posted December 10, 2016 01:46 PM            

For example, while in synastry there is very favorable aspects between Moon and Venus, in Composite can be opposite. Can show totally different view on relationship.

posted December 10, 2016 01:56 PM            

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Originally posted by MahaKali:
But how Composite chart work? I find myself a bit ignorant when it comes to Composite, haven't been into this chart before. And now I'm interested to see how and why Composite work.

For example, while in synastry there is very favorable aspects between Moon and Venus, in Composite can be opposite. Can show totally different view on relationship.

Davison find even more interesting, maybe also cause there is so little to read about them, actually there is not articles, just on forums, people opinion on it.

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This is my understanding of it: Synastry is how you react and interact with each other, while the Composite is the sum of your interactions, what you become when you are together.

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Through studying the composite chart of a relationship, we can gain important insights into the dynamics of a couple. The composite chart is the chart of the relationship itself (Cafe Astrology).

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So, let's say you have Mercury square Mars in synastry, which would mean some heated debates, but only nice Mercury aspects in the composite, like Mercury/Moon/Venus conjunction/trine/sextile, you could probably work out your instinct to fight (synastry reaction) more easily, because your relationship - you two together will overall have a peaceful dynamic.

Let's say that you have Mercury square Mars in synastry with two people, both will probably **** you off in different ways, but one you have nice Mercury/Mars aspects in Composite with, and the other is maybe further fueled by some Pluto/Saturn squares. So, I imagine that you and the first friend will work it out rather neatly after some initial sour comments, while the other one may blow completely out of proportion because you can't reach common ground.

posted December 10, 2016 02:08 PM            

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Originally posted by thingsgoneby:
Gosh, I am new to this, so don't listen to me too religiously.

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It's ok. At least, you have some explanation instead of me, and it makes some sense after all.

But Davison, damn, I really want to know more about this chart and you can't find much about them.

posted December 10, 2016 02:11 PM            

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Originally posted by MahaKali:
It's ok. At least, you have some explanation instead of me, and it makes some sense after all.

But Davison, damn, I really want to know more about this chart and you can't find much about them.

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posted December 11, 2016 03:31 AM            

A couple with an under aspected/technically peregrine Venus in composite has significant Venus aspects in the Davison. On some level they both feel difficulty expressing their love and appreciation for one another; it doesn't have avenues or outlets. But in their physical real time experience with one another, they are a close couple who share many loving and appreciative moments.

I'm referencing a real relationship of 4 years' duration there. Venus is highlighted in the composite chart by its very peregrination; it seeks outlets and finds them through experiential reality in the Davison chart.

In the composite we might have few Uranus aspects, but in the Davison we have one very harsh or pronounced one, say Uranus square angles or even Nodes of the Moon or Moon, and fewer Saturn contacts. Maybe the relationship feels really solid and is in fact; the couple have a close bond and in every way they feel committed to being there for one another... but external circumstances prevent a regular liaison.. That could be one example.

Consider a composite chart which has Jupiter in the 1st house, square Saturn, compared with a Davison chart with Jupiter right on the cusp of the 7th, but not square Saturn.... The relationship may identify as larger than life, it may feel to other people as though the two operate as a philosophical, ambitious, even over reaching/over compensating, indulgent pair. It may seem to be a relationship which vacillates wildly between extremes, now optimistic now pessimistic. And this is certainly a dynamic which operates on them in the way they energetically experience the relationship. They may also feel this way in relation to one another.

But as time progresses and the reality of what the relationship has actually borne in terms of fruit in the lives of the participants, it will be found that the relationship has taught and given them gifts and insight into the most beneficial and fruitful ways of relating to others in general. Jupiter being on the angle in the Davison indicates that the concrete and measurable, tangible and experiential effects of the relationship have been more Jupiter than Saturn oriented; a fact which is emphasized in both charts by the fact that Saturn is in Sagittarius, Jupiter's domicile.

We could have reached the same conclusion looking only at the composite by virtue of Jupiter's exaltation in Pisces and dispositorship of Saturn: that Jupiter's effects would win out on some level, and the relationship would have a note of generosity, beneficial energy and expansiveness. It might always operate as a larger than life entity, with the key component of focus in reality being on helping each partner grow in their ability to relate from a big heart (Jupiter/7th cusp), rather than merely identifying as larger than life, they relate intimately in a expansive philosophical mindset.

Over time, one can usually witness the Davison playing out, with the composite an important undertone or overtone. A Davison which is very strong vibes a higher likelihood of things really transpiring between two people, whereas the composite indicates a more subtle energetic level of the relationship which is no less real but somewhat less tangible.

posted December 11, 2016 07:59 AM            

Yun, what's your opinion on Davison Moon (1st house, Pisces) opposite Saturn? It's the tightest aspect (0.14). Well, anyone who's reading this is free to tell me what they think.

posted December 12, 2016 12:32 PM            

Venus-Mars conjunction in Davison speaks immediately to me of physical attraction (Mars, physical, Venus, attraction. It sounds too simple but it isn't, not really). Obviously there are other dimensions to a Mars/Venus conjunction, and while it usually indicates (natally, or otherwise) a significant attractiveness, a PHYSICAL attractiveness, the actual feelings of the native or the couple in relation to sex and physical union, romance and gender issues with this aspect are generally very complex. It brings that extreme attractiveness but as with the opposition or the square, we sometimes have Venus feeling over-pursued and Mars crashing the party, because of the relative power of Mars and the receptivity of Venus. Obviously Venus has great difficult resisting Mars and indeed rather likes the attention, and bestows it liberally on Mars. But a conjunction from Mars is rather a lot for her nature (a lot of the time), but eventually a balance is struck and the person or couple or whatever emerges as a well balanced and well rounded individual, who is equally able to give and take in relationship, and powerfully equipped to pursue and get that which they most like, and truly desire and love. It's quite a beautiful aspect. You've probably noticed that people with this conjunction are particularly attractive to almost everybody?

I know that wasn't Davison-specific. But looking at it specifically in the context of the Davison chart, we would have these issues playing out in real time, in the real world. There would be a chase, there would be a withdrawal, there would be intense attraction from both sides, with the more Venusian partner doing the receiving and the Martian partner doing the pursuing. But there would be significant invitations from the Venusian partner. And as a whole the relationship would have a glow and a palpable health and vitality and attractiveness to it, so that whenever the two are together the people around them take notice of the attractiveness and virility of the couple. If this couple were a person, everyone would want a piece of that! But this can get lonely because Venus/Mars also sometimes elicits the feeling that the couple/person is "too good" for them, for anyone, and actually they form fewer close friendships because people keep their distance from the sheer force of magnetism of the person.. ironically. This isn't always the case.

posted December 12, 2016 12:48 PM            

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Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia:
Welcome back, Ceri

Yun, what's your opinion on Davison Moon (1st house, Pisces) opposite Saturn? It's the tightest aspect (0.14). Well, anyone who's reading this is free to tell me what they think.

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That's a really interesting aspect to see in a Davison chart, and honestly to understand it well I would want to see the whole thing. Usually aspects will explain themselves better in the context of the whole, because once you start weaving in and out and understanding the various dynamics at play you can understand better why such an opposition might form. Especially the natal charts would give us clues about that.

Any opposition forming in the composite or Davison between the 1st and 7th houses, though, indicates that the relationship as an entity is an important one for the participants. Especially with the Moon in the 1st house, which is implies particularly subjective, sensitive, and impressionable relationship. Not one where the people involved are primarily known for keeping their heads and being logical. This is more like a dream-scape than a relationship. It always helps to remember that before the outer planets were discovered, the Moon was basically Neptune, Pluto, and a little Uranus even, all rolled into one. She is the underbelly and the power of the night, the dream world, and the somatic experience of consciousness. She is always changing. So is the identity of the relationship.

We have Saturn in the 7th balancing this though, right? An attempt to pin down exactly what is going on here, and define the terms of the relationship in a concrete way. This opposition could lead to a profound distancing on account of the strength of feelings elicited and the difficulty in knowing exactly how to categorize them... it could also lead eventually to a profound conciliation of energies which balance realism and practicality with the essentially dreamy and impressionable emotional reality of the relationship.

Saturn in Virgo in the 7th could be a very good position for a long term relationship, but Saturn is never without its lessons and challenges, and it often takes a long time to flower and mature. Any aspect between Saturn and the Moon is an archetypal one with a good deal of strength, due to the correlation with Cancer/Capricorn and the 10th/4th house cusps. For this reason I wouldn't be surprised if the two shared some kind of significant family history, or felt particularly attuned to one another in some way which relates to the inner/outer lives. It's interesting that it is an opposition, since this is a fairly natural way for the Moon and Saturn to be, given their sign rulership, you know? It doesn't have the same kind of caution attached to it as, say, a Venus-Saturn opposition would have.

The relationship with a Moon-Saturn opposition in the 1st/7th in Davison, in short, is going to have to deal with themes of how their feelings and their responsibilities and limitations can work in tandem, honouring the way that the identity of the relationship can be benefited by a hard nosed appraisal of the reality of the contract. The two would likely have a strong need to define in no uncertain terms what it is they mean to one another, but this very thing is one of the most difficult for them to do.. because it's Saturn. Yet this is exactly what must happen. Becoming comfortable with discernment, and at ease with strong emotions is important. Saturn's polarity point contains a refuge and a balance for Saturn energies in general, and I think overall this aspect could be worked with creatively to good effect.

posted December 12, 2016 01:15 PM            

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Originally posted by MahaKali:
Yungang, thank you for this explanation! I will now have some fun with this.

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posted December 12, 2016 02:00 PM            

Thank you everyone and a special Thank You to yungang_grotto for enlightening us. It is nearly impossible to find good information on the Davidson chart.

posted December 12, 2016 02:08 PM              

the Venus-Mars-conjunction is in Taurus in 3rd house, so Venus is in domicile.
Venus rules the IC in Taurus and also 9th house in Libra and disposits the LIbra-North Node.
Mars of course rules the 3rd house.

However this conjunction is part of a stressful T-square

Mars 9 Taurus
Venus 11 Taurus

Uranus 8 Scorpio in 9th as ruler of 1st house (i)

Saturn 13 Leo in 7th, as chartruler
Vesta 11 Leo in 7th

Additionally, it is the apex of a Yod with

Neptune on 14 Sag in 11th as ruler of 2nd

Pluto on 11 Libra in 8th as ruler of MC

And Venus on 11 Taurus is

trine ASC on 13 Cap
trine Psyche on 10 Virgo on the 8th house cusp

posted December 12, 2016 02:31 PM            

Don't believe any answer will come.

posted December 20, 2018 08:39 AM            

E.g. Mars square Saturn and oppose Uranus in Composite showing instability, but in Davison Uranus sextile Mars + Saturn sextile Pluto which seems positive.