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Topic: THE BREAKUP ASPECT - conjunction
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Nine Moderator Posts: 3924 From: The Cusp of Love Registered: May 2009
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posted June 23, 2017 08:59 PM
That's right. New discovery, the conjunction aspect is the aspect of unity and the aspect of separation.When does a Lunar Cycle begin? At the new moon, Sun conjunct Moon. When does a Lunar cycle ends? At the new moon - Sun conjunct Moon. Fascinating stuff.
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Orange Knowflake Posts: 7843 From: Georgia Registered: May 2009
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posted June 23, 2017 09:46 PM
any particular planets involved?and what is the planetary picture at the beginning of a relationship? IP: Logged |
Nine Moderator Posts: 3924 From: The Cusp of Love Registered: May 2009
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posted June 24, 2017 02:32 AM
^^planets involved: Sun, Moon, Asc Aspect: conjunction. Alignment at beginning of relationship: pMoon conjunct nAsc/nSun. Alignment at end of relationship: pMoon conjunct nAsc/nSun/nMoon. Thus, the very aspects I use to guage attraction, is the same aspect that appears at the end of a relationship.
Not saying a breakup is automatic, all depends if the persons are getting their needs met. If one party is unhappy but can't find a way out, this conjunct will provide one. Charles & Diana He: Leo/Scorpio-Taurus She: Sag/Cancer-Aquarius At wedding He: pMoon in Cancer (his pMoon conj her nSun) She: pMoon in Scorpio (her pMoon conj his nSun) During divorce He: pMoon in Sagittarius (his pMoon conj her nAsc) Her: pMoon in Taurus (her pMoon conj his nMoon) IP: Logged |
Orange Knowflake Posts: 7843 From: Georgia Registered: May 2009
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posted June 24, 2017 07:47 AM
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colorful butterfly Knowflake Posts: 2172 From: USA Registered: May 2015
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posted June 24, 2017 10:12 AM
I think progressed moons usually bring someone new into my life as far as relationships go and the other relation breaks off a little before or after the moon change. I started looking at progressions a few years back , my progressed moon was in Capricorn. I had a 3 year relation with a guy who's northern node was in Capricorn. ( on\off but for the most part steady routine) During the off time, I met a guy who had his moon in Capricorn. I noticed a lot of people had Capricorn placements in their charts. When my progressed moon entered Aquarius, I dated a guy with his NN in Aqua. Again on and off relation. Started out heavy but faded quickly , never really got on a steady track. Thats Aquarius for ya I guess. I dated a few guys in between , just seemed like nothing reliable or anything to take serious. They didn't seem all that serious about me so I dropped them. ( again Aquarius) Also want to mention, they all had NN or Aqua in their charts. My progressed moon is in Pisces now, the guy I am currently talking to has his mercury and jupiter in Pisces although he is an Aries. Noticed that I am surrounded by some Pisces energy but mostly Aries.
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colorful butterfly Knowflake Posts: 2172 From: USA Registered: May 2015
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posted June 24, 2017 10:14 AM
Oh yea, I wanted to mention that most guys I meet have their progressed venus or moon in Gemini. My natal venus and mars is in Gemini. IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 144658 From: Your Friendly Neighborhood Juris Doctorate. Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 28, 2017 03:45 PM
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GrlyGirl200 Knowflake Posts: 420 From: Registered: Jun 2012
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posted June 28, 2017 06:08 PM
I always thought that the Full Moon or Opposition was the position of separation? Or maybe I'm thinking of elective astrology. I know of two couples who are getting married July 8th with the Sun in Cancer and Moon in (detriment) Capricorn, both couples have Sun Conjunct Mars in Cancer (in fall) Square Uranus. If they waited a day or so they would be getting married with the same Cap Moon but it would be in mutual reception to Mars. The day of the 8th also features a nasty Pluto Sun Opp that day. Venus is also in Gemini relatively unaspected, and Mercury is in Leo in its fall position. And the biggie that worries me is there is a Saturn Chiron Square. Anyway let me know what you think. The funny thing is there are a few more celebrity couples getting married on this date (July 8th), I'd be interested to see how they make it work. IP: Logged |
Nine Moderator Posts: 3924 From: The Cusp of Love Registered: May 2009
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posted July 04, 2017 12:31 PM
quote: Originally posted by GrlyGirl200: I always thought that the Full Moon or Opposition was the position of separation? Or maybe I'm thinking of elective astrology.
I used to think so too. The idea first came to me while looking at pMoon in Libra. As Libra is a significator of relationships I noticed once pMoon enters Libra a person often re-evaluates their relationships. If it's fundamentally sound, that relationship will become stronger and often progresses to the next level; marriage, exclusivity, etc. If the relationship is unsatisfactory it will most likely end...to find a better match. Conclusion, pMoon in Libra will put a spotlight on your relationships. During this period a person should expect to start, end, or make stronger existing unions. In progressed Synastry pMoon conjunct nSun/nAsc is the aspect that attracts a couple. As seen in the pMoon in Libra example, pMoon conj nSun/nAsc is also the aspect present when couples break up. eg. Angeline Jolie vs Brad Pitt. Their union and separation perfectly illustrates what we're both saying. This is what makes Astrology an art, as well as an exact science. In the beginning: his pMoon in Cancer conjunct her nAsc in Cancer. At the end: her pMoon in Libra. His pMoon conjunct his nSun in Sagittarius. quote: know of two couples who are getting married July 8th with the Sun in Cancer and Moon in (detriment) Capricorn, both couples have Sun Conjunct Mars in Cancer (in fall) Square Uranus. If they waited a day or so they would be getting married with the same Cap Moon but it would be in mutual reception to Mars.
Shouldn't the Capricorn moon be strong enough to overrule the Full Moon aspect? I've noticed tMoon in Capricorn tends to grant a long and prosperous life to events started under it. IP: Logged |
hearttreasure Knowflake Posts: 1200 From: Registered: Jan 2015
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posted July 04, 2017 02:22 PM
This is scary.Yes. The time he broke up with his ex was when his pMoon conjunct her nSun/Moon/Venus/Pluto/Mercury. And her pMoon conjunct his nSun. And the time we broke up was when his pMoon conjunct my nAsc. My prog had no conjunction with his n. IP: Logged |
Nine Moderator Posts: 3924 From: The Cusp of Love Registered: May 2009
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posted July 04, 2017 08:51 PM
quote: Originally posted by hearttreasure: This is scary.Yes. The time he broke up with his ex was when his pMoon conjunct her nSun/Moon/Venus/Pluto/Mercury. And her pMoon conjunct his nSun. And the time we broke up was when his pMoon conjunct my nAsc. My prog had no conjunction with his n.
Isn't it. This is why I love astrology. IP: Logged |
Nine Moderator Posts: 3924 From: The Cusp of Love Registered: May 2009
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posted July 04, 2017 09:21 PM
Now to settle an old score: Madonna's true Rising SignNow that it's been established that attraction and separation share the same aspect (pMoon conj nAsc/nSun), figuring out a person's Ascendant will become fairly easy. Here is a photo to Paris Jackson. Many believe she has a striking resemblance to Madonna. Madonna's Asc, unknown. Paris's, Gemini. Curious. [img]won't post[img] Madonna has had three significant relationships in her life. These men were Sean Penn, Carlos Leon, Guy Ritchie. Let's see if the attraction/separation aspect (pMoon to nAsc/nSun) can shed light on what her Ascendant could possible be. Sean Penn is Sagittarius/Leo with nMoon in Cancer. At time of marriage his pMoon was in Gemini. Madonna's own pMoon at the time, Virgo. Guy Ritchie is Virgo with nMoon in Taurus. At time of marriage his pMoon was also in Gemini. Madonna's own pMoon at the time, Aries. Carlos Leon, father of Madonna's first child, is Cancer with nMoon in Aries. At the beginning of their relationship his pMoon was in Taurus, while Madonna's was in Capricorn. At the end of their relationship Carlos's pMoon was in Gemini. The evidence point to Madonna's unknown Ascendant being Gemini. Madonna herself isn't known for secrecy, however she was born on the 16th. In addition to being spiritual & musical #16 along with #7 are famous for mystery and intense privacy. This could explain why her time of birth is such a mystery.
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Nine Moderator Posts: 3924 From: The Cusp of Love Registered: May 2009
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posted July 04, 2017 10:03 PM
Another misconception I'd like to clear up, while we're here, is that a women is attracted to her Mars placement. Not exactly. Women are attracted to Mars in a man's chart. Since the conjunction aspect is the attraction aspect that would mean a man's Mars in conjunction to her nAsc/nSun or her identity placement.Madonna has the planet Mars in Taurus. The traditional view is that she should be attracted to Sun in Taurus males, or guys with Taurus qualities. However, her significant relationships reveal a different preference. Relationship #1 - Sean Penn has Mars in Gemini (Madonna's Asc). Relationship #2 - Carlos Leon has Mars in Gemini (Madonna's Asc). Relationship #3 - Guy Ritchie has Mars in Leo (Madonna's Sun). There you have it, the men Madonna were most attracted to were the ones who put their Mars on her Sun or Ascendant. IP: Logged |
GrlyGirl200 Knowflake Posts: 420 From: Registered: Jun 2012
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posted July 05, 2017 02:53 AM
quote: Originally posted by Nine: Shouldn't the Capricorn moon be strong enough to overrule the Full Moon aspect?I've noticed tMoon in Capricorn tends to grant a long and prosperous life to events started under it.
I don't think I've EVER heard that. In fact farmers would say that Capricorn Moon is an unfruitful time (ever read a Farmers Almanac?). Plus don't forget that it is a Moon position that is detriment, meaning it is LITERALLY the worst position for the Moon to be in. And I'm a natal Capricorn Moon, and I honestly can say Cap Moon anything (even Composite Moon) is TERRIBLE and doesn't make for happiness or feeling emotionally free. That is unless you want a marriage that is a business arraignment (think political marriages or marriages that both benefit). Trust me, it isn't a Moon you want ANYWHERE near something you want to be happy, prosperous, and fruitful. That would be a Taurus Moon. I actually want to get married on a Taurus Moon or Cancer Moon day, that way conflict and responsibility are handled, but don't become so overwhelming that they end up crushing any good feelings or happiness. I don't think I'd like a Libra Moon, it on the surface seems like a good idea, but it can skim the surface of conflict and really dealing with what it takes to be married and how much work it takes. IP: Logged |
Nine Moderator Posts: 3924 From: The Cusp of Love Registered: May 2009
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posted July 05, 2017 06:17 PM
^^ Say what? Capricorn is the sign of the Golden Age. I don't mess around with Cappy types, but Capricorn is the most fruitful sign of the zodiac. You won't get anything for free, but if you've put in the work, this is the sign that will keep paying you for years, and years into the future for seeds sown under its influence. In a world where the Moon is 100% good being in its detriment in Capricorn makes Cappy look bad. However the moon is not 100% good. The moon is moody, unruly, and unpredictable. This is why it is domiciled in Cancer. Cancer allows the moon to be its unpredictable self; sometimes sweet, sometimes violent. Capricorn doesn't allowed this vascillating behavior, thus the Moon is in its detriment here. In Capricorn the moon is consistent, focused, and driven, no more high tides, stormy seas, and flash floods. IP: Logged |
Orange Knowflake Posts: 7843 From: Georgia Registered: May 2009
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posted July 05, 2017 06:43 PM
In horary astrology , the moon cannot perform when it is void of course EXCEPT when the Moon is in Taurus, Sagittarius, Pisces, and Cancer, then it has the strength to "perform somehow", that is when the Moon currently occupies a sign where a benefic planet (Venus or Jupiter) is exalted or ruler, it can lead to a favorable outcome in selected cases. That's per William Lily. It seems Moon is the strongest in those signs.
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GrlyGirl200 Knowflake Posts: 420 From: Registered: Jun 2012
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posted July 05, 2017 07:41 PM
quote: Originally posted by Nine: ^^ Say what? Capricorn is the sign of the Golden Age. I don't mess around with Cappy types, but Capricorn is the most fruitful sign of the zodiac. You won't get anything for free, but if you've put in the work, this is the sign that will keep paying you for years, and years into the future for seeds sown under its influence. In a world where the Moon is 100% good being in its detriment in Capricorn makes Cappy look bad. However the moon is not 100% good. The moon is moody, unruly, and unpredictable. This is why it is domiciled in Cancer. Cancer allows the moon to be its unpredictable self; sometimes sweet, sometimes violent. Capricorn doesn't allowed this vascillating behavior, thus the Moon is in its detriment here. In Capricorn the moon is consistent, focused, and driven, no more high tides, stormy seas, and flash floods.
I really am not trying to be offensive in Horary astrology a Cap or Scorpio Moon is to be avoided (seriously look it up). All that you have mentioned is true, but Capricorn makes for one being tied not because they like or love something but because of duty and obligation. Which is typically avoided in personal relationships that we choose to be in. You will put in the work, but you'll be miserable and feel alone in the process. Trust me as a Cap Moon it is a bad and quite frankly painful Moon. There is nothing appealing about a Cap Moon, in anything relationship wise. Soft Saturn aspects yes can be appealing and offer stability, but I've literally stayed in miserable conditions while being very unhappy because of duty, security, and achievement. I embrace my Moon and it's position, because it's the only Moon I have...but I also have zero illusions that a Cap Moon is a good position to have or be at in general. IP: Logged |
EmGem Knowflake Posts: 2619 From: Registered: Jan 2015
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posted July 05, 2017 07:48 PM
My ex has a cap moon.No thanks. Never again. Noooooooo. IP: Logged |
racole12 Knowflake Posts: 1159 From: the world is my home! Registered: Feb 2010
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posted July 05, 2017 08:23 PM
You know, everytime I have a conjunction happening in progressed to natal prsynastry (with Sun/Venus or Venus/Mars) or sometimes Prog Sun to Venus or natal Sun to prog Venus in the composite my relationship ends... (and sometimes the opposition)... squares have not killed my relationships. lol. (which sucks... b/c I have had some really beautiful conjunctions starting to come in play (thinking the relationship would get better) and NOPE! lol. Sigh... IP: Logged |
Nine Moderator Posts: 3924 From: The Cusp of Love Registered: May 2009
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posted July 05, 2017 08:58 PM
quote: I really am not trying to be offensive in Horary astrology a Cap or Scorpio Moon is to be avoided (seriously look it up). All that you have mentioned is true, but Capricorn makes for one being tied not because they like or love something but because of duty and obligation. Which is typically avoided in personal relationships that we choose to be in. You will put in the work, but you'll be miserable and feel alone in the process.
I believe this. I was merely countering the point that Capricorn is an unfruitful sign. My pMoon in Capricorn while very productive was also quite depressing. One, because pMoon is attractive and I attracted primarily Capricorn types. quote: Trust me as a Cap Moon it is a bad and quite frankly painful Moon. There is nothing appealing about a Cap Moon, in anything relationship wise. Soft Saturn aspects yes can be appealing and offer stability, but I've literally stayed in miserable conditions while being very unhappy because of duty, security, and achievement. I embrace my Moon and it's position, because it's the only Moon I have...but I also have zero illusions that a Cap Moon is a good position to have or be at in general.
I'm sure there are some benefits to it. Perhaps someone who has had a full and carefree life would appreciate Capricorn energy once there ready to make a mark in the world. IP: Logged |
racole12 Knowflake Posts: 1159 From: the world is my home! Registered: Feb 2010
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posted July 05, 2017 09:14 PM
quote: Originally posted by Nine: Another misconception I'd like to clear up, while we're here, is that a women is attracted to her Mars placement. Not exactly. Women are attracted to Mars in a man's chart. Since the conjunction aspect is the attraction aspect that would mean a man's Mars in conjunction to her nAsc/nSun or her identity placement.Madonna has the planet Mars in Taurus. The traditional view is that she should be attracted to Sun in Taurus males, or guys with Taurus qualities. However, her significant relationships reveal a different preference. Relationship #1 - Sean Penn has Mars in Gemini (Madonna's Asc). Relationship #2 - Carlos Leon has Mars in Gemini (Madonna's Asc). Relationship #3 - Guy Ritchie has Mars in Leo (Madonna's Sun). There you have it, the men Madonna were most attracted to were the ones who put their Mars on her Sun or Ascendant.
I don't know if you are looking for outside info to this (with couples I know and their Mars synastry but here it is... I just looked through all my long- term relationships (I'm 38, so I have had 4)... this rule has never worked out for me... The closest I have to this rule...
1).Their Mars squ my Venus (but their Pluto squ my ASC/Mars) 2). Their Mars squ my ASC/Mars (my Mars is conj my DSC) 3). Their Mars squ my Sun 4). Their Mars opp my Sun
I also looked at my grandparents and parents and a couple of my married couples and this is what I found...
My Dad's Mars squ my mom's ASC My Grandpa's Mars opp my Grandma's Sun and Mars Couple 3: Male's Mars squ Female's Venus Male's Mars opp Female's Mars Couple 4: Male's Mars conj Female's Mars Male's Mars squ Female's ASC Couple 5: Male's Mars conj Female's Moon Couple 6: Male's Mars squ Female's Mars Couple 7: Male's Mars squ Female's Sun Couple 8: Male's Mars opp Female's Sun Male's Mars opp Female's Moon Couple 9: Male's Mars squ Female's Venus Couple 10: none Couple 11 Male's Mars opp Female's Moon Male's Mars squ Female's ASC Male's Mars squ Female's Sun Couple 12: Male's Mars squ Female's Mars Male's Mars squ Female's ASC Couple 13: none Couple 14: Male's Mars conj Female's Moon Couple 15: Male's Mars conj Female's Moon Male's Mars conj Female's Venus Couple 16: Male's Mars squ Female's Moon Male's Mars squ Female's ASC Absolutely no Male's Mars conj the Female's Sun or ASC... but I'm only giving 22 relationships... all of them married except the 4 of mine I gave... (but a few M Mars's conj Female's Moon or Venus)... and I was giving a 10 degree orb if I found one of the above couples with a Mars conj Sun or ASC (which is way too wide) but still didn't find one...
I saw way too many Venus in hard aspect to Sun, ASC, and Moon. and Mars in hard aspect to Pluto...
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Nine Moderator Posts: 3924 From: The Cusp of Love Registered: May 2009
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posted July 06, 2017 01:08 AM
THanks for sharing, Racole. Yes this is open to everyone to add.If you don't mind me asking, what was the Female Mars doing to the Male Sun/Asc? IP: Logged |
EmGem Knowflake Posts: 2619 From: Registered: Jan 2015
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posted July 06, 2017 01:22 AM
I was in a 10 year rel. my mars conjunct his asc. Married 2.5 years and divorced.And now a man and I insanely want each other and this time his mars conjuncts my ASC. Along with his whole stellium but anyway... if it helps. IP: Logged |
EmGem Knowflake Posts: 2619 From: Registered: Jan 2015
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posted July 06, 2017 01:42 AM
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Aries23Degrees Knowflake Posts: 8677 From: South Africa Registered: Dec 2012
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posted July 06, 2017 01:43 AM
Wow. So Mars in aspect to the personal planets is potent for attraction.I have always suspected this. Mars is the spirit within which one acts/does things. It is the conduct/ behavior/ method. Mars-Moon attractions run deep. The way the Mars person acts either stirs up the Moon person's insecurities or makes them feel safe. This could be why this is also called the "bullying" or domestic abuse aspect. It is not always necessarily the Mars person that acts violently, the moon person can retaliate with "look what you made me do. If you could stop acting like that I wouldn't do this" etc. Mars/Asc could be physical attraction /arousal /admiration. The role(Asc) the one plays in the external world has the other readily gravitate towards them(Mars). Again,it is not only the Asc person that is found to be the one who attracts. The Mars person acts in accordance to what the Asc person deems "proper" and with earnestness. Sometimes the two may find they compete with each other. I have so far thought the Libra 29 Degree was the dissolution/breakup of a relationship where the 29 Scorpio degree is the division of assets that were once shared. Aries 0 Degrees for me is new beginnings,childlike enthusiasm hopes and wishes. It is the falling "head over heels" aspect as it comes with a high dosage of openness and naivety. This is necessary to falling in love.
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