posted January 01, 2017 03:07 PM            

Yes. I know there are other threads similar to this one, but I've never got a clear understanding of who's affected and how with these synastries.

posted January 01, 2017 04:09 PM            

Umm, I've had the following aspects:

Sun sq Mars:
As the Sun person: I felt Mars was sometimes being unreasonably "touchy" and jealous/competitive. Even if I tip-toed around their stuff. (Not with all such Marses ofc, but one or two colleagues - negative aspects overplayed since we weren't friends to begin with). They would throw the first punch, or ten. And then I'd be forced to take a stand. Very unpleasant business.
As the Mars person: The Sun person thought I was out to sabotage them. Things that I did naturally, i.e. which was my default mode of doing things - was something they would always try to "block"..if that makes sense.

Mercury sq Mars:
As mercury: Umm, they seem kinda reckless and selfish in their actions. And I get the urge to tell them off pretty harshly (often do).
-- Not been Mars in this case, at least not as far as I recall.

Mercury sq Mercury: (It's not with luminaries, but is highlighted when you have extended contact with somebody).
I have this with my best friend! And boy, can we fight. Square in fixed signs, so looong cold wars. Which break into one of those endless fights. But also, the square supplies the will to come back and work things out. Even if it makes us pull our hair out. Also, squared signs in general have a lot of respect for each other - when they meet each other, they feel they've "met their match" in battle.

posted January 01, 2017 06:11 PM            

I just realized with horror that my controlling, busy-body in-law has their Mars and Saturn conjunction at the same degrees that my newest little guy does (square my Sun and Moon), and I was like "Oh God, no..."

I'm sure that my son and I won't feel that way about each other, but even the person's Venus/Mercury conjunct my Sun doesn't smooth over whatever the issue is.

They are Mars/Saturn, and I am Sun/Moon. I feel like the person is pushy, intrusive, and up in everyone's...erm..."stuff". Like quietly creating drama for my other family members.

So I avoid them like the plague. But I'm not the only person to notice as much, so...I dunno. I'm still looking for something in her chart that points to the way she is. But...eh.

But yeah, not just luminaries, whatever planets come to mind!

I don't feel that she's touchy, but I am often suspicious of her, and annoyed by her borderline rude refusal to take a hint.

But I am really interested in all stories pertaining to hard aspects from Mercury OR Mars to ANY personal planets, or even outers.

posted January 01, 2017 06:24 PM            

And I'm over here like...

posted January 01, 2017 10:13 PM            

I think it's as simple as... Mercury gets the Mars vibe, if you know what I mean, and has to process all the force of the other person's aggression and drive and energy and physicality through their conscious mental channels. This can produce a great deal of tension for the Mercury individual... Mercury can be very sensitive, really.

Mars gets the Mercury vibe from Mercury, and this can be irritating to Mars and exacerbate their Martian energy, but they are perhaps less ruffled and without as much interest in seeking to understand, they will simply act on their impressions of Mercury's viewpoints in an immediate instinctive way. It does not mean Mars isn't affected, it's just that they keep DOING stuff. This is what causes the tension; these two produce an energy which is difficult to stop. It's hard to take a break from fights when Mars and Mercury are in aspect..

Whatever Mercury or any planet brings out in Mars, it is Mars' natural energy and drive which will come through... their personal chart starts to speak through its Martian nature, and Mercury gets to know them through their actions. Same goes both ways; whatever Mars brings out in Mercury is already part of Mercury's character.

posted January 02, 2017 06:14 AM            

I completely agree with that.

We react with what is triggered in our chart (unless we start to project something, but then it is still easy to see for other people we are in our Mars Mode or mercury mode etc.)

My Mars is actually conjunct P`s Mercury. Not many people can make me react that INSTANTLY. Either I switch it off (which I probably can do only because it is in 12th house and Neptune is part of it as well) or if not, then the reaction comes promptly, and not really thought through most of the times. lol

On the other hand fact is he reacts most positively when my response is a genuinely spontaneous one, it`s like he can sense if I have taken too much time to think about it, and in our case that is not always a good thing.

On the other hand now and then it seemed like he was almost forcibly biting his tongue around me, as if he was on the verge of saying something he actually did not want to or should not say at that point in that situation, which I usually notice still (Neptune is my 3rd house ruler) and sometimes pointed it out to him, that he was avoiding something and employing distraction-methods in a chat (usually not us alone but with several people around). Well this happened a few times, and sometimes it is received well and with humour as it is meant, sometimes an explosion of words (even a delayed one) erupts, which leaves me a bit confused cause I did not "mean it like that", but he can be quite sensitive to what I say sometimes, even though basically we are just two Sag-Mercuries making fun.

Of course Mercury rules his 3rd house and 4th house and 7th house; Mars rules my 4th house and Neptune rules my 3rd house.

his Mercury is sitting in my 1st house on my ASC (along with Neptune, Mars and NN).

my Mars is at the end of his 8th house (though his Mercury is already at the 9th house cusp).

If nothing else, it is interesting to participate in that sometimes. lol

Well his own Mars-Jupiter is squaring my Neptune-NN-ASC (though the square to Mars is widish, 5-6 degrees). But I guess it does figure in, just like my Jupiter-Ceres on his Eros and my name in his chart, opposing his Mars-Jupiter-his name-Amor and squaring his Mercury on my Mars-Neptune-NN-ASC probably figures into that configuration as well.

Interestingly our first meeting charts ASC was on 9 Sagittarius, exactly conj. his Mercury and My Neptune-NN, and also conjunct the midpoint of both our names in HIS chart.
(our composite Jupiter is on 10 Gemini, opposing this - as I said it is mostly really energizing and fun, even though sometimes the fun cuts a little deeper than anticipated, and I guess with my Mars in his 8th house, for him, too).

posted January 02, 2017 09:34 AM            

I think I mentioned in another thread that my husband's Mars is conjunct my Mercury/Dsc (as is his NN).

I'll have to take into consideration what you're saying here, Ceridwen. It sounds fairly familiar on some levels, but then my Mercury is also opposite his Sun, and his Mercury is opposite mine (hahaha, I just now realized we have that double-whammy). So sparks do tend to fly, and misunderstandings/interruptions tend to happen.

posted January 03, 2017 06:30 AM            

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Originally posted by Violets:

But it's interesting that you've noted that the Mercury person is more sensitive to the words of the other person, or misunderstands (If I'm understanding you correctly).

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Yes, that surely sounds very sparkly! I mean your DW with your husband.

Interestingly MY Mercury (and Sun) is conjunct P`s Sun-Moon-MC-(Liebe ). So we do have a Mercury-Sun as well, though not a DW

Actually we do have a Mercury-ASC-DW, as while his Mercury is CONJUNCT my ASC, my MErcury SQUARES his (but then his own Sun-Moon do square his ASC as well).

Interestingly Mercury is the DESC-ruler for each of us (though for me it also rules intercepted 9th house, for him it also rules his IC and 3rd house).

Yes, misunderstandings, yes I guess that`s right. While there seems to be a strong nonverbal understanding, sometimes words are lacking, or rather a lack of word or the right words make things difficult.
You know the things you donīt say, but maybe should.

We also both have that habit - I think at least- to use words and humour as defense and hiding our true feelings, sometimes at least, though at other times, some things just slip beneath our defenses. lol

posted January 03, 2017 07:02 AM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
Ceri,

Makes sense to me that you two have the conjunction, with the impressions I've gotten of your interactions this seems like a pretty major factor actually! And he has it natally, with Neptune, on his ascendant... yes. Of course! So it's like a double whammy for him almost, and he is just biting at the bit so to speak. Your Mars at the end of his 8th makes a deal of sense too, as Faith was saying in another thread it's like you two are 'far along' in some process..

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Actually it is me with Mars-ASC-Neptune-NN-conjunction and he is putting his Mercury on all of that. (He`s got a PIsces ASC though).

And in which thread was Faith talking about us? I`d like to read it myself.

Well "far" is maybe a bit of an exaggeration, but yes when I attended that workshop of him 2 weeks ago, we`ve had a "moment". (well there were several moments. lol After all we spent all day with each other ) But in particular the one moment before saying goodbye comes to mind.

Not really a Mercury-Mars-moment though.

He was playing a song - just instrumental - on the piano, and I took that step closer and asked him what it was. He admitted slightly embarassed that it was one of his own songs, and started singing it to me. I mean there were others around, but he was clearly singing it for or to me. though I did not get all of the words (the singing was too quiet and the playing too loud, almost as if he wnated only me to understand parts of the lyrics, but not the others that were standing to the sides).

It was a very melancholic emotional song, and it was the last line that in particular stuck with me, cause he was looking so directly into my eyes, when singing it, and both sets of eyes looked and felt suspiciously wet. well the line being "Butterflies don`t cry".
Which was sort of ironical cause we both nearly did! Well eyes were swimming, but it`s not like either of us broke down sobbing. Still it felt seriously intense and emotional. And a few minutes later (after we had gotten into a more casual chatting again, including the others as well, though the air of bubbling intensity was still there, at least I felt like it), when I told him we had to leave early and couldnīt stay, he jolted up and hugged me (and then hugged my aquaintance, too). And of course it was just a light hug, but it was pretty surprising.

Actually my aquaintance couldnīt get over it at all, she was always repeating on our way back to the car: "What was that? Since when is P that cuddly?"

posted January 03, 2017 11:57 AM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:

Mars gets the Mercury vibe from Mercury, and this can be irritating to Mars and exacerbate their Martian energy, but they are perhaps less ruffled and without as much interest in seeking to understand, they will simply act on their impressions of Mercury's viewpoints in an immediate instinctive way. It does not mean Mars isn't affected, it's just that they keep DOING stuff. This is what causes the tension; these two produce an energy which is difficult to stop. It's hard to take a break from fights when Mars and Mercury are in aspect..

Whatever Mercury or any planet brings out in Mars, it is Mars' natural energy and drive which will come through... their personal chart starts to speak through its Martian nature, and Mercury gets to know them through their actions. Same goes both ways; whatever Mars brings out in Mercury is already part of Mercury's character.

Mercury feels profoundly ruffled by Mars in a hard contact in synastry.. they think that they can talk reason to Mars, but with the square (especially in fixed signs), this can be all but impossible because Mars is constantly responding... well not responding.. reacting, and this can be particularly abrasive. Mercury isn't always aware of how their worldview and way of communicating is tripping Mars' triggers, but they usually have more control over the content of that which is being discussed. Sometimes it still doesn't get through to Mars and they are at an impasse which is really frustrating. Sometimes it does and they have a powerful energy for effecting real change in the world together.

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