posted March 17, 2017 05:33 PM            

We also do not have any major jupiter contact, but my moon and mars trine his saturn, venus sextile venus, mars conj mars/sun and uranus trine mercury/sun. So basically our only bad aspect is this Venus square saturn (I'm venus)
Our composite is also just wonderful, so I cannot help myself getting a bit hopeful about it... it seems to me like its a true attraction when we are still interested in each other and wants to hang out after that many years...

posted March 17, 2017 06:00 PM            

So you don't even have soft Jupiter aspects to angles?

posted March 17, 2017 06:38 PM            

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Originally posted by Iridia:
If you worry about the potential coldness of Mr. Saturn, I'd worry less if (synastrically speaking):
- you put your Sun, Moon, Venus or Jupiter into his 4th house, especially if conjunct the IC
- you have Moon-Venus, Moon-Neptune, Venus-Neptune (preferably he'd be the Neptune) or soft Moon-Moon
- his Jupiter or Moon falls into your 1st house

So you don't even have soft Jupiter aspects to angles?

By the way, what's the orb of the square?

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If I'm right about his TOB, then I actually put both my sun, mars and mercury into his 4th house And we got moon trine venus, but only in the composite... his jupiter falls in my 12th house, but it loosely conjuncts my asc - but thats all of our jupiter aspects, it really does nothing in the synastry....:S

posted March 17, 2017 10:37 PM            

My honest opinion, at the risk of being too fatalistic here, is that Venus square Saturn is ultimately draining of vitality in a relationship without major support from benefic compounds.

Benefic planets, when touched in synastry, send a rush of good feelings to the relationship. Malefic planets, when combined in synastry, take far longer to reveal their problematic nature. This is the real problem of Venus square Saturn, that the connection to Venus is felt first, which feels great, but the connection to Saturn reveals itself over time. This creates a wide open mousetrap for the two individuals to fall into. Since these two planets are directly connected, the vitality of Venus becomes directly linked to the strength of Saturn, and Saturn drains Venus of vitality. I had a relationship with Venus square Saturn BOTH ways. I left that relationship feeling not just ultimately unloved but ultimately unloveable. Love and affection was not able to be expressed because of continuous denial and rejection.

Jupiter conjunct the Ascendant is nothing to gloss over, as this can create a big rush of attraction initially. The problem with this kind of aspect in a negative relationship, is that the Ascendant and other angles are a snapshot of time, and time is passing. Aspects to the Ascendant speak more to what we are initially and ideally attracted to, not what plays out over time in actuality. For my ex, my Jupiter is conjunct to his Ascendant in Cancer. Jupiter is also my 7th house ruler. Sounds like a dream right? Well, how this really manifests is that, despite the hurt within the relationship, I cannot be truly unattracted to him and there is a part of me that really wants to believe in the feelings I felt in the beginning, that they were real. Every time I see him I get those butterflies, only to have my overly exalted memory of him come crashing down into the reality that we are fundamentally incompatible and the relationship is an emotional carcass. That's a rather severe manifestation here, but I'm just demonstrating how those benefic/angle conjunctions can feel. This aspect could be great in a relationship where things were going well! Imagine being married 20+ years and still getting weak in the knees when he walks into the room!

posted March 18, 2017 07:09 AM            

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My honest opinion, at the risk of being too fatalistic here, is that Venus square Saturn is ultimately draining of vitality in a relationship without major support from benefic compounds.

Benefic planets, when touched in synastry, send a rush of good feelings to the relationship. Malefic planets, when combined in synastry, take far longer to reveal their problematic nature. This is the real problem of Venus square Saturn, that the connection to Venus is felt first, which feels great, but the connection to Saturn reveals itself over time. This creates a wide open mousetrap for the two individuals to fall into. Since these two planets are directly connected, the vitality of Venus becomes directly linked to the strength of Saturn, and Saturn drains Venus of vitality. I had a relationship with Venus square Saturn BOTH ways. I left that relationship feeling not just ultimately unloved but ultimately unloveable. Love and affection was not able to be expressed because of continuous denial and rejection.

I want to remind here that the other malefic is Mars. Mars in aspect in synastry can create attraction initially. Mars in aspect to the Moon is felt as primarily lunar initially. It sends impetus to the creative and emotional sphere of the relationship which can feel really good! But, like Saturn, the malefic energy of Mars is slow to reveal itself. The fiery rush of passion is good for beginning relationships but after a while the fiery rush can become infighting and restless energy. Just like how Saturn's lifelong commitment to one another can become, over time, a ball and chain.

Jupiter conjunct the Ascendant is nothing to gloss over, as this can create a big rush of attraction initially. The problem with this kind of aspect in a negative relationship, is that the Ascendant and other angles are a snapshot of time, and time is passing. Aspects to the Ascendant speak more to what we are initially and ideally attracted to, not what plays out over time in actuality. For my ex, my Jupiter is conjunct to his Ascendant in Cancer. Jupiter is also my 7th house ruler. Sounds like a dream right? Well, how this really manifests is that, despite the hurt within the relationship, I cannot be truly unattracted to him and there is a part of me that really wants to believe in the feelings I felt in the beginning, that they were real. Every time I see him I get those butterflies, only to have my overly exalted memory of him come crashing down into the reality that we are fundamentally incompatible and the relationship is an emotional carcass. That's a rather severe manifestation here, but I'm just demonstrating how those benefic/angle conjunctions can feel. This aspect could be great in a relationship where things were going well! Imagine being married 20+ years and still getting weak in the knees when he walks into the room!

You want the benefics to ideally appear in compounds together. Barring that, you want them to be supported by flowing aspects. Check to see what composite Jupiter is doing. Check transits for times of key story progression in the relationship and compare to the natals. What was happening at the time, especially in regards to the benefics Venus and Jupiter? I would investigate those areas to see if harmony can be brought to this aspect.

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But it is a bit tragically, that this is really seriously the only really bad aspect in our synastry :S You could potentially meet someone else and have all the worst aspects, like a lot of bad pluto or uranus aspect, but not this one and still carry on.... but here we got a really nice overall synastry with lots of positive mars aspect, other positive saturn aspects (like moon sextile saturn and mars/mercury trine saturn) and venus sextile venus etc...

What I'm trying to say is that I don't think it's possible to meet someone you really like AND do not have ANY bad aspects with in the synastry OR the composite...I mean, how rare isn't this?

And that venus square saturn could indicate that a relationship kind of lose it's warmth over time, is really characteristic for a lot of relationships in general, its just something you can risk in our modern world where you have no time to relax together...

posted March 18, 2017 10:24 AM            

I don't think a Venus-Saturn square alone is enough to ruin a relationship (I'm glad you agree, NTN), even if the synastry lacks in Jupiter. Besides, planets can be manifested in multiple ways so it doesn't have to about making someone doubt they're loved or lovable. I also don't take this malefic-benefic thing too seriously. Every planets has its dark side, even Jupiter and Venus.

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Mars in aspect in synastry can create attraction initially. Mars in aspect to the Moon is felt as primarily lunar initially.

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Jupiter conjunct the Ascendant is nothing to gloss over, as this can create a big rush of attraction initially.

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The problem with this kind of aspect in a negative relationship, is that the Ascendant and other angles are a snapshot of time, and time is passing. Aspects to the Ascendant speak more to what we are initially and ideally attracted to, not what plays out over time in actuality.

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posted March 18, 2017 02:51 PM            

My individual method of interpreting astrology is digesting compounds as a whole. If there is a positive aspect to the same Saturn that's in square to Venus, that's going to activate that aspect as well even if it's flowing. Planet to Planet aspects can be felt but it's compounds, aka multiple aspects and reciprocities for one planet placement, that add richness to the interactions between one another.

I just offered my opinion, based on observation of charts and through my personal experience, that a benefic and a malefic in the same compound in hard aspect to one another is especially hard to deal with. It sounds like you already feel this is a relationship worth pursuing, so you should follow your instinct and you will be able to come to your own conclusions.

@Iridia

I apologize, I misread "my moon and mars trine" as "my moon trine mars." Thanks for pointing that out as it makes part of my original post completely out of context and random!

As for Jupiter on the Ascendant, I am retelling my own personal experiences, for one thing, so I can't necessarily be wrong about something I felt firsthand We didn't have Venus on the Ascendant, and the way I feel about this person is particularly unique from the way I perceive those with AC in Scorpio, where my Venus lies. As for "feeling accepted and supported by the Jupiter person despite any differences there may be," that's not really anything close to what was being felt when we were around each other. In fact, it was largely the opposite! We both felt continually unsupported by one another, due to my moon in direct opposition to his Mars and his moon in aversion to my Mars with no sign or house reciprocity to create harmonious reception. And he felt more unsupported than me, which was something he used to justify what was happening emotionally between us due to the Venus and Saturn squares.

Jupiter is the planet that rules expansion and amplification when in contact to a point on someone else's chart. Jupiter in contact to the Ascendant applies that amplification effect onto the carrier of the Ascendant. Jupiter is the one doing the expanding and amplifying. Venus is the ruler of attraction and what we like, thinking someone is hot, beautiful, etc, but feeling like we've found someone special, above the rest, never knew I could feel this way, etc, is ruled by Jupiter.

The opinion that aspects to angles cannot support a relationship alone when there are no other predominant aspects connecting them into a compound is my opinion based on observation of actual relationship charts. I don't know where you got the impression I underestimate angles since I opened that paragraph that this aspect is important to note. Maybe I should clarify my opinion! Aspects to one's AC/DC/MC/IC indicate the non-angle person's feeling about that person. Having feelings about someone and perceiving them a certain way, doesn't make you have a relationship. If my Venus is conjunct another's Ascendant I may have feelings that this person is really attractive and likeable on a gut level. That doesn't account for any issues such as their actual life at hand, personal life, work situation, ability to form a relationship, etc. They may not even feel the same way about me. Angles contacted in synastry just create feelings within us about another, similarly to house placements do.

I'm well versed in the practice of comparing natals to synastry

posted March 26, 2017 04:48 PM            

Expectations the other person cannot meet can prevent or end a relationship. Especially when those expectations were never even voiced or were put upon the other person as demands.

People failing to adjust and meet the other person halfway can block or end a relationship.

next to neptune, consider that you have already experienced most of the dynamic of Venus square Saturn's influence: delay.

Why not take things an inch at a time without loading things up with expectations and worries?

My comments can only be general here, because I want to see both person's planet positions, including declinations before I give an assessment of the synastry.

posted March 27, 2017 04:28 AM            

Ime my Mom has her Saturn on my Moon by opposition.
I grew up with her working. And at some point ,I was raised by my Gran.

I was not given much hugs and kisses from Mom.Nor expressions of affection

My Dad has his Saturn on my Sun. We had an austere relationship and even nonexistent-by some standards.

My Saturn opposes my Sisters Sun. I was hard on her all these years and aloof.

But I have made a conscious choice to be more expressive towards her and ease up.

Its not always easy to be "casual".But i realized that our relationship has evolved when she cried in my presence.

There are other examples and other modifying factors of course

But what I have found is that whenever i don't like a person or judge someone very harshly. Saturn is in close orb to Sun/Moon/Mercury/Venus or Mars.

And it matters little whether its a trine,sextile,square, opposition or conjunction.