posted December 07, 2016 08:58 PM            

maybe it depends on a person's belief, if they belive its bad then it will be, (and they believe in asteroids linked to syncrhonicity) or if they think they dont effect anything then they wont

God: "Well your higher beliefs really enjoys and finds meaning in seeing synchronsis things being connected with one another- so I ended your last relationship in a somewhat bad way so that you'd find the meaning behind the nessus-moon conjunction in synastry you had and knew that you would likely discover that. "

posted December 07, 2016 09:40 PM            

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Originally posted by yota13:
Yeah kind of agree with you, I have found asteroid karma in synastry to be significant also if an asteroid aspects vertex, node, angles then I definitely find it important. But there are just way too many of them! I mean they're like grains of sand compared to planetary bodies so how important can they be? Like the asteroid to asteroid stuff. I don't know.

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posted December 07, 2016 09:46 PM            

So you mean other people don't find composite and davidson accurate? Cause based on logic they should have absolutely no significance- so if other people are finding them to not work, that's a relief. It means people can tell if something isn't true.

Both of those charts have no accordance with laws of logic or rationality. They are useless. The concept "sounds" neat, "well we got bored and weren't sure how else to find meaningful stuff, so we thought why not put up a synastry chart, now plot the point in the middle of each planet-same-planet relation. I dunno if it works. Seems neat tho"

posted December 07, 2016 09:48 PM            

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Originally posted by headintheclouds91:
i even find aspects with the outer planets that a lot of people find unimportant bc its so generational way more important in synastry than astroid aspects in synastry. I find all the astroid stuff a joke tbh.

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posted December 07, 2016 09:58 PM            

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Originally posted by soren:
Actually I've found Ceres, Vesta, Pallas, even Hygiea are slightly significant in charts. But Juno is as small as the next 30+ asteroids below Vesta.

So you mean other people don't find composite and davidson accurate? Cause based on logic they should have absolutely no significance- so if other people are finding them to not work, that's a relief. It means people can tell if something isn't true.

Both of those charts have no accordance with laws of logic or rationality. They are useless. The concept "sounds" neat, "well we got bored and weren't sure how else to find meaningful stuff, so we thought why not put up a synastry chart, now plot the point in the middle of each planet-same-planet relation. I dunno if it works. Seems neat tho"

"Not sure what else we are supposed to do, so lets try doing that"

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posted December 07, 2016 10:00 PM            

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Originally posted by MahaKali:
Why some people pay much attention on asteroids, especially in Synastry? I mean, it's fun, can be interesting to dig deeper but there's thousand of them, all over our chart, they are small. Even if they have some impact, it's a low energy.

I read some articles about, for example, bad asteroids like Nesuss, which can bring abuse if touches some planet in synastry, and saw many times comments like RUN, I WOULD RUN and similar. How someone can say something like that? There's huge number of bad asteroids, and I'm pretty sure that if you would dig deeper, at least two bad asteroids would touch some of your planets. After all, even if we talk about planets, good and hard aspects between them, it's also very unprofessional to focus on one bad aspect, and say someone it will bring pain, sorrow or whatever, like many astrologers (bad in my opinion) do, and not to talk about some asteroids..

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posted December 07, 2016 10:05 PM            

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Originally posted by MahaKali:
Cause I'm talking about Synastry?

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posted December 07, 2016 10:36 PM            

Look at this composite aspect (mars = red, purple venus)

So apparently their mid points creates a "tensionous square"

Yes indeed I'm sure they would both feel a strong square between their aggressive/combatible side with the other person's harmonious luxurious self.

Easily obvious- because they are mid points squaring the other person's mid point, even though their planets- where the powerful metaphysical force is located- are actually making some angle more like an inconjunct, opposition, conjunction and what not, but their MID POINTS square, therefore, That is important. MID POINTS- THE MIDDLE OF WHERE THEIR VENUS'S ARE, IS IMPORTANT. VERY POWERFUL

Furthermore- ignore all other planets mid points that aren't the same, no useful information there, we only need planet-to-same-planet mid points, which is 1/5th of all planet mid points. But who cares, lets skip those ones.

"He-heeyy the center of our venus's is trining the spot that's located at the middle of our sun's. The middle of our suns, that spot in the middle. The spot in the middle of our venus's. Those are trining."

posted December 08, 2016 09:58 AM            

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posted December 08, 2016 10:14 PM            

But if two people have in synastry Mars trine Pluto and in Composite square, what's the point then, it makes difference, and astrologer (especially those who are focused on few bad aspects without analyzing whole synastry) can give two totally different interpretations.

I added some random birth date and compared with my Natal. For example -
My Sun is in Capricorn and in conjunction to Uranus and Neptune, square to Jupiter. Not to make it complicated, will focus only to Sun and its aspects, and I can be a bit arrogant, freedom lover, dreamy..

Sun of the random person is in Gemini, conjunct Venus, opposite Jupiter, square Moon and Pluto. He is probably arrogant, can't settle down, loves to flirt and free space, a bit selfish maybe..

Maybe there is some little similarity, when it comes to freedom but our energies are different still.

In Synastry we have Sun conjunct Jupiter, trine Venus, opposite Mercury, can misunderstood each other from time to time but also have some nice time together.

Now in Composite Sun opposite Mercury, square Moon and Neptune, trine Uranus and Jupiter. While we really respect each other need for free space and bla bla, can have different emotional needs, not realistic much.
I said I will focus only on Sun, but must add Moon here. While I have well aspected Moon in sensitive water sign, random guy has in air sign and has a lot of squares without any harmonious aspect, and he is plus Gemini.
In synastry we have Moon square SATURN and trine Mercury. In Composite Moon conjunct Neptune, sextile Pluto, trine Venus and SATURN, square Sun.

posted December 08, 2016 10:26 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
You need to work with asteroids, so that they prove themselves.

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posted December 08, 2016 10:40 PM            

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Originally posted by MahaKali:
Why some people pay much attention on asteroids, especially in Synastry? I mean, it's fun, can be interesting to dig deeper...

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posted December 09, 2016 01:20 AM            

As a 21-year student of astrology who has been doing readings for at least 17 of those years, I tend to agree with you. You gave some good basic reasons why asteroids should not be emphasized as essential to every natal reading.

Asteroids are interesting and can sometimes provide some added insight for self-identity when something seems truly missing (after a thoroughly good natal reading that includes declinations), but asteroids are not as important to solid astrology as planets are. I never use them in rectification and they have never been needed for it.

Planets correlate to the human chakra system. Asteroids do not. Planets generate inter-dimensional torsion fields and are stations of consciousness development between lives. Asteroids don't seem to be, although I'm not yet willing to say that this is a rule.

I am saying this even as someone who has Chiron parallel my Asc (within 1/2 degree). I began wanting to help people heal since around age 19, so Chiron's myth is something I relate to well. So it irks me when astrologers get Chiron wrong with false equations to "pain." Chiron was a healer. The fact that he had a mortal wound was a non-limiting secondary descriptor.

When more and more and more objects are added onto the chart we create a formula for superficiality in astrological interpretation. Soon there are enough objects on the chart to go fishing and find a basis to say anything under the guise of 'interpretation.' Then we're ignoring the real energies of the planets for side stories at best.

posted December 09, 2016 09:56 AM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Planets correlate to the human chakra system. Asteroids do not. Planets generate inter-dimensional torsion fields and are stations of consciousness development between lives.

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Well said!

I am saying this even as someone who has Chiron parallel my Asc (within 1/2 degree). I began wanting to help people heal since around age 19, so Chiron's myth is something I relate to well. So it irks me when astrologers get Chiron wrong with false equations to "pain." Chiron was a healer. The fact that he had a mortal wound was a non-limiting secondary descriptor.

Chiron is important. I forgot to add Chiron above where I added Ceres, Pallas, Vesta and Juno as asteroids I like to look at, even if I find Chiron the most important one. I agree with you, found a lot of articles on internet about Chiron as pain bringer, but he is actually great healer, that's what he was. So if in synastry he touches Venus, no it doesn't mean he will bring pain, but relationship can be based on two people healing each other's wounds from some past relationships or common things happened in their lives, as they understand each other in this area.

When more and more and more objects are added onto the chart we create a formula for superficiality in astrological interpretation. Soon there are enough objects on the chart to go fishing and find a basis to say anything under the guise of 'interpretation.' Then we're ignoring the real energies of the planets for side stories at best.

Totally agree with you, couldn't say it better. I think some people in lack of real understanding of astrology, seeks for more objects, and while they ruin the true nature of astrology and make it confusing for themselves, they actually start to believe in some asteroid placements and aspects.

posted December 09, 2016 10:27 AM            

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