differently. I've read a few books on the differences between male and female brains. It's now scientifically factual that the majority of women look for security, and are never truly satisfied with a non-committal hook-ups. Especially if the women starts to become emotionally involved it can affect her self esteem if the guy she's hooking up with won't commit. Whereas guys have less trouble with this. They're able to compartmentalize relationships more distinctly... You're either serious relationship material or 'fun', and rarely will a guy switch a women from one category to the other one once he's slotted you into place in his mind. It's not impossible though. Just rare. My thoughts are that if you know early on that you want a serious relationship with a guy, then don't let yourself fall into the trap of being his friend with benefits because this can lead to heartbreak if puts you in that category in his mind. Once your in that category it's hard to get out. Women though can actually start to fall in love after repeated intimacy a guy because we don't compartmentalize the same way that a guy does. Even if you weren't attached in the beginning those feelings can start to develop. Maybe not always, it's just more of a risk with the ladies. Sorry if i'm going of tangent here. I just want to save you from unnecessary heartbreak if I possibly could.

posted December 08, 2016 07:52 AM            

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Originally posted by Littleh:
Liliya, I tend to discount anything over 3 degrees for angle contacts, in the example above they're all tight so exact mostly or within a degree or two

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YES, the vertex has a very small orb, even two degrees, my Friend.

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posted December 08, 2016 03:58 PM            

I've got Mercury in near-exact parallel to my Vertex and I do see how other people (Vertex in the 7th house) have given me some really shocking, unexpected revelations/ideas about the way I think, talk, learn, etc. Mercury also makes an exact quincunx so I guess that'd back this up.

posted December 10, 2016 02:52 AM            

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Originally posted by thegrinning_cat:
With my special someone I have my Antivertex conjunct his Juno and Northnode.
His Antivertex is conjunct my Juno and Mercury - also square my Northnode.

What could that mean?

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Has anyone an idea about it? Thankd

posted December 12, 2016 03:28 PM            

I think the Juno conjunctions to the angles probably less significant but I've only researched Juno from a Magi perspective (to planets) and they don't use the angles.

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posted December 13, 2016 12:32 PM            

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Originally posted by Littleh:
yes I usually check the declinations to see what's going on there as it can be quite telling. Aspects can show up in that chart through parallels and contra-parallels which might be missing from the regular chart comparison. I think contacts to the vertex and north node in the declinations are significant too using a relatively tight orb. It's interesting when you find an aspect repeated in the declinations or a planet which is unsuspected in the main chart but then aspected in the declinations

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Yes, exactly, that's what I love about declinations as well. I think the user Kannon has talked a lot about how a parallel to the Ascendant can change looks, so why not use this aspect for synastry as well, right?

It can definitely be an eye-opener, there have been threads by people saying they feel they have a certain aspect but it doesn't show up in the synastry list. I've had this myself but in my natal chart - and seen it in other natal charts as well, it explains a lot.

Very strong aspects. Especially when it's backing up an aspect that was already in the chart synastry.