Lindaland
  Interpersonal Astrology
  Can a Sun square Uranus composite be helped by Saturn?

Post New Topic  Post A Reply
profile | register | preferences | faq

UBBFriend: Email This Page to Someone! next newest topic | next oldest topic
Author Topic:   Can a Sun square Uranus composite be helped by Saturn?
astrosaz
Knowflake

Posts: 109
From:
Registered: Mar 2015

posted July 05, 2017 04:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for astrosaz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was just watching the film 'Dead Man Walking' starring Susan Sarandon directed by her husband Tim Robbins, so I decided to take a look at their composite chart seeing as they were together 21 years.

(Gonna try post the chart here but photobucket doesn't seem to be working at the moment)

Uranus squares the Sun, Saturn, Neptune and Mercury. Saturn conjuncts the Sun, squares the moon and uranus but also sextiles mars and pluto.

I know Astrology isn't the 'be all and end all' but I just wanted to know do you think with enough Saturn contacts a Sun square Uranus composite can be leveled?

IP: Logged

GrlyGirl200
Knowflake

Posts: 331
From:
Registered: Jun 2012

posted July 05, 2017 05:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GrlyGirl200     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would say it can be helped. There would need to be a LOT of Saturn for it to work though. And as much as I don't like Saturn on the Sun or Moon...I actually think you need it (Pluto and Neptune nicely doesn't hurt either) when you have Uranus harsh aspects.

My reasoning for this is looking at some celebrity composites I noticed a large amount of Uranus present. Which makes sense as celebrities are not traditional people, nor do they typically engage in a traditional marriage. Most have Square and Oppositions. In each couple that stayed together they had an extensive amount of Saturn (harsh aspects). Tim Robbins and Susan Sarandon are an example of this (Neptune helped to ease the pressure of Saturn...Pluto does provide passion and transformation for better or worse).

Kelly Ripa and Mark Consualous are another example of this. They have Sun/Mer/Venus Square Uranus. BUT they have Moon Square Saturn, and Mars Opp Saturn. To ease the tension they have a nice Venus Opp/Con Sun (the Sun can be counted as Opp house) aspect. I'm sure this helps the tension a tremendous amount. But I bet the relationship is very much so hard work, and the reason they do it is because they actually like each other. I'm willing to bet that if they didn't have the Venus Sun aspect they would have ended.

What I will say is VERY rare (in terms of what I've noticed) is Uranus Conjunctions with the Sun (or multiple planets and staying together). Two examples of this are Katie Holmes and Tom Cruise (they had the Sun and Venus Conjunct Uranus). They also had both Conjunct Pluto. They also had the Sun Conjunct Venus. The funny thing is they DO NOT have ANY Saturn harshly aspecting anything. They have a nice Venus Saturn Sextile, but I happen to believe with such strong Uranus that wouldn't be enough.

Another couple with Uranus Conjunctions are Will Smith and Jada Pinkett. Another thing worth noting is Will and Tom are Scientologists. They litreally have Sun/Moon/Mer/Venus Conjunct Uranus. Sun and Mer are Conjunct Pluto. Saturn wise they have Mars Opp Saturn, Inconjunct Venus, and Sesquiquadrate Sun. They have a nice Moon Venus Conjunction, and Neptune Sexile Sun and Conjunct Mars. They have been honest to say it has been very difficult at times, but I'm willing to bet the Pluto passion, Neptune dreaminess, and Moon Venus Conjunction was enough to give them a reason to stay.

IP: Logged

astrosaz
Knowflake

Posts: 109
From:
Registered: Mar 2015

posted July 05, 2017 09:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for astrosaz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Those are such interesting examples I would never of had Kelly and Mark down for having those many uranus squares they seem solid as a rock and so loved up!

So maybe their negative uranus aspect energy plays out in terms of their career and being away a lot instead of impacting the homelife in a negative unstable way?

Even if for example a couple had sun and merc square uranus but was leveled with a mixture of saturn aspects, saturn opposing the moon (one I've seen a lot in composites), saturn squaring pluto, saturn trining merc and the sun that could maybe be enough glue/commitment to keep them together?

That's funny that you mention Jada and Will and the amount of Uranian energy they have. I was reading an article earlier about how they describe their relationship as being 'electric'the perfect word to describe uranus energy.

IP: Logged

todd
Knowflake

Posts: 1477
From:
Registered: Jun 2009

posted July 06, 2017 12:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for todd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think looking at celebrity composites does not always give insights that a "normal relationship" can emulate. Especially Hollywood celebrities. the sexual/social morales are so unlike what a regular person confronts that comparisons are not always valid.
then you must also consider that even their marriages are heavily influences by there Hollywood personal.

Hollywood is replete with "marriages" that were publicity stunts to conceal gay life styles.

I am not saying nothing can be gleaned from celebrity charts but you mustn't think you can judge normal composites by their composites across the board.

sun square Uranus is often found in "open " marriages, but most people are looking for a stable relationship rther than the option to jump between beds all the time
todd

IP: Logged

GrlyGirl200
Knowflake

Posts: 331
From:
Registered: Jun 2012

posted July 07, 2017 05:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GrlyGirl200     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by todd:
I think looking at celebrity composites does not always give insights that a "normal relationship" can emulate. Especially Hollywood celebrities. the sexual/social morales are so unlike what a regular person confronts that comparisons are not always valid.
then you must also consider that even their marriages are heavily influences by there Hollywood personal.

Hollywood is replete with "marriages" that were publicity stunts to conceal gay life styles.

I am not saying nothing can be gleaned from celebrity charts but you mustn't think you can judge normal composites by their composites across the board.

sun square Uranus is often found in "open " marriages, but most people are looking for a stable relationship rther than the option to jump between beds all the time
todd


OMG Todd...you are literally thinking what I was thinking. You are right most Hollywood couples are "open" because a big portion of them are not really in it for love (or they type that regular people want). The funny thing I noticed with the three couples I mentioned who have a Sun Uranus Conjunction along with Sun Pluto (implying that the actual nature of the relationship is not only private, intense, away from public eyes...is non traditional) was Will Smith and Jada, Tisha Campbell and Duane Martin (who is rumored to be Will Smith's lover), and finally Katie Holmes and Tom Cruise. Gay rumors fuel all three cases.

I have a general question for you though...you are right that Uranus in harsh aspects are not prone to doing the "traditional" thing. Which makes sense with the Square of Susan Sarandon and Kelly Ripa. Both couples are/were away from their partners for long periods of time, or lasted by not doing the traditional thing (in Susan Sarandon's case...in Kelly Ripa's case she married someone outside her race). Which is a hallmark of Uranus.

Anyway I went on a tangent. What would you say about a couple who has this prominently when it is Conjunct their Sun/Mer/Venus and Opp the Moon (The Sun and Venus are not Conjunct as they are not close enough for an orb). This couple dated for 8 years (are not interracial) before finally deciding to take the plunge, they are also in the midst of buying a house. How do you think a relationship with these features fares for the long term?

I should say I'm not one of those people who thinks Uranus as a major part of the Composite dooms a relationship. But I also realize that marriage in the traditional sense (and it's trappings) is not conducive to Uranian Composite charts long term...that is unless you LITERALLY are open to someone doing whatever they want. Also Todd would you consider a Square from Composite Sun to Uranus at 9 degrees to be within orb?

I also have a thought...is Uranus in Composite or Synastry easier (ie doesn't have the start stop motion or sudden ending) when there are noticeable societal differences between people that tend to make your relationship fly in the face of convention? For instance you're different races or ages etc.

IP: Logged

EmGem
Knowflake

Posts: 1917
From:
Registered: Jan 2015

posted July 07, 2017 08:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmGem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My friend is about to marry her Uranus square sun in the composite. Very committed and not an open rel. They've been together years but the start of the rel was long distance. They've lived together a while now. So yeah....it ain't always doom. It can work for uranian types.

IP: Logged

GrlyGirl200
Knowflake

Posts: 331
From:
Registered: Jun 2012

posted July 07, 2017 12:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GrlyGirl200     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by EmGem:
My friend is about to marry her Uranus square sun in the composite. Very committed and not an open rel. They've been together years but the start of the rel was long distance. They've lived together a while now. So yeah....it ain't always doom. It can work for uranian types.

Wait, EmGem wasn't your relationship heavily Uranian with a Square to the Sun and things stopped really gelling after making it legit or legal (ie married lol)?

I looked at a lot of Composites with friends and Composites of celebs who we know aren't bearding (or another term for gay) and I will say a big huge chunk of them (actually most) did not have Uranus tied up to the Sun or heavily as far as harsh placements go (even Gwyneth and Chris, Brad and Angie, and John and Yoko did not have harsh Uranus Sun). Obviously this makes sense that there would be Uranus aspects of some sort even positively aspected. The nature of being a celebrity is non traditional.

In regards to this couple (or couples who have harsh Uranus Sun aspects) does this couple have the Sun in aspect to Pluto and/or Saturn as well. One thing I noticed in the celeb couples who have this placement or strong Uranus is they have other mitigating factors that provide a glue of sorts. A nasty Sun Pluto or Moon Pluto Conjunction is harsh but vastly ups whatever feelings are present and makes you refuse to leave because of passion. Saturn is included to make someone not want to easily leave. The extreme amount of Saturn and Pluto involved suggests to me that you not only need the glue, but Pluto intensifies whatever feelings are there. So even if Uranian detachment and need for space takes place or over...you have that passion to fall back on. Literally every couple I mentioned in my above post had this present.

I'm rambling at this point lol.

IP: Logged

EmGem
Knowflake

Posts: 1917
From:
Registered: Jan 2015

posted July 07, 2017 08:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmGem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^^ no, we had lots of soft Uranus aspects in our composite with my marriage.
The couple i mentioned have a moon/Pluto conjunction in their composite too which is that glue yes! In fact so do I with the guy I've been talking about. Sun uranus sq and moon/Pluto conj.
The square can manifest in different way. As you've said, diff cultural backgrounds. Lots of travel for one partner, long distance etc..

IP: Logged

GrlyGirl200
Knowflake

Posts: 331
From:
Registered: Jun 2012

posted July 07, 2017 09:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GrlyGirl200     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by EmGem:
^^ no, we had lots of soft Uranus aspects in our composite with my marriage.
The couple i mentioned have a moon/Pluto conjunction in their composite too which is that glue yes! In fact so do I with the guy I've been talking about. Sun uranus sq and moon/Pluto conj.
The square can manifest in different way. As you've said, diff cultural backgrounds. Lots of travel for one partner, long distance etc..

Oh my! Wow this is crazy to notice. The Libra guy I'm sad about (ugh his wedding is tomorrow sniff sniff) and I have Sun very very loosely Square Uranus with a Sextile to both Pluto and Saturn. Moon wise we have the Moon Opp/Conjunct (it's in the Opp house) both Saturn and Pluto, Trine Neptune and the Sun. The only bad is there is a Conjunction of Mercury and Mars...both Square to Neptune.

Anyway so the moral of the story is that with strong Uranus in Composite you literally need for there to be heavy Pluto. I wonder what about relationships in which you lack the heavy Pluto aspects to the Sun or Moon and have Uranus strongly figured.

For instance lets say Katie and Tom with their chart minus the Pluto to intensify feelings. I ask because Libra guy is marrying a woman who he has Composite Sun/Mercury/Venus Conjunct Uranus and Moon Opp Uranus in the Composite with. There is no Pluto aspects (Opp house Scorpio Venus...but I've literally noticed placements don't count like aspects and houses...except for something I've noticed is the Composite Sun being in either a fixed sign or house).

There is Saturn (Square to Mars), and Moon Opp Sun. I know things can never be truly observed verses what is going on, but they don't travel and are buying a house. She did travel when they first got together (they were long distance which does fit the criteria). But she stopped to do grad school in the area recently. They are both the same race, and same working field (ie no large cultural background differences). And are not in an open relationship. I actually think they should go the route of Susan Sarandon and Tim Robbins and not get married, as I've noticed strong Uranus and tradition or marriage (minus either differences or distance) will implode. All in all I feel that their Composite aspects are GREAT and fun for dating (exciting)...not so much for marriage (esp when children enter the picture jeez). The strange thing is I happen to think my own bf and I have a great Compoiste for marriage...meh for dating lol.

IP: Logged

All times are Eastern Standard Time

next newest topic | next oldest topic

Administrative Options: Close Topic | Archive/Move | Delete Topic
Post New Topic  Post A Reply
Hop to:

Contact Us | Linda-Goodman.com

Copyright 2000-2017

Powered by Infopop www.infopop.com © 2000
Ultimate Bulletin Board 5.46a