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girlwiththerainysoul
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posted March 04, 2017 05:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for girlwiththerainysoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote


dear todd I remember I read that you appreciate their relationship. this is their composite, can you elaborate on it?

please take your time, whenever you felt like answering

I'm really interested to know what you find amazing in a composite,

although I think their case is a rare one, both of them being so spiritual and selfless, willing to dedicate to their lives to these matters

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posted March 05, 2017 01:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bump!

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posted March 05, 2017 06:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for todd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
the soulmate chart of edgar Cayce and Gertrude Cayce shows that the spiritual connection of two souls for the purpose of accomplishing a greater social or spiritual endeavor, can change the meaning of aspect when in a composite chart of "mortal" intentions.

with Jupiter conjunct the node, there is a psychic/spiritual/karmic connection of higher, spiritual minds.

the sun/moon midpoint is conjunct chiron which would give the analytical/psychic nature of their work.in addition chiron has powers of healing as well as 8uniting the realms of the seen and the unseen.

venus square to venus shows the undying love that united them.often vertex/venus aspects give intense affection but not always durations.

most interesting is the Venus/Uranus midpoint is conjunct to Pluto. this shows the transcendent love that broke pluto's spell of personal selfishness and transformed it into pure psychic healing.

I will have to add a few more symbols and add to this interpretation later

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girlwiththerainysoul
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posted March 06, 2017 01:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for girlwiththerainysoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
these seem really wonderful, intense love/passion combined with powerful spiritual/psychic connections

I would guess normal people may have not been able to handle this in the long run as you mentioned, but these two enlightened souls could

just looking at their pics I get the "one soul split in two bodies" feel






looking forward to hearing more about their chart!

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posted March 06, 2017 04:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for todd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hi
I am still mulling their composite over but I have noted a discrepancies in edgars time of birth. I used astro.com which give cayce's time 3:03 LMY whereas you have 3:20 LMT for edgar.where did you get your time from.... your time may be more accurate .just because astro.com say so doesn't make it so

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posted March 07, 2017 12:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for girlwiththerainysoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hi todd

I got edgar's from astrotheme: http://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Edgar_Cayce

and gertrude's from astro.com: http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Cayce,_Gertrude

but astro.com says the same (15:20) for edagr: http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Cayce,_Edga
although they have noted "Accuracy in question"

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posted March 07, 2017 03:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for todd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by girlwiththerainysoul:
hi todd

I got edgar's from astrotheme: http://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Edgar_Cayce

and gertrude's from astro.com: http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Cayce,_Gertrude

but astro.com says the same (15:20) for edagr: http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Cayce,_Edga
although they have noted "Accuracy in question"


apparently astro.com has changed their time for edgar to 15:20 from 15:03. it has been some time since a hadthe Cayce birth chart transfer to my astro account from the astrodata base. I will use the 15:20 time because that give the vertex an exact square to the composite venus

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posted March 10, 2017 06:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for todd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
the cayce's composite has the eros/psyche midpoint conjunct the sun and square to the moon which shpws the ethereal, childlike love than energies there lifes.

orcus is sextile to Saturn which again indicates a healings connection between there personalities.
this sextile forms a sword of god with Uranus which certainly could symbolize the astral/psychic nature of cayce's healings .

ceres is exactly square to Jupiter and the node. this shows how important her nurturing energies were for the healings. the midpoint od the ceres/Jupiter square is opposed to the moon and square the sun.
again the focus of their lives were on the psychic healings and astral knowledge that Cayce channeled .

with pluto trine to orcus and their midpoint conjunct the Saturn/mars conjunction, the twin healing powers were focused on manifesting these energies within the relationship.
I have rad that in addition to the nodal/vertex connection that a strong Saturn aspect is also present as in this chart.

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posted March 11, 2017 01:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for girlwiththerainysoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thank you very much for your time todd

I'm learning a lot from your analysis

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posted March 11, 2017 02:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for girlwiththerainysoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote


dear todd can you give me some insights on this composite whenever you have the time

both times of birth are 100% correct

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posted March 13, 2017 11:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for girlwiththerainysoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
kindly bump for todd,

because I might marry him,
I need to know if you think it has a future

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posted March 13, 2017 02:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for todd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
well there a very romantic aspect here as the eros/psyche midpoint is opposed to the moon/sun midpoint and to mercury.

this shows a very ethereal,spiirtual and loving vibration exist between you.

Jupiter on the ascendant trine to venus brings the feelings of commitment .
in addition the venus/mars midpoint is opposed to eros as mars is conjunct to psyche.
eros/psyche bring a almost childlike emotional wonder and with Venus and mars also aspected, then a more "mature" emotional/sexual attraction is also present.
in addition the moon/Saturn midpoint is square to the mars/venus midpoint and to eros.
this pattern gives credence that there is a strong devotional quality to these affectionate symbols. Eros and psyche are highly spiritual and idealistic and often by themselves can not hold a relationship together . so the presence of the Saturn/moon midpoint are highly favorable of longevity in a relationship.

on the other hand, I have misgivings as the satrun/neptue midpoint is conjunct the north node and the south node is exactly conjunct to chiron.
this pattern is extremely non emotional.it implies that he is not being straightforward and may have issues that are a severe detriment to the relationship. chiron can bring a very critical and cold feeling to a relationship.

another aspect that is problematic . this is the Jupiter/Uranus midpoint and the Jupiter/juno midpoint are square to the nodal axis. this pattern invariably shows the relationship/marriage will be unstable and end in separation.

overall there are major conflicting aspects.
the eros/psyche/mars/venus/satrun/moon influences show a very loving, afectionate and devoted attraction between you.

but the Saturn/Neptune/node. chiron /Uranus/Jupiter/juno patterns suggest the hidden issue and possibly outright deceptive nature of theses influence suggest a failed/broken marriage.

you mention he has some issues.i suggest you and he explore these issues and if he does not want to delve into his issues with you ,then I would be very suspicious.

Jupiter/Uranus can show a financial wealth in the relationship ,so my one question would be , is it to his advantage to marry you for economic reasons?

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posted March 14, 2017 02:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for girlwiththerainysoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
dear todd I thank you with all my heart for this detailed analysis

I met him when we were very young..it was indeed a sweet and childlike love with honest expressions...he proposed and my family prevented marriage from happening (saying we were too young) which was probably the right thing...we separated but both were deeply hurting...we have this empathy thing too, and every time he is physically/emotionally sick I can feel it, and with lots of water in my chart it interferes with my daily life, so I call him to see what's wrong and everything starts all over again..he has been through a lot in his life...been supporting himself since he was 14 (when his parents separated)..was forced to leave school to work..a lot of work and health issues (he has uranus, neptune, mercury, venus, moon, saturn, north node all in his 6th).. been diagnosed with bipolar disorder...after our first breakup his life turned around suddenly..he became a playboy and partied heavily..sometimes I blame myself and my family for this...then he became very sick and eventually became very spiritual and political when TrJupiter hit his AC..

a few months ago after years we got back in touch again and I almost made the decision of marrying him, even my parents agreed, but then my father mentioned that he probably wants to marry me for financial reasons, and I became very distrustful of him and ended things again suddenly and without explanation...because I do believe my father's intuitions, he's a scorpio stellium and is often paranoid but I knew he was right because he had already mentioned that he likes this guy and approves of him, even though he still struggles with money.

the interesting thing is that this guy's family is waaay richer than mine! but he has this pride too which prevents him from asking then for help..I made it clear several times that I'm by no means a rich person because he is hugely under capricorn influence and can be quite materialistic, but it seems like he still thinks so or knows it but doesn't care.

when I look back at my relationships, I always smile when I think about this one...we not only loved each other but were like best friends too...it never got ugly between us...given how pluto messed with my other relationships, all of them turning against me, wanting to take some kind of advantage, control/abuse me, make me jealous or forcing me to hide things...

with this man, it always felt happy and peaceful..he always respected me and was honest..never went behind my back..

it is just that my sun falls in his 10th...I am very suspicious of this placement because I have seen materialistic and opportunistic men marry women who are in their 10th..

I'm not sure if he will benefit a lot financially from marrying me..but if he continues to refuse to ask his parents for some loan, my own parents will definitely help in case I decide to marry him...maybe he knows it so wants to do what is easier for him?

I think I need to become clearer about this with him, in case I feel that I need to make the final decision, because I'm not sure how many more times he'll still come with open arms while I've suddenly left!

dear todd, can you tell from a composite about children a couple might have?
I have made the final decision of never having kids, but this man loves them! this would be another huge issue I guess! (haven't discussed it with him yet)

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posted March 14, 2017 02:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for girlwiththerainysoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
there is something which takes me to the edge of marrying him, and that is the fact that him and I have the same faith and beliefs...that jupiter on the AC is big it seems..we see completely eye to eye on a lot of things..given that our angles are exactly conjunct, I guess it would be no surprise how similar we are!

I have loved quite a few people, whom all changed my life in some way, but I always got my heart broken at the end having to leave them because I found their ideals and morals very messed up (they probably felt the same about my beliefs!)

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posted March 14, 2017 02:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for girlwiththerainysoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
and about the coldness, you are completely right, it is there. but for a reason I guess. both him and I can be rather cold.

in fact the uranus/chiron opposition exists in charts of almost anyone I got into a relationship with. it's a generational thing for people my own age (such as this guy), and even those a good couple of years younger or older.

unless I marry someone more than 10 years older or younger (which is unlikely) I can't escape this aspect I guess (I also have my own north node and mars on these points)

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posted March 14, 2017 01:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for todd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by girlwiththerainysoul:
dear todd I thank you with all my heart for this detailed analysis

I met him when we were very young..it was indeed a sweet and childlike love with honest expressions...he proposed and my family prevented marriage from happening (saying we were too young) which was probably the right thing...we separated but both were deeply hurting...we have this empathy thing too, and every time he is physically/emotionally sick I can feel it, and with lots of water in my chart it interferes with my daily life, so I call him to see what's wrong and everything starts all over again..he has been through a lot in his life...been supporting himself since he was 14 (when his parents separated)..was forced to leave school to work..a lot of work and health issues (he has uranus, neptune, mercury, venus, moon, saturn, north node all in his 6th).. been diagnosed with bipolar disorder...after our first breakup his life turned around suddenly..he became a playboy and partied heavily..sometimes I blame myself and my family for this...then he became very sick and eventually became very spiritual and political when TrJupiter hit his AC..

a few months ago after years we got back in touch again and I almost made the decision of marrying him, even my parents agreed, but then my father mentioned that he probably wants to marry me for financial reasons, and I became very distrustful of him and ended things again suddenly and without explanation...because I do believe my father's intuitions, he's a scorpio stellium and is often paranoid but I knew he was right because he had already mentioned that he likes this guy and approves of him, even though he still struggles with money.

the interesting thing is that this guy's family is waaay richer than mine! but he has this pride too which prevents him from asking then for help..I made it clear several times that I'm by no means a rich person because he is hugely under capricorn influence and can be quite materialistic, but it seems like he still thinks so or knows it but doesn't care.

when I look back at my relationships, I always smile when I think about this one...we not only loved each other but were like best friends too...it never got ugly between us...given how pluto messed with my other relationships, all of them turning against me, wanting to take some kind of advantage, control/abuse me, make me jealous or forcing me to hide things...

with this man, it always felt happy and peaceful..he always respected me and was honest..never went behind my back..

it is just that my sun falls in his 10th...I am very suspicious of this placement because I have seen materialistic and opportunistic men marry women who are in their 10th..

I'm not sure if he will benefit a lot financially from marrying me..but if he continues to refuse to ask his parents for some loan, my own parents will definitely help in case I decide to marry him...maybe he knows it so wants to do what is easier for him?

I think I need to become clearer about this with him, in case I feel that I need to make the final decision, because I'm not sure how many more times he'll still come with open arms while I've suddenly left!

dear todd, can you tell from a composite about children a couple might have?
I have made the final decision of never having kids, but this man loves them! this would be another huge issue I guess! (haven't discussed it with him yet)


dear todd, can you tell from a composite about children a couple might have?
I have made the final decision of never having kids, but this man loves them! this would be another huge issue I guess!

no I can't see children incomposite but you might add the asteroid child and see if it correlates with any feelings about children

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posted March 14, 2017 02:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for girlwiththerainysoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thank you todd for suggesting that asteroid

interesting! I can see it in my own chart why I don't want kids, with aspects this asteroid makes!

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