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Venus De Milo
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posted August 22, 2010 01:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Venus De Milo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Does anyone have any experience with this?

I would like to know the relevance... for example, composite Saturn is exactly conjunct the natal Venus of someone I am interested in.

Composite Mars is conjunct his natal Moon, too.

I've always been taught that the most relevant aspects in a natal chart are those between each respective house ruler -- they will be felt the most. Prioritized then by which aspects are exact between planets.

I've started learning about horary astrology and learned that in an horary chart, any planet making a conjunction to a point in the natal chart of the querant or quesited, means the question/outcome is especially important to them. Is there a similar conclusion or relevance when a planet in the composite chart conjuncts the natal of one of the people in it?

All feedback and ideas appreciated! Thanks!

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posted August 22, 2010 09:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for comica23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think that the aspects between a composite chart and someone's chart can show how this relationship affects and is perceived by this person. I've tried to check this with me and my bf's composite and our natal charts, and I think that it's quite relevant.

House rulers can be meaningful, coz they carry the theme of the houses they rule. Like in a natal chart for example, someone with Libra AC would often show or focus more their Venus than other planets' themes.

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posted August 22, 2010 08:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for raspberri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Composit Mars is conjunct my Venus/Mercury.

Composite Moon conjuncts my NN exact.

Composite NN conjuncts my DSC exact.

Composite ASC conjunct his IC.

These just off the top of my head... it's important. It shows how the realtionships affects the development of the birth chart individual.

With composite NN on my DSC, there better be a marriage out of this relationship Especially since it's trine Composite Saturn.

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posted August 22, 2010 10:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Venus De Milo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Raspberri, how do you personally feel those aspects affect your perception of the relationship?

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posted August 22, 2010 10:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for raspberri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well his person is the love of my life sooo... I view the relationship as more important than any other one I've ever had. I won't even allow any one to have a chance with me because I chose him when we first met and I still feel the same today.

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posted August 23, 2010 07:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I usually see at least two tight conjunctions (within 2*) in my own relationships if it comes to the comparison of natal personal planets/points to Composite planets/points.

Currently this;

- My Mars exactly conjunct C. descendant.
- His Venus exactly conjunct C. descedant.
(effect of venus/mars conj. in synastry)

So, the "passion" we share (in synastry) in tune with wat we (do want to) attract in others?
Well, what I do notice is that we are a very attractive couple to others, people like (to be with) us, like to share their passion/love/thoughts/pain with us and we are totally open for it, without any limits.
My Mars (energy-level) is much in tune with the leading role it plays in that area, so is his 'less powerful' (seen through Mars' eyes) and more quiet Venus.

(to put a finger on a description)

- His Moon conjunct C. Sun

This must be a nice one, his emotions in tune with the heart of OUR BEING?

- His S/M midpoint exactly on C. Mars

OUR energy-level must sound pretty familiar to him.


His planet/points are more affected than mine which I can sort of confirm in feeling.

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posted August 23, 2010 11:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Venus De Milo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Mir! Thank you! That was really helpful!

Its interesting, because we have so much Saturn in our synastry and I know it freaks me out, but he seems OK with it and he has Saturn conjunct the Sun (both in Leo) in his natal chart.

Now I look here and he also his composite Saturn conjunct his Natal Venus.

I don't really have any tight conjunctions from the compsite to my natal, however the C. Pluto/Venus conjunction is conjunct my natal Pluto.

I'm still very unclear on his ASC -- I actually asked him his birth time finally and he has no idea, lol. But I'm pretty certain it is either Taurus or Cancer because since getting to know him, I'm sure he is a Scorpio Moon (as opposed to Sag) and to have a Scorpio Moon, he has to be born within midnight to 4am... possible ASC is Taurus/Gemini/Cancer... he is a very stoic, intelligent, stubborn, sensitive chef.... not very talkative at all. So I think we can safely rule a Gemini ASC OUT, haha.

My best friend is a Gemini ASC and he comes off nothing like her! I'm leaning towards Taurus for him, but Cancer is a possibility.

I'm still pressing him to ask his mother for his birth time though. It leaves a lot of question marks in synastry and the composite and its driving me nuts!!!

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posted August 24, 2010 02:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Contacts from the composite to the natal have a lot of relevance, I tend to stick just to conj opp and squares within a limited orb, sometimes trines too. The conjunctions, especially, are like little tethers that grab out and directly say to the person effected that there is meaning here beyond the norm. Conjunctions to personal planets are of main importance and most easily felt.
For example, c.Venus conj n.Sun, the Sun person will tend to feel much better about themselves and have their ego boosted as part of their direct experience with the relationship..in working terms you could say that the relationship brings them a natal Sun/Venus conjunction as a metaphor, it's not -exactly- the same as it being in a natal but a lot of the ideas would hold true, for instance the relationship may push that person to tap into creative abilities. But of course you would have to evaluate it based on how their natal planet is aspected in their own chart.
With composite Saturn conj their Venus, I suspect it would lean toward being a positive if their natal Venus is in tune with that energy, as in not afraid of what Saturn might bring. If that Venus is in the 9th conjunct Uranus then it could bring some issues that that person would need to deal with.
But, yea, I always look at natal contacts to composites, esp. the conjunctions.
Another meaningful contact tends to be composite Sun or Moon conj the Sun/Moon midpoint of one or both partners.
Another important factor is where does the composite Sun fall in each person's natal chart (house) and how it's aspected.

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posted August 24, 2010 08:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Venus De Milo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
From Cafe Astrology:

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I look to see if any of the personal composite planet/point positions conjunct the individuals' personal planets and points. For example, if the composite Sun is at 22 degrees Virgo, and one of the individuals has Moon at 20-24 degrees Virgo. If there are 2 or more of these, I consider them powerful signs that the relationship will be a meaningful one. If only one of the individuals receives these aspects, this can be a sign that that person is more attached to the relationship than his/her partner.

http://www.cafeastrology.com/compositechart.html (at the bottom)

Lonake, thanks for that! I played around with his ASC and settled on something that makes him a Taurus ASC and makes the composite chart a Leo ASC which I think fits us very well as a couple, much more so than C. Cancer ASC.

Interestingly, this C. Leo ASC is conjunct my natal Sun/Mars opposite Jupiter... and the DC sits on my natal Pluto... and is conjunct c. Pluto & Venus.

The c. moon in this chart sits exactly on my natal Venus/Neptune conjunction in Sag.

Gosh, I wish I really knew exactly what his damn birth time was for sure! LOL

I think this is the most correct because it gives him a late Scorpio Moon, Taurus ASC and it makes the composite ASC fit perfectly where-as c.Cancer ASC wasn't necessarily wrong it just didn't have that "OMG YES THATS IT!" click to it, if you know what I mean.

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posted August 24, 2010 11:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Keep pressing...

Look at me, I did it for weeeeks, then for one whole week he made me think it was a 2:25 AM -thing instead of PM (almost couldn't believe that) and even when his mom confirmed PM (not to me) I still wasn't conviNCED
Finally I saw my proof hanging on a wall above his guest bed, two lovely little clock pointers painted on a birth pic.
He must have felt stupid as he couldn't decipher A- or PM... nice cause of confusion

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posted August 24, 2010 07:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Venus De Milo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mir, I am just lucky that the day he was born he could have either been a Scorpio Moon or a Sag Moon... and he's so broody and quiet and seemingly as deep as a well and INTENSE (and definitely not open and talkative) that it just seems like a no brainer that he's a Scorpio Moon.

So that narrows it down to 3 hours of the day, at least! And only 3 possible ascendant signs. Haha. Phew. It could have been worse!

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posted August 25, 2010 06:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think the Asc comes out so clearly when we're upset with strangers, the kind of contact where you know more likely than not you're not gonna have a chance to think of any other comeback than what you can think up right now. The Asc to me seems like the most basic 'first response' that we can get. You don't think of 'being' your Asc, you just are, you could try to take off the mask but it'd snap right back into place cos it's the essential filter of the chart, everything that's you comes out through the Asc.

Just pay special attention to the responses he has where he won't have time to think about it, and gather em up and see which one of the 3 fits best.

How people act in 'brand new situations' is also another key. If he's going to a wedding or some other big function and he doesn't know anyone there expect for one person, you, what does he rely on to get into the swing of things? For example Libra would act 'gracious' not overly sweet/charming but polite and proper, respectful, etc. The catch is, from what I've noticed, that the brand new situation has to be a place where they want to be, otherwise their Moon is likely to take over, because the Moon's needs are not being met, they just don't feel like doing this right now, so the Asc then tends to express itself in a twisted form.

Just an idea..there are others floating around, such as comparing pictures to those in AstroFaces.com, etc.

the best is time of birth written down accurately
the next is specialized rectification
the least is psycho-sleuthing it out like we're doing, but I think it's sorta fun, too

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posted August 26, 2010 07:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Venus De Milo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lonake, I think that's true! I am a Libra Rising and in new situations I want to be in, I'm a people pleaser, charming to a fault (trying to rein in the "trying too hard" thing in those situations and very gracious and inclusive... if its a new situation I don't want to be in or unsure of, my Capricorn Moon comes out. I am very reserved and closed off. I can come off as abrasive AND highly strung.

The Leo is EXTREMELY stubborn. So I was gonna say, more evidence for Taurus Rising, but if I'm right, then he's a Taurus/Leo/Scorpio... ALL FIXED SIGNS!!!

Best case scenario, he's just Leo/Scorpio... which is still intense, proud and stubborn as hell.

So I don't know

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posted August 26, 2010 05:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Leo & Scorpio can have a huge ego, Taurus might tone that down a bit as it's a steadying influence. Doesn't sound too bad

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posted August 28, 2010 05:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Venus De Milo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
he has some very wonderful qualities... very intelligent and intellectual, articulate and creative... but he can be very obstinate and tends to dig his heels in LIKE WHOOOAAAH!!! man, i thought i was stubborn! he's on a whole other level.

not sure if you recall bits of the story (or at all), but we dated last year and i left the country for awhile... back in march he asked me to come live with him when i get back and to come back sooner if possible...

well, i had business to take care of and also needed money. i wasn't about to go there empty handed.

but now, in about a month, i'm going to "visit" him with an open ended date to leave, if i leave at all. we will see!!!

the attraction and chemistry between us is incredible, like nothing i've ever experienced. but we have communication issues i'm hoping will improve when we are back to dealing with each other in person.

communication is a big deal, so i dont know if we can overcome it. i hope we can. but at the same time, this thing is too strong and meeting someone you're so intensely attracted to in every way IMMEDIATELY, pretty much never happens... and then for it to be reciprocal is pretty amazing!!!

so i have no choice, despite any misgivings, but to see it out.

to be clear, i have no misgivings about his character. he seems like a very genuine, gentle, creative soul... but this communication business is a problem and pretty critical to the success of any relationship, romantic or otherwise. i'm not kidding myself about that!!!

we will see

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posted August 28, 2010 07:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm crazy, I'd go for it.
The really strong attractions always teach me something about what I need/want.
So if it didn't work out, I'd take that with me after I've tumbled over the heartbreak and the next relationship would be even better.

Best wishes

The best thing about stubborn people is that they tend not to be 'boring' as they have strong personalities.
One of my closest friends is a Taurus/Leo, another is an Aquarius/Taurus. But they don't get along with each other

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posted January 31, 2014 01:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 8ofHearts     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted August 06, 2017 10:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 8ofHearts     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bumping this super old thread.
Lonake, I just met someone and we clicked right away. (not in a physical attraction way but just a warm, happy way.)
When I talked to him on the phone - I remember liking his voice. When I met him in person, he kind of lit up when he saw me which was adorable & I was surprised also. (I was considering hiring him for a job, taking bids and remember thinking "not sure I want to hire him, I'd rather hang out with him!") Sure enough, I ended up going with someone else due to cost and schedule but he was extremely helpful to me anyway even knowing he likely wasn't getting the job. Even though he was booked 2 months straight, he cleared his schedule to make room for me. When he found out he didn't get the job, He texted me later saying "it was great to meet you, i love your energy. we'll talk again..." and I knew it wasn't just me... ;}

'Course I got to astro-stalking and found out his Venus is exactly conjunct our composite Sun. Likewise, Composite Venus is conjunct my natal Sun (orb 2.)
In addition: Composite Sun is conjunct his Sun/Moon midpoint (His So/Mo = Venus) and Composite Moon is conjunct MY Sun/Moon midpoint, Mercury/Uranus and his Jupiter.
Composite Pluto is exactly on my ASC and possibly his Moon?
Composite North Node is conjunct my Jupiter.
Composite Jupiter is conjunct my Juno/Ceres.

In all of my relationships, some with true love stelliums, I've never seen so many direct connections from the composite back to the natal on each side. I was really taken aback. Who knows what it all means - he could very well be involved - but I was really in a jam on this project and this guys going out of his way to help me went a long way toward making me feel great after a very tough month!

I've heard it's good - if romantic- for the man's Venus to be conjunct the C. Sun or Moon. Have you found that to be the case? My Dad's Venus is conjunct my parent's C. Sun/Mercury and Juno and opp Mars. The composite Moon is exactly conj My Mom's Venus. (they've been married 55 years.) ;}

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posted August 06, 2017 11:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Moving to Interpersonal Astrology.

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