posted March 14, 2017 11:17 PM            

Your Uranus on his DSC can definitely explain why he was so attracted to you at a time of coming out of a committed relationship, 7th house stuff. But as we know, Uranus is a destabilizer. Commitment and oscillation of feelings towards the other is an issue with this synastry conjunction between the two people. This is evident by how things are unfolding, with sudden new information coming to light (Uranus) that affects the capability for partnership (7th house). That is this aspect in a nutshell. This can manifest as well in a coupling where a lot of space and independence is required but we can't interpret aspects in a vacuum here. Because of the separation of a prior committed relationship you are more likely to present yourself as a lightning strike exit door for him, which seems like a role you don't want to play, understandably!

And, your personal planets in his 12th house inching towards the ascendant are likely to be magnetizing for him, as I said in my previous post, because planets in conjunction to the ASC on the 12th house side enjoy the full benefits of an Ascendant conjunction but also channel through Neptunian waves of the 12th house, which can make those planets feel more dreamy for the ASC person than if the planets were in 1st, which brings that conjunction to the surface instead. The mood lighting of the 12th is far sexier initially. But the 12th house is the house of affairs and secret liaisons. This overlaps with your own 12th house so you may not be as conscious of it since this is already an energy you've natally channeled. You probably want to avoid relationships where you play an "other woman" type of role due to your Sun in natal 12th. I think you're making the right decision here.

posted March 14, 2017 11:40 PM            

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Originally posted by wal2:
Okay, if he's married you probably want to steer clear. Sounds like you're already on that page which is good!

Your Uranus on his DSC can definitely explain why he was so attracted to you at a time of coming out of a committed relationship, 7th house stuff. But as we know, Uranus is a destabilizer. Commitment and oscillation of feelings towards the other is an issue with this synastry conjunction between the two people. This is evident by how things are unfolding, with sudden new information coming to light (Uranus) that affects the capability for partnership (7th house). That is this aspect in a nutshell. This can manifest as well in a coupling where a lot of space and independence is required but we can't interpret aspects in a vacuum here. Because of the separation of a prior committed relationship you are more likely to present yourself as a lightning strike exit door for him, which seems like a role you don't want to play, understandably!

And, your personal planets in his 12th house inching towards the ascendant are likely to be magnetizing for him, as I said in my previous post, because planets in conjunction to the ASC on the 12th house side enjoy the full benefits of an Ascendant conjunction but also channel through Neptunian waves of the 12th house, which can make those planets feel more dreamy for the ASC person than if the planets were in 1st, which brings that conjunction to the surface instead. The mood lighting of the 12th is far sexier initially. But the 12th house is the house of affairs and secret liaisons. This overlaps with your own 12th house so you may not be as conscious of it since this is already an energy you've natally channeled. You probably want to avoid relationships where you play an "other woman" type of role due to your Sun in natal 12th. I think you're making the right decision here.

Your synastry is not bad, as I stand by my original post, but due to timing, transits, and progressions sometimes certain elements dominate over another. Good to keep the future open on this one Good luck!

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Thank you again! Yes thank goodness for my Sun In Taurus to ground that Pisces moon of mine! I do get very dreamy and neptunian about potential partners...however, "facts" will always snap me out of fantasy land (the fact that he's legally married even though they live separately.) I want NO part of that..but it's nice for my ego how I can literally FEEL his attraction towards me. It's so palpable that other people have commented on it! I always play dumb "huh? He likes me "? LOL At any rate- it's always good for me to learn the synastry to see where the "sparks" come from (or lack of)....

Hey would you mind if I showed you one more? LOL This was a past connection that has come back around....was wondering what you see here....feel free to ignore as well! But I would LOVE your insight as this seems more promising...no baggage lol

He's on the outside, I'm on the inside

posted March 15, 2017 08:21 AM            

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Originally posted by wal2:
Sure, I don't mind having a look. But, did the Ascendant information change? In the last chart the Taurus sun individual had an ASC of 9 degrees in Gemini, but in the new chart that is the ASC of the other person instead.

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Oh Thanks! I had my TOB off by an hour!
I AM a Taurus Sun , Gemini ASC- here's the revised chart...thanks so much!

posted March 15, 2017 09:26 AM            

The planets where we want the most harmonious reception in synastry is the Sun, Moon, and ASC/DSC. Most people do not care about sign compatibility these days but for me it still means a lot to have a compatible sun sign. The Suns are in compatible earth signs which is good. The moons are in sextile signs which is good.

Now, I'm really surprised to see so much Sun/moon reciprocity here. Then again, I'm surprised less when you say that it's someone who is coming back from the past :P Sun/moon connections are the pillars of measuring the compatibility between two people by personality. It may not speak to who will pursue, if anyone will pursue, if life gets in the way (outer planets..) etc, but it just means: do you match each other on paper?

- His moon is conjunct your sun and your moon is sextile to his sun. This is a "double whammy" aspect.
- His moon in your 12th associated with the sign of Pisces, the sign of your moon. That's nice reciprocity. He has no choice but to be utterly emotionally open to you, and I see you as being more of an empath here.

Now, I see that the Ascendants are in aversion. We want compatibility between the Ascendants so we look to the sign rulers, his Venus and your Mercury. These planets aspect each other by square aspect. This indicates to me some incompatibility when it comes to personality traits. You might have mismatched appearances and this could add some improbability when it comes to imagining you two getting together. This could be something that popped up in the past as well.

Based on that, I think you guys are generally compatible by personality with the exception of some quirks here and there which might be something you would need to be aware of. For example, you might wish him to get rid of his favorite ratty t-shirt. He might hate the wallpaper you chose for the kitchen, etc. Mercury in trine with each other is going to help you reach those necessary compromises.

Now for judging the amount of stability in a relationship I look at Saturn. Any aspect made by Saturn to an inner planet is a stabilizer, but hard aspects can create some toughness. Uranus is a destabilizer, and in the same way, it destabilizes any inner planet it aspects. And, hard aspects from Uranus make the energies of those inner planets unsustainable.

So, I noticed that there is a double whammy with his Mars conjunct your Uranus and his Uranus conjunction with Saturn making a trine to your Mars. When Uranus contacts with Mars this means destabilization of expression. This can create off and on patterns of motivation to be together or it can create periods of time where fighting is more frequent. Saturn and Uranus side by side tends to create fights when contacting Mars, because they are both trying to stabilize and destabilize that planet's energy at the same time. This can create a lot of attraction for the Mars person (you) initially but over time being 100% on all the time (getting some help from Jupiter conjunct there too) can possibly wear you out. You might find that attraction is high between you but actual decisions are sort of flying above your heads when it comes to getting together.

His Saturn opposing your Venus is a classic malefic compound, however. This is going to create withholding of affection on Saturn's part. Uranus opposing Venus as well brings another destabilizing element. His Uranus opposing your Venus is reciprocated by your Uranus on his DSC. The Venus person (you) is going to find that expressing affection to the Uranus/Saturn person follows an unpredictable trajectory and you might find yourself rejected at times. If you ever attempt to express affection and he has a weird and unpredictable negative reaction, especially when you thought everything was going ok, this is why.

Compared to the previous synastry wheel, this synastry has a lot more "meat." Because Saturn is well aspected to the personal planets this is going to be a relationship framed by commitment, although Uranus double whammy contacts between Venus and Mars are going to keep it from being TOO white picket fence by story progression. There may be some on and off periods, and it seems there have been already.

posted March 15, 2017 10:29 AM            

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Originally posted by wal2:
Ok, so switch the time info? Got it

The planets where we want the most harmonious reception in synastry is the Sun, Moon, and ASC/DSC. Most people do not care about sign compatibility these days but for me it still means a lot to have a compatible sun sign. The Suns are in compatible earth signs which is good. The moons are in sextile signs which is good.

Now, I'm really surprised to see so much Sun/moon reciprocity here. Then again, I'm surprised less when you say that it's someone who is coming back from the past :P Sun/moon connections are the pillars of measuring the compatibility between two people by personality. It may not speak to who will pursue, if anyone will pursue, if life gets in the way (outer planets..) etc, but it just means: do you match each other on paper?

- His moon is conjunct your sun and your moon is sextile to his sun. This is a "double whammy" aspect.
- His moon in your 12th associated with the sign of Pisces, the sign of your moon. That's nice reciprocity. He has no choice but to be utterly emotionally open to you, and I see you as being more of an empath here.

Now, I see that the Ascendants are in aversion. We want compatibility between the Ascendants so we look to the sign rulers, his Venus and your Mercury. These planets aspect each other by square aspect. This indicates to me some incompatibility when it comes to personality traits. You might have mismatched appearances and this could add some improbability when it comes to imagining you two getting together. This could be something that popped up in the past as well.

Based on that, I think you guys are generally compatible by personality with the exception of some quirks here and there which might be something you would need to be aware of. For example, you might wish him to get rid of his favorite ratty t-shirt. He might hate the wallpaper you chose for the kitchen, etc. Mercury in trine with each other is going to help you reach those necessary compromises.

Now for judging the amount of stability in a relationship I look at Saturn. Any aspect made by Saturn to an inner planet is a stabilizer, but hard aspects can create some toughness. Uranus is a destabilizer, and in the same way, it destabilizes any inner planet it aspects. And, hard aspects from Uranus make the energies of those inner planets unsustainable.

So, I noticed that there is a double whammy with his Mars conjunct your Uranus and his Uranus conjunction with Saturn making a trine to your Mars. When Uranus contacts with Mars this means destabilization of expression. This can create off and on patterns of motivation to be together or it can create periods of time where fighting is more frequent. Saturn and Uranus side by side tends to create fights when contacting Mars, because they are both trying to stabilize and destabilize that planet's energy at the same time. This can create a lot of attraction for the Mars person (you) initially but over time being 100% on all the time (getting some help from Jupiter conjunct there too) can possibly wear you out. You might find that attraction is high between you but actual decisions are sort of flying above your heads when it comes to getting together.

His Saturn opposing your Venus is a classic malefic compound, however. This is going to create withholding of affection on Saturn's part. Uranus opposing Venus as well brings another destabilizing element. His Uranus opposing your Venus is reciprocated by your Uranus on his DSC. The Venus person (you) is going to find that expressing affection to the Uranus/Saturn person follows an unpredictable trajectory and you might find yourself rejected at times. If you ever attempt to express affection and he has a weird and unpredictable negative reaction, especially when you thought everything was going ok, this is why.

Compared to the previous synastry wheel, this synastry has a lot more "meat." Because Saturn is well aspected to the personal planets this is going to be a relationship framed by commitment, although Uranus double whammy contacts between Venus and Mars are going to keep it from being TOO white picket fence by story progression. There may be some on and off periods, and it seems there have been already.

I think this relationship is worth pursuing, as long as you are aware of the influence of Saturn in this synastry and understand what you're walking into. The North Nodes are unaspected in aversion, and there's not much to convince me when I look to sign rulers of NN and DSC, that this is a karmic relationship, if that's something you're concerned with, which it may not be just as well, that doesn't mean you can't have some fun in this lifetime Just be careful not to make too many long-term commitments to this person, at least at the outset. If you can manage to avoid getting wrapped up in commitment you can really enjoy the energy those Sun/Moon placements generate. There could be a little more to reveal in the house overlays but it is a little hard for me to move the lines around in my head, sorry :P

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Thank you so much! This is kind of humorous to me because he does always have this "Saturnian" vibe lol. He never lets his guard down and I could see the withholding of affection. The annoying thing , with my Pisces moon I am SO.DARN. SENSITIVE and I take saturnian coldness very HARD. I had a similar aspect with an X, and I seem to constantly feel the most attracted to men that would treat me this way...I don't get it??

Even with the sun/moon contacts, I'm not sure I can "handle" emotionally, any type of relationship with him. I'm just too sensitive and fragile (not to sound like a wuss). I want someone to ADORE me. And not be afraid to express that.

And it;s like he wants to have the upper hand, I feel that strongly. Like he's too "proud" to just knock down the wall and move forward and try to reach me. I could be wrong, but I feel like he wants me to do the initial work to get us off the ground, and I would like a MAN to come to me...does this make sense? Seems so complicated...LOL There is also a 7 year age difference me being older....and that creates Saturn SQ Saturn aspect....another potential problem.

posted March 16, 2017 01:14 AM            

If people "get together" or not cannot be measured by synastry alone, it is always how favorable transits affect that synastry in a certain time period. This synastry chart has a lot of indicators of reciprocity which means that the effects of certain aspects and sign placements are shared reciprocally between the two individuals. At the same time, I would say that based on my interpretation of just the synastry, he will have the upper hand in this relationship, and you will be more likely the one who needs to change your expectations to suit his. So yes, it may appear that you are more attracted than he is because of this imbalance. I will explain why below.

First, same planet aspects among the outer planets are not indicators of compatibility or incompatibility, in my experience. E.g, Saturn square saturn is likely to be felt not in inter-aspect but as the natural age gap and through the differing of aspects these make to personal planets. For example, if you are in a relationship with someone your age to the year, Saturn is likely to be conjunct their Saturn. That just means that that person's Saturn is going to make largely the same aspects to your personal planets as your own natal Saturn does. When someone else's Saturn is in a radically different position on the chart, that means that this person's Saturn is going to make radically different aspects to your natal chart than your natal Saturn does. Saturn is one of teacher figures of the outer planets, so when the "teachers" are in square it simply means that the lessons you bring to one another are quite different in nature.

Saturn and Mars are called malefics, and these planets connected in synastry make our relationships feel not so good. Saturn is the outer malefic, so you don't want too much Saturn in synastry to the point where it can't be managed by the individuals. Outer planets are not core indicators of our personality, they are reflections of our core against the environment we are in. Mars is the inner malefic, so I would treat it similarly when assessing compatibility between inner planets.

In contemporary astrology, people tend to wonder so very often why Mars/Saturn shows up so much in marriage synastry. When Mars and Saturn are joined in aspect this creates a double malefic compound. When the two malefics come together what ends up happening often is that they essentially that Saturn debilitates fiery Mars, and Mars brings impetus to Saturn's discomfort, and therefore problems that arise between the two are brought to the surface of the relationship. Bringing those problems to the forefront of the relationship can be "tough" but can also make said issues more identifiable and easy to mend. This aspects creates impetus to mold one another to a particular discipline, and depending on your attitude when going into marriage this can be a tightly binding "marriage" aspect, e.g "I'm nothing without him/her" "I don't know where I would have ended up if I never met him/her" etc.

Now, on the other hand, Venus and Jupiter are called benefics. These planets are the core of what makes us feel good, and we want these planets to be well connected in synastry of a relationship where the objective is to feel good. The problem I see here, is that your benefics are joined in aspect to a double malefic compound. Your Jupiter on Mars is joined to Mars trine Saturn, and your Venus opposes Saturn in the same compound. When you say that he is very "Saturn," this could possibly be the reaction of the flowers in your garden being stepped all over. In general, you don't want Saturn to be showing up in areas where you want to feel good. Saturn has its place in a relationship, but good times are important as well. Aspects between a malefic and a benefic have a real tendency to drain the benefic person of vitality. You should really watch out for the tendency of that happening here. When a benefic is connected to a malefic through aspect, I have noticed the result to be a continuous lowering of expectations on the part of the benefic person. Sorry to quote myself LOL but this is what I said in another post:

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This is how a relationship dominated by malefic compounds usually go for me: the individuals feel that things start out good, before the standard of treatment is lowered by one or the other, disappointing the other one initially. Because of Saturn's sternness of course, those lowered standards become the new "okay" expectations. Until they become disappointed again, and then the bar just keeps going to a new lower "okay" set of expectations. It continues to hurt when those standards are disappointed, but what you don't realize is even when they are "met" they are so much lower than what they started out as. This is what malefics do to people in a relationship. They bring people down.

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posted March 16, 2017 09:17 AM            

I am very well aware of my higher than usual sensitiviy level, and try to distinguish what is real and what is not, but the serious vibe I get from him does seem real. It makes me hesitate from truly allowing anything to happen.....I dunno. It's always so complicated!

posted March 16, 2017 10:48 PM            

This is my opinion on synastry and what it can do for anyone who is looking at relationship charts: There are aspects which can create problems between two individuals in virtually any synastry. Who we meet, who we connect with, and how things fall into place, those are dependent on the cycles of the heavens. This is, of course, the fundamental groundwork for belief in astrology. What I've noticed is, that even when we're not looking at the skies, things tend to play out exactly in the way they normally would. After all, the planets were existing and following the ecliptic long before we learned to see it, and civilization progressed just the same. When people ask here about synastry, they generally want to hear a yay or a nay based on JUST synastry, completely removing context of transits, how this person relates to life in current, or progressions, how this person's natal energies have progressed since birth.

Well, it doesn't work that way. First of all, I would avoid trying to "frankenstein" a perfect partner (via synastry or anything else), and in extension, a perfect relationship. Second of all, I would advise you to take an awareness approach to the people who come into your life. If you're attracted to someone at a certain time, I believe that there is a reason why. I told you in this thread that both relationships were worth pursuing, and that is because I saw some compatibility in each chart. Whether the relationship falls into place, however, is based on a person's frame of mind at the time when the idea of a relationship is brought forth. It may not be beneficial for you to get into a relationship right now, even if you have great synastry with a couple of people lying around. For that, we need to look to transits. I have seen time and time again so many relationships where the strongest impetus for commitment and lifelong love was in the transits of the individuals at the time where they considered a relationship with one another and not the synastry. I could pass 100 perfect synastry partners on the street, 100 potential relationships worth pursuing, but if "the stars aren't lining up" in LITERAL terms, at that very second when our lives cross, it doesn't happen.

posted March 17, 2017 10:15 AM            

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Ok, I have some advice here You have Moon in Pisces and Venus in Gemini. Those signs are square. Since these are the planets of feminine domicile, I can see that there is a conflict within you in regards to relationships and what makes you feel good versus what is good for you. This is not just within relationships, but also in that area. Pisces Moon is sensitive and Taurus Sun is sensual. Both of those signs are "feeling" in their own way, physically and empathetically. It's ok to be overly sensitive to certain sensations than other people, especially friction. Now, Venus in Gemini is in air, and Air signs generally all have the innate problem of utopian vision, in your case this touches the nerve of relationships. Venus in Gemini is the idealist looking for that frankenstein synastry, 25-year-marriage type of partner and air moves fast. Pisces and Taurus do not move fast. In relationships, you should take care to slow down and really savor the situation before you make any hard and fast decisions. As they say, chew your food slowly.

This is my opinion on synastry and what it can do for anyone who is looking at relationship charts: There are aspects which can create problems between two individuals in virtually any synastry. Who we meet, who we connect with, and how things fall into place, those are dependent on the cycles of the heavens. This is, of course, the fundamental groundwork for belief in astrology. What I've noticed is, that even when we're not looking at the skies, things tend to play out exactly in the way they normally would. After all, the planets were existing and following the ecliptic long before we learned to see it, and civilization progressed just the same. When people ask here about synastry, they generally want to hear a yay or a nay based on JUST synastry, completely removing context of transits, how this person relates to life in current, or progressions, how this person's natal energies have progressed since birth.

Well, it doesn't work that way. First of all, I would avoid trying to "frankenstein" a perfect partner (via synastry or anything else), and in extension, a perfect relationship. Second of all, I would advise you to take an awareness approach to the people who come into your life. If you're attracted to someone at a certain time, I believe that there is a reason why. I told you in this thread that both relationships were worth pursuing, and that is because I saw some compatibility in each chart. Whether the relationship falls into place, however, is based on a person's frame of mind at the time when the idea of a relationship is brought forth. It may not be beneficial for you to get into a relationship right now, even if you have great synastry with a couple of people lying around. For that, we need to look to transits. I have seen time and time again so many relationships where the strongest impetus for commitment and lifelong love was in the transits of the individuals at the time where they considered a relationship with one another and not the synastry. I could pass 100 perfect synastry partners on the street, 100 potential relationships worth pursuing, but if "the stars aren't lining up" in LITERAL terms, at that very second when our lives cross, it doesn't happen.

It's ok to be single! Try to slow down that Venus in Gemini a little, you should be fine in the long run, really

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Oh I have no problem with being single. Quite the opposite actually! Relationships and dating completely stress me out. These synastries are just me checking things out. LOL.

The few men I have actually felt connections with, its' hard for me as most of the time due to my psychic ability, I know when it's karmic, I also know that's not always healthy for me as an empathic caretaker. I tend to get shortchanged...does this make sense? Sometimes the healer wants to be healed, and coddled. (Sun in the 12th)