posted December 24, 2016 09:45 PM            

Does this look good to you? Or bad? Lasting or not lasting? Meaningful or not?

I'll explain later. Thanks for any replies.

posted December 25, 2016 08:31 AM            

When I see Saturn in the 3rd, boring conversations come to my mind, especially if we accept the potential trine to Mercury. Questioning each other's intelligence/common sense is an option too. Mars there exactly squared by Uranus makes me think of dumb random quarrels. It looks very impulsive to me and the Sun-Mars square probably contributes even if it's not tight. Saturn square Chiron, ouch. I think they may have talent for triggerring each other's buried insecurities/old wounds (which could be related to their mothers or other relatives) with words. The feeling of rejection in particular.

Uranus and Pluto in the 6th...if they're not both involved in alternative medicine/medical research then I'm afraid their conflicts often revolve around housework/fitness routine/diet/pets/shared projects. It would be a tale of power plays (Pluto) and showing middle fingers (Uranus). Alternatively, these planets could reflect frequent/unexpected changes of residence.

Sun conjunct Descendant indicates that the parties involved are strongly affected by the relationship but I'm afraid Uranus in the neighbourhood won't help maintain it. Uranus' house position makes me suspect their job obligations would get in the way.

I can understand the attraction (whatever kind it is) when I see their Venus-Pluto, Venus-Jupiter, Mars-Jupiter, Venus-Neptune, Venus in the 5th and Moon in the 8th but judging by the composite alone, I don't see it last very long and it's not just their hard Uranus aspects. Saturn is hardly conjunct Mars and that's it, meh. 2 planets are lonely, the chart is scattered. If you're trolling us and it's about relatives, then my condolences for them

posted December 25, 2016 08:52 AM            

8th house Neptune & Moon. I love this placement if moon were not receiving that quincunx from Saturn, which makes always the emotional flow difficult. the people involved are always self-editing emotional expression. it is just odd. no matter how close the bond is, the emotional expression is not fluid. The fact that Saturn is in 3rd just makes things worst as communication can be blocked specially when they are angry (mars in 3rd)

Mars-Uranus square: this aspect suggest wild spontaneous sexual enconters. sometimes even before people know each other well. the fact that Uranus is making a conjunction to sun and seven house cusp makes this relationship very Uranian. actually this relationship seems to be fulfilled when left free to bee without strings attached. the freer, the better. depending on how Uranus fall into each individual chart, this may be upsetting for one or both person, but the relationship is not stable.

sun in 7 cusp suggest that the purpose of this relationship is to make it of equals when both persons feel fulfilled. if one feel used, then it will self-destroyed. however, pluto-venus conjunction in 6h cusp makes this a challenge. There will be times when one or both at different times will feel used by the other. and this will trigger all the games we know about venus-pluto relationship. no need to go into details here.

moon trine chiron could be a blessing if that trine would not be square (to chiron) and quincunx (to moon) by Saturn. I see the potential for emotional nakedness reinforced by Neptune & moon in 8th. but this will be a difficult process due to the Saturn presence, which will make it challenging the emotional expression. I do not know how to go around this challenge. probably, accepting that both situations will be there. the walls and the opening up. wounding will be unavoidable.

mercury un.aspected, mars-Saturn n 3rd. does not look as the most communicative-assertive relationship.

mars-Jupiter trine without any affliction from Neptune to mars-venus-mercury, suggest this relationship is an honest one.

overall I see
*sexual intensity with all the plutonian & uranian layers
*emotional connection with strong compassion for one another and commitment for each other wellbeing but with walls in the *emotional expression
*blocked communication or angry one, never open one..
*honesty

posted December 25, 2016 09:33 AM            

Your replies are therapeutic.

posted December 25, 2016 11:41 AM            

You already give back Your insights are great, and you make everything fun when you come around. Thank you!

posted December 26, 2016 12:53 AM            

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Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia:
Unaspected Moon...If these people want to be emotionally close/closer, I hope both Moons are aspected synastrically, that there is a connection to Sun/Venus/Jupiter and there's no Moon-Moon opposition or square. Their quincunx doesn't console me, especially since it's Saturn. They better have nice Mercury action in their synastry too.

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No, not emotionally close! Or not close enough, always a serious wall.

Moon opp moon, Mercury opp Mercury. Good enough to hold things together, but the composite moon-Saturn is a better picture of what it felt like.

In the best of times, it was like being together with someone else who appreciates being alone in their head as much as you do. Once in a while there was also some realness, just enough to make me think it was possible for us to change in that direction.

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Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia:
When I see Saturn in the 3rd, boring conversations come to my mind...

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LOL, yes, plenty of those. Some interesting ones too, though. He was open to all my crazy New Age ideas.

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Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia:
Questioning each other's intelligence/common sense is an option too.

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Yes

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Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia:
Mars there exactly squared by Uranus makes me think of dumb random quarrels. It looks very impulsive to me and the Sun-Mars square probably contributes even if it's not tight.

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Exactly.

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Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia:
Saturn square Chiron, ouch. I think they may have talent for triggerring each other's buried insecurities/old wounds (which could be related to their mothers or other relatives) with words. The feeling of rejection in particular.

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I never even noticed that Saturn square Chiron. Well he upset me all along with what he said, and I'm sure I upset him right back, but with Ceres conjunct Chiron, there was also this gratifying feeling like we were training each other how to be more respectful and careful. Both of us would admit defeat at certain times.

You know what I liked about him was, he was honest. If he didn't like something he said it. If he liked it, he meant it. It just hurt a lot, because there was plenty about me he didn't like, yet he insisted on keeping the relationship going.

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Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia:
Uranus and Pluto in the 6th...if they're not both involved in alternative medicine/medical research then I'm afraid their conflicts often revolve around housework/fitness routine/diet/pets/shared projects."

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LOL, yes! He's a Virgo moon and Mars so definitely. And he had lots of pets. Clean pets. Especially the fish, they were clean.

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Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia:
Sun conjunct Descendant indicates that the parties involved are strongly affected by the relationship but I'm afraid Uranus in the neighbourhood won't help maintain it. Uranus' house position makes me suspect their job obligations would get in the way.

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The angles are approximate, but I can believe sun-DSC because something was holding us together against all odds and against all reason. That sun conjunct my Uranus.

I don't know what got in the way except emotional distance and the fact that I was depressed feeling like I was going to have to marry him. Composite Juno t-squares my moon and my Juno. I didn't want that.

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Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia:
I can understand the attraction (whatever kind it is)

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That just sums up my whole life story for four years!

"attraction (whatever kind it is)"

I myself didn't know.

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Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia:
....when I see their Venus-Pluto, Venus-Jupiter, Mars-Jupiter, Venus-Neptune, Venus in the 5th and Moon in the 8th but judging by the composite alone, I don't see it last very long and it's not just their hard Uranus aspects. Saturn is hardly conjunct Mars and that's it, meh. 2 planets are lonely, the chart is scattered. If you're trolling us and it's about relatives, then my condolences for them

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Yup, all so true. And it was so hard trying to convince him that we were not a great couple, when he seemed to believe so strongly that we were. Then I felt guilty for not being able to believe in it like he did.

But the composite is really not great, is it? So I have objective proof, I was right, it wasn't great. And you were SO accurate about the major problems.

posted December 26, 2016 01:15 AM            

You are perfectly correct about the emotional walls. I think we made each other emotional, but the conversations seemed to go off in a whole other direction, so the words and feelings just didn't blend right.

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Originally posted by nordicsoul:
Mars-Uranus square: this aspect suggest wild spontaneous sexual enconters. sometimes even before people know each other well.

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Yes. I wasn't that type of person but I don't know. We had issues there. I was probably giving mixed signals because I was really attracted to him physically but still trying to end it.

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Originally posted by nordicsoul:
however, pluto-venus conjunction in 6h cusp makes this a challenge. There will be times when one or both at different times will feel used by the other. and this will trigger all the games we know about venus-pluto relationship.

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I wonder if he felt that I used him. I think he didn't care one way or the other, he just wanted me there.

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Originally posted by nordicsoul:
wounding will be unavoidable.

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Yeah, I'm still bothered by this many years afterwards. That I could give SO MUCH effort, and so much of my life, to a situation that seemed hopeless to me right from the beginning.

It's embarrassing to talk about because it's confusing. Most people can just break up when it doesn't feel right. This one I couldn't leave. And as a Sag Venus I was usually very "good" at leaving.

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Originally posted by nordicsoul:
mars-Jupiter trine without any affliction from Neptune to mars-venus-mercury, suggest this relationship is an honest one.

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Yes, it was honest. +1, at least we had that. I tried not to deceive him and I felt like he tried not to deceive me, even admitting things that he knew I would be upset about.

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Originally posted by nordicsoul:
overall I see
*sexual intensity with all the plutonian & uranian layers
*emotional connection with strong compassion for one another and commitment for each other wellbeing but with walls in the *emotional expression
*blocked communication or angry one, never open one..
*honesty

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All true exactly.

posted December 26, 2016 09:10 AM            

I am late to the party, but well, what I noticed at first was that it looks so relatively disconnected, like there is only very little connection overall.

SEcondly I did notice the phytagorean triangle of Mars in 3rd, Jupiter in 11th and Uranus on the DESC.

I thought this looked pronounced esp. since it happens on the 00 degrees of the signs. Almost like through being together, something new was starting for the two of you, amybe a new mindset developing from being together I don`t know.

However, it does look a bit zany and restless to me, a lot of energy,e xpansive energy and maybe also crazines, but the pythagorean triangles can be a little, well not unstable per se, but lopsided, due to their assymetry.

Jupiter in 11th an dMars in 3rd along with Uranus, makes me also think of a friendship-vibe or at least a lot of energy could flow into that direction, maybe make you evolve further as a couple in the sense of social activities and communication (which can happen in a relationship as well of course); Uranus on DESC is angular and therefore pulling this whole triangle into the foreground.

Looks exciting to me, and with Uranus-Mars with alot of sexual attraction, but up-and-down-kind, here today gone tomorrow back again the day after that sometimes, and despite the hot sexual attraction, Mars-Uranus is often strangely impersonal, it lacks the emotional aspect of MOon or the romance of Venus.

Now you certainly did have the romantic sexual compulsion with Venus-Pluto-conjunction, and with sextile to Neptune, there was possibly a lot of idealization attached to it. Im ean there was a reason you formed a couple!

Then there was Sun, angular on DESC - pretty important, yes, commanding attention, and widely conjunct Uranus, more attraction, zany, unpredictable, sudden, surprising. Does not look very stable though.

Anyway I wonder though, you said he was thinking you were a great couple, did he have nice overlays with the composite maybe, and you didnīt?

posted December 26, 2016 01:46 PM            

mars square to Uranus gives intense physical attraction but is a indicator of a brief romance at best.
with Saturn square to chiron does not usually make for flexibility and compromises a relationship needs.

venus/pluto conjunct and sextile to Neptune can give a very healing love.the Saturn/moon midpoint is conjunct to pluto and opposed to psyche so there could be some emotional bonding over the concepts of healing, it seems to be a very spiritual connection.
often pluto and venus arrive at non sexual interactions.

posted December 26, 2016 10:05 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Almost like through being together, something new was starting for the two of you, amybe a new mindset developing from being together I don`t know.

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I can see that for both of us. We sorta forced each other to grow up: he insisted that I have more common sense & practical skills, and I insisted on emotional intelligence. It's funny, even his mother was thanking me for not putting up with any BS from him.

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Jupiter in 11th an dMars in 3rd along with Uranus, makes me also think of a friendship-vibe or at least a lot of energy could flow into that direction, maybe make you evolve further as a couple in the sense of social activities and communication (which can happen in a relationship as well of course); Uranus on DESC is angular and therefore pulling this whole triangle into the foreground.

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Jupiter in the 11th on the Pisces-Aries cusp, and we were forever at parties, or he was hosting parties at his apartment, and there was "substance abuse" at these parties, usually (Pisces). But anyway I was surprised that some people saw us as this "socialite" kind of couple; I only realized that after people said it to me, and his parties also got bigger and bigger (Leo stellium). But I never fit in.

This assumes my birth time is right and I remember his correctly.

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Looks exciting to me, and with Uranus-Mars with alot of sexual attraction, but up-and-down-kind, here today gone tomorrow back again the day after that sometimes, and despite the hot sexual attraction, Mars-Uranus is often strangely impersonal, it lacks the emotional aspect of MOon or the romance of Venus."

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True. We did a lot of exciting things, travelling lots of places and having a good time...but there was the "impersonal" element. Uh huh.

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Now you certainly did have the romantic sexual compulsion with Venus-Pluto-conjunction, and with sextile to Neptune, there was possibly a lot of idealization attached to it. Im ean there was a reason you formed a couple!

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What's crazy is, our Venus-Pluto composite conjunction is right on top of my Venus-Pluto conjunction in my heliocentric chart. THAT feels fated somehow.

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Anyway I wonder though, you said he was thinking you were a great couple, did he have nice overlays with the composite maybe, and you didnīt?

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I'm more hooked into the composite, maybe that's why I couldn't leave.

The composite moon is on my Vertex if my birth time is right.

And you see how my Saturn at 0° Leo is at the base of that Pythagorean Triangle.

And we have this synastry:

6° Leo, his Venus
6° Sag, his Neptune
6° Sag, my Venus
3° Sag, comp NN

Well it was interesting in many ways but didn't affect my heart enough, so yes, it was a decent friendship or 'friends with benefits" if that trend existed back then, but we were too distant from each other to be a good couple.

posted December 26, 2016 10:10 PM            

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Originally posted by todd:
hi faith

mars square to Uranus gives intense physical attraction but is a indicator of a brief romance at best.
with Saturn square to chiron does not usually make for flexibility and compromises a relationship needs.

venus/pluto conjunct and sextile to Neptune can give a very healing love.the Saturn/moon midpoint is conjunct to pluto and opposed to psyche so there could be some emotional bonding over the concepts of healing, it seems to be a very spiritual connection.
often pluto and venus arrive at non sexual interactions.

todd

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Thank you todd!

It wasn't brief, but we broke up a few times for months at a time.

True, we could have used more compromise. I felt like he was the one with all these demands.

Healing love, I don't know. Maybe I would have ended up worse if I didn't know him. No way of telling.

Spiritual connection, I'd say YES, oddly enough. Sometimes so spiritual I couldn't feel it, it was just something that made the time together more interesting. Once in a long while the veils came down a little. But the overall mood of the relationship didn't allow for extended vision; always hiding on some level.

posted December 26, 2016 10:15 PM            

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Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia:
I'm glad I could help. And I'm even more glad that you didn't marry the guy. I hope eventualy this stops bothering you.

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Thanks Bothers me to be a Pisces moon square Neptune I think....looking back over my life and going

posted December 31, 2016 04:25 PM            

as per the composite some more comments

1. maybe the fact that your uranus was trigered by the composite sun that made you feel more the uranian side and actually, you become the uranian force. I suspect you were the one ending and becoming erratic in the relationship

2. I am not surprised that you last that long in that relationship. the moon-chiron resonates nicely with your moon in piscis square neptune. that side of the relatioship must have been sweet or maybe with the saturne on it bitter-sweet? does the composite moon or chiron make any aspect to your natal?

happy new year!

posted January 26, 2017 11:46 AM            

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Originally posted by nordicsoul:
Thanks Faith for the appreciation!

as per the composite some more comments

1. maybe the fact that your uranus was trigered by the composite sun that made you feel more the uranian side and actually, you become the uranian force. I suspect you were the one ending and becoming erratic in the relationship

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Yes, true, bravo for deducing that.

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Originally posted by nordicsoul:
2. I am not surprised that you last that long in that relationship. the moon-chiron resonates nicely with your moon in piscis square neptune. that side of the relatioship must have been sweet or maybe with the saturne on it bitter-sweet? does the composite moon or chiron make any aspect to your natal?

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Composite moon on my Vertex if chart is right, Chiron on my Chiron. He did help, fix, heal, make some things better...the main emotional sticking point was, I resented him from the beginning for how certain things happened in the beginning, and could never get over it. On the other hand, he was attractive, popular, sought-out, graceful, generous, and obsessed with me (or just an obsessive personality type; I don't mean to flatter myself but he would NOT let go). And when I broke up with him he went into a serious depression, and I felt responsible for keeping him emotionally afloat.

It was difficult but we had some good times.

Weirdest thing is the contrast between how I hold him in my mind and how I know I'd react if I saw him again (???)

In my mind: mostly ambivalent, slightly negative feeling towards him

If I saw him again in person: desire to hug him and get into a good, deep conversation

posted January 26, 2017 11:53 AM            

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Originally posted by Elysia:
Oh wow..
People have already analyzed it all pretty well..

Just wanted to add that in my experience too - Moon-Saturn harsh aspects in the composite usually make the female partner (or the one who plays out the lunar side more) feel emotionally unfulfilled or unable to express emotional needs. Yeah, there's a wall, or a self-consciousness in the emotional expression. The feelings are there, but you choke up while trying to tell each other.

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Good to keep in mind....but in my case, the feelings mostly weren't there. In the very end, last conversation, I said, "Honestly I think what's held us together all these years is, you know I'm cold-hearted, and you just want what you cannot have."

He said "I think you might be right."

posted January 26, 2017 11:56 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Thanks for the feedback, Faith.

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You are just so welcome, Ceri!

posted January 26, 2017 09:07 PM            

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Originally posted by todd:
hi faith

mars square to Uranus gives intense physical attraction but is a indicator of a brief romance at best.
with Saturn square to chiron does not usually make for flexibility and compromises a relationship needs.

venus/pluto conjunct and sextile to Neptune can give a very healing love.the Saturn/moon midpoint is conjunct to pluto and opposed to psyche so there could be some emotional bonding over the concepts of healing, it seems to be a very spiritual connection.
often pluto and venus arrive at non sexual interactions.

todd

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