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angel4845
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posted May 24, 2017 01:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for angel4845     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Which is better? Considering both people are in a relationship.

Synastry involving nodes vs nodes in a composite aspecting a planet
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posted May 24, 2017 01:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for angel4845     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Personally I feel synastry is better only because I feel like for myself I'm personally growing unless an planet or angle in my chart is aspecting that COMPOSITE NN..


Or a composite planet, major important asteroid, or angle is aspecting my natal NN.
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posted May 24, 2017 04:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Beautiful_Light     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I consider conjunctions to the nodes only. I can't say if either one is better...ideally, you should have good contacts with the NN in both synastry and composite, which will show potential for longevity and growth.

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posted May 24, 2017 06:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for angel4845     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Conjunctions are defently Better but squares can also bring two people together (which I personally have seen myself) but I feel this is more of a struggle for NODE to grow which can be motivating for the NODE person but it does depend on the rest of the chart of course.

I have had squares to my NORTH NODE and I feel very tied in with the planet person but I also notice if you have a square between your natal planet and your NODE and someone comes in it can feel very intense personally for me.

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posted May 24, 2017 10:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for llewsacm     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by angel4845:
Conjunctions are defently Better but squares can also bring two people together (which I personally have seen myself) but I feel this is more of a struggle for NODE to grow which can be motivating for the NODE person but it does depend on the rest of the chart of course.

I have had squares to my NORTH NODE and I feel very tied in with the planet person but I also notice if you have a square between your natal planet and your NODE and someone comes in it can feel very intense personally for me.


I wouldn't say conjunctions are better. Squares require action. Without action our lives remain the same. I think with nodal conjunctions the transit may not be as 'in your face" so to speak. Unless there are other strong transits occurring simultaneously.

I do think nodal transits that trigger our natal are more within our control. Composite takes two so we have limited choice since two parties are involved (or more for multi-composites!)

I tend to look at someone's planets falling in-between the square I have with my nodes. If there's a planet or luminary that sits directly in between the two, I can sense that energy and later confirm it. Same holds true with transits.

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posted May 25, 2017 12:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for angel4845     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by llewsacm:
I wouldn't say conjunctions are better. Squares require action. Without action our lives remain the same. I think with nodal conjunctions the transit may not be as 'in your face" so to speak. Unless there are other strong transits occurring simultaneously.

I do think nodal transits that trigger our natal are more within our control. Composite takes two so we have limited choice since two parties are involved (or more for multi-composites!)

I tend to look at someone's planets falling in-between the square I have with my nodes. If there's a planet or luminary that sits directly in between the two, I can sense that energy and later confirm it. Same holds true with transits.


Yeah I see what you mean, as I was saying I have a natal square in my chart as so do you as well if that's what your saying, as I'm sure you understand how significant it feels when someone hits your planet and NODE. For example, My 7th house moon is square my Uranus and NORTH NODE and if someone were to take there luminary or personal planet into contact with my natal NORTH NODE, 7th house moon, and Uranus especially if it completes A T SQUARE i defently will feel the impact. And of course if a transit hits that it feels very faded and impactful. Transits are very powerfull indeed. And yeah squares are very important i defently have seen many couples come together with squares involving the nodes.

But what do you prefer NODE synastry or a composite planet conjunct/square NN?

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posted May 26, 2017 09:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for llewsacm     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh, I guess I didn't fully grasp your question then. I thought you were talking about transits to the natal vs comp. I suppose you can anticipate both, but with the comp, you have another source outside of yourself, and they may react in an unexpected way to the energy...

Now with aspects in each chart, I don't have a preference...I don't have a choice with my natal...is what it is...lol, except that I don't think I would have any type of deep, meaningful relationship with someone if I did not have any connection to their node or theirs to mine. The same holds true with the comp...the relationship has to represent something deep. I guess that's why you might find many significant relationships with nodal aspects in the comp.

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posted May 26, 2017 09:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for llewsacm     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And in regards to synastry vs comp with aspects, I think there's the potential either way for something deep to occur. I don't have a preference other than the aspects are strong in both the synastry and comp. However, in the comp, I think it's something both or all parties need to address. If the only aspect I have in synastry involving the node is a conjunction, square,from one of their personal planets, but there's nothing back to their nnode from my chart, it's not as powerful...same would hold true without aspects to nnode in comp. Do ya feel me?

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posted May 26, 2017 11:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for angel4845     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by llewsacm:
Oh, I guess I didn't fully grasp your question then. I thought you were talking about transits to the natal vs comp. I suppose you can anticipate both, but with the comp, you have another source outside of yourself, and they may react in an unexpected way to the energy...

Now with aspects in each chart, I don't have a preference...I don't have a choice with my natal...is what it is...lol, except that I don't think I would have any type of deep, meaningful relationship with someone if I did not have any connection to their node or theirs to mine. The same holds true with the comp...the relationship has to represent something deep. I guess that's why you might find many significant relationships with nodal aspects in the comp.


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posted May 26, 2017 11:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for angel4845     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by llewsacm:
And in regards to synastry vs comp with aspects, I think there's the potential either way for something deep to occur. I don't have a preference other than the aspects are strong in both the synastry and comp. However, in the comp, I think it's something both or all parties need to address. If the only aspect I have in synastry involving the node is a conjunction, square,from one of their personal planets, but there's nothing back to their nnode from my chart, it's not as powerful...same would hold true without aspects to nnode in comp. Do ya feel me?

yeah ! i definitely understand where your going. lets say a couple there names are Jill and Michael, and in there composite, theres no composite aspects to the nodes BUT in synastry there is a personal planet DW conjunction to both of there north nodes then what? and lets say the conjunctions or square is EXACT! within 1 orb. what are your thoughts?

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posted May 26, 2017 01:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for llewsacm     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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yeah ! i definitely understand where your going. lets say a couple there names are Jill and Michael, and in there composite, theres no composite aspects to the nodes BUT in synastry there is a personal planet DW conjunction to both of there north nodes then what? and lets say the conjunctions or square is EXACT! within 1 orb. what are your thoughts?


If they have a dw in synastry it will show up in the composite as well.

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posted May 26, 2017 02:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for angel4845     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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If they have a dw in synastry it will show up in the composite as well.

Okay

what if let's say Michael has there sun and Pluto square Jill's NORTH NODE and Jill's Venus and Pluto conjunct Michaels NORTHNODE but there is no NORTHNODE aspects in there composite.... what do you think about this particular karma? Would the tie be strong even though there's no composite NORTH NODE aspects...

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posted May 26, 2017 03:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for HappyNinja     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would think the tie would be strong because the link goes both ways. Based on my experience, the person whose NN conjuncts the other person's planet will eventually want the connection to be permanent (though there is hesitation to bond at first)... and the person whose NN is in harsh aspect to the other person's planet will want to sever the ties at some point because they will find the connection somewhat painful one way or another.

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posted May 26, 2017 03:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for llewsacm     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think you should have both if you want a deep relationship with someone. But I'm not entirely sure how this plays out for each individual and their relationships.

I was married to someone for 15 years. His nnode trined my asc and was conjunct my mc. My north node squared his Jupiter and Saturn. In our composite, we had Venus sextile the node and square Saturn.

Now this guy who has been chasing me for some time...his moon and Juno conjuncts my nnode. His Mars squares it and his asc is trine to my nnode. My sun, Chiron and Mercury all conjunct his nnode. My Jupiter square, Uranus opp, my ASC square. Tons of nodal contacts and they are all within reasonable orb of 4 degrees or less. Most are under 2.

In our composite...we have Saturn conjunct nnode. That's it. And guess what, I am not interested in pursuing a relationship with him. At all..lol. I find him attractive and charming, but I don't find him to be deep relationship material.

So...I suppose it's up to the individual​ and what they need throughout their life. Maybe if I met the "chasing guy" before I met my ex husband, I would have entered into a relationship with him. But being at a more evolved point in my life I don't find what he offers to be significant, as far as adding anything to my life.

I get what you are trying to decipher. This board is full of questions about, which aspect is stronger or are we meant to be? Lol. I think we have clues through astrology and nodal contacts but we really need to look within and decide for ourselves if a relationship will help us evolve further or not based on where we are in life when we meet that person.

So I try not to weigh which one is better...synastry or composite. I don't really make choices to which relationships I will enter based on synastry aspects or composites. I just try to understand the energy there and make it work if me and the other person are dedicated to one another in a relationship.

I love exploring topics like this.

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posted May 26, 2017 03:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for HappyNinja     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
llewsacm, can you briefly explain why the marriage ended? And who initiated the dissolution? No need for specifics if it's too personal.

Just curious if what I wrote above your last post was true in your experience.

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posted May 26, 2017 04:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CapriciousCapricorn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Guys, you seem to know a lot about North Node in synastry. Could you please tell me what does North Node conjunct Sun and Venus in progressed composite mean?

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posted May 26, 2017 07:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for llewsacm     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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llewsacm, can you briefly explain why the marriage ended? And who initiated the dissolution? No need for specifics if it's too personal.

Just curious if what I wrote above your last post was true in your experience.


I was the one who initiated the divorce, couldn't see myself growing old with him.
I've seen other charts where the person who initiated the dissolution of a relationship with only soft aspects to their nodes, while the other person with squares to theirs wanted to stay so I don't think your theory will always hold true.

I think these aspects "attract" us to one another, for many different reasons. I don't think there are any slam dunk nodal aspects between charts where we can say, aha! This is the person I've been waiting for, and then live the relationship to see if it plays out like you thought it would. BECAUSE we need different things through our lives.

If we are talking about longevity to a relationship, I think Jupiter aspects are very desireable...simply because they...most of the time bring optimistism and forgiveness. And ev en then, this may not be enough for the other party!

I don't entirely believe in the popular interpretation of them (the nodes) where it's "your life's purpose". I think its a stranger energy than what we've been told. I don't know how to explain it...other than I feel like it may be a spiritual​ doorway for us, where we can harness opportunities, in ourselves, within our relationships, with events...whether it's a gift or garbage...it's up to us to choose which one. Those are my present thoughts on the subject. They may change as I evolve!


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posted May 26, 2017 07:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for llewsacm     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Guys, you seem to know a lot about North Node in synastry. Could you please tell me what does North Node conjunct Sun and Venus in progressed composite mean?

CC- forget about what it means. How are you feeling in this progressed composite situation? Do you feel like you have a choice in the relationship right now? Is that energy making you think of...what? What is stirring inside of you? Are you elated? Head over heels, hesitant, doubtful, thinking long term or do you feel absolutely nothing? Relate the progression to how you are feeling and look at the choices you have within your control. When I stopped thinking that I should be feeling a certain way with transits, progressions, synastries, I freed myself to take that energy and make the most of it. It took me a while to figure that out.

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posted May 26, 2017 07:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mohini108     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, I have a Moon conjunct NN double whammy with my SO, one at 1° and the other at 3°. We also have a NN square Saturn at 2°.

And because of the Moon/NN double whammy in synastry, we have Moon conjunct NN in Composite at an exact 0°.


Anyone else have Node contacts like this with someone else?

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posted May 26, 2017 08:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for angel4845     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I would think the tie would be strong because the link goes both ways. Based on my experience, the person whose NN conjuncts the other person's planet will eventually want the connection to be permanent (though there is hesitation to bond at first)... and the person whose NN is in harsh aspect to the other person's planet will want to sever the ties at some point because they will find the connection somewhat painful one way or another.

thanks happy ninja i agree and would think the same.

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posted May 26, 2017 08:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for angel4845     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by llewsacm:
I think you should have both if you want a deep relationship with someone. But I'm not entirely sure how this plays out for each individual and their relationships.

I was married to someone for 15 years. His nnode trined my asc and was conjunct my mc. My north node squared his Jupiter and Saturn. In our composite, we had Venus sextile the node and square Saturn.

Now this guy who has been chasing me for some time...his moon and Juno conjuncts my nnode. His Mars squares it and his asc is trine to my nnode. My sun, Chiron and Mercury all conjunct his nnode. My Jupiter square, Uranus opp, my ASC square. Tons of nodal contacts and they are all within reasonable orb of 4 degrees or less. Most are under 2.

In our composite...we have Saturn conjunct nnode. That's it. And guess what, I am not interested in pursuing a relationship with him. At all..lol. I find him attractive and charming, but I don't find him to be deep relationship material.

So...I suppose it's up to the individual​ and what they need throughout their life. Maybe if I met the "chasing guy" before I met my ex husband, I would have entered into a relationship with him. But being at a more evolved point in my life I don't find what he offers to be significant, as far as adding anything to my life.

I get what you are trying to decipher. This board is full of questions about, which aspect is stronger or are we meant to be? Lol. I think we have clues through astrology and nodal contacts but we really need to look within and decide for ourselves if a relationship will help us evolve further or not based on where we are in life when we meet that person.

So I try not to weigh which one is better...synastry or composite. I don't really make choices to which relationships I will enter based on synastry aspects or composites. I just try to understand the energy there and make it work if me and the other person are dedicated to one another in a relationship.

I love exploring topics like this.


awww so sweet! and yes everything makes sense what you wrote. I totally get what your saying. and trust me i love exploring topics like this as well when it comes to our soul's growth etc.

and yes astrology can be so complicated to understand yet so fascinating some aspects can mean "wow these people are definitely meant to be with one another" and sometimes your just wrong which i have experienced myself many times but maybe its because there's somewhere we are not really looking into. something maybe we are not considering for example transits maybe, rulers, synastry contacts, so many things it can be!

hmmm how do you feel about persona charts?

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posted May 27, 2017 12:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for llewsacm     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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awww so sweet! and yes everything makes sense what you wrote. I totally get what your saying. and trust me i love exploring topics like this as well when it comes to our soul's growth etc.

and yes astrology can be so complicated to understand yet so fascinating some aspects can mean "wow these people are definitely meant to be with one another" and sometimes your just wrong which i have experienced myself many times but maybe its because there's somewhere we are not really looking into. something maybe we are not considering for example transits maybe, rulers, synastry contacts, so many things it can be!

hmmm how do you feel about persona charts?


I haven't used persona charts. Do you find them to be helpful? I've used return charts.
Do you have any tidbits to share to help me with the persona charts?

Yeah, there's so much to discover with the information we have available through astrology. I think it's important not to get lost in it. I spent too much time looking for answers in astrology when it comes to relationships when all I really need to do is understand myself. I feel more empowered now that I realize this.

I've really trained myself to see what is going on in my life, what energy is affecting me, and use it to my advantage. I can handle that. Now when my partner starts getting uptight about something, I can see what energy is affecting them too, but instead of throwing up information about what is going on in their transits, progressions, returns, I understand and attempt to use whatever energy I am capable of at that point in time to keep things grounded, so I don't react so much anymore, you know? I don't put it on them, I put it on myself to understand the energy more clearly and use it in a helpful way. It doesn't always happen that way, trust me...lol, but I try. That's all I can do.

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posted May 27, 2017 06:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CapriciousCapricorn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by llewsacm:
CC- forget about what it means. How are you feeling in this progressed composite situation? Do you feel like you have a choice in the relationship right now? Is that energy making you think of...what? What is stirring inside of you? Are you elated? Head over heels, hesitant, doubtful, thinking long term or do you feel absolutely nothing? Relate the progression to how you are feeling and look at the choices you have within your control. When I stopped thinking that I should be feeling a certain way with transits, progressions, synastries, I freed myself to take that energy and make the most of it. It took me a while to figure that out.

No, I cannot apply this to myself because I am not in touch with this person. That's why I am asking. Would these aspects indicate something in terms of coming together/sharing one path/painful encounter/meaningful meeting etc..that sort of thing? Everything North Node (aspects to it) I heard is karmic but that's about all I know about it. So what does it mean when you have these aspects in progressed composite? I am especially interested because in synastry and composite chart there are no prominent North Node aspects.

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posted May 27, 2017 06:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CapriciousCapricorn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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CC- forget about what it means. How are you feeling in this progressed composite situation?

Actually all I can say about how I feel right now is that I cannot stop thinking about the person and it hasn't always been like that.

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posted May 28, 2017 01:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for angel4845     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I haven't used persona charts. Do you find them to be helpful? I've used return charts.
Do you have any tidbits to share to help me with the persona charts?


persona charts are interesting and i love looking at return charts BEST way to predict whether a person will stick around or not or how they MAY effect you that year.

Unfortunately i don't have anything to say regarding Persona Charts i think its up to you to explore what they can bring to you but from what i understand from your side that its best not be so caught up on astrology regarding the person we are focused on, it can take up so much time and best to just let life make those decisions whether we are meant to be with one another or not.

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