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venuscorpio86
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posted February 23, 2013 03:40 AM
 
I am absolutely fascinated by this aspect in synastry. In a relationship,etc. Anyone have any interesting stories or experiences with this aspect? I would love to hear them! Also, who do you think is obsessed with whom or more attracted to whom? Does it go both ways? IP: Logged |
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posted February 23, 2013 05:53 AM
I don't have much experience with this aspect in synastry.But when someone has Venus/Pluto in the natal, especially the opposition (for some reason), chances are, I'm gonna be attracted to them in a very weird, deep, almost mystical way. I've read it's because I have Mars/Pluto so there's often a pull between the two, being Plutonian and all. What I do know.. is that Venus/Pluto people often have a magnetic vibe about them, it seems that they can hardly go unnoticed. People either like them and are fascinated by them or they ignite strong negative reactions. That's what I've noticed, not sure it applies to everyone (mostly the hard aspects imo).
But in synastry, usually the Venus person is the more infatuated one, and the more obsessive one. And depending on the aspect, the connection can quickly turn ugly: the feelings/emotions are so strong that it's hard to be "reasonable" or "logical" when it comes to that particular person, you just start acting/feeling crazy. Venus/Pluto aspects have a way of triggering lots of insecurities and past conditioning reflexes (fear of abandonment, feelings of worthlessness, etc) which can easily make someone act "mental" (manipulative, controlling, jealous, abusive).
Very binding, but also very destructive.
These relationships often don't last, because they come into our lives so that we can become aware of internal/subconscious reactions that are unhealthy and that need "transformation" and purification (Pluto). Of course the most effective way for this to happen is to meet someone, fall in love with them (Venus) and baaaam! the process starts: Venus meets Pluto, and has to change and evolve, or be destroyed and left broken.
The attraction and sexual tension is strong, in order to ensure that the two people actually "connect" together in a basic, primal way. Because if there's no attraction, there's no potential for a life-changing connection or relationship. In my opinion.. it takes two *very* healthy individuals to "survive" the hard aspects (opp & sq especially). And if one of them has a hard aspect natally, it's probably gonna be more difficult if that person hasn't yet resolved their own issues when it comes to love. They'll bring all their repressed ideas/feelings to the table, and both people will have to work through them.. Not easy.
..But oh, how fascinating!
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posted February 23, 2013 06:13 AM
What do you guys think of Venus sextile Pluto in synastry? Would it just be sexual attraction or something stronger as seen in the conjunction?IP: Logged |
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posted February 23, 2013 06:35 AM
I've never had it but generally speaking, the flowing aspects are less intense but also less problematic.I think it would add some depth and intensity and attraction, but not as obvious and insistent as the hard aspects. It's a supportive aspect.. so it's pretty good! IP: Logged |
venuscorpio86
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posted February 23, 2013 06:49 AM
Ya, pluto/venus aspects fascinate me - I never want a relationship where there isn't one. For example, I can date the most HANDSOME guy, but if for some reason there isn't that bang,boom attraction strong feelings from 1st moment we meet, I have no interest in that person,nor do I want to wait and see if we develop into a relationship. My last situation was - Me venus/pluto conjunction. Venus(me) conj pluto (him) in synastry. He also had his venus opp. pluto natally. Synastry he had his pluto opp my venus. You can imagine how our relationship was...we also had mars trine pluto (both of us). Venus/mars in synastry as well.... IP: Logged |
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posted February 23, 2013 07:06 AM
My pluto sextile his venus and mars (it touches his other planets too). His pluto also touches a few of my planets. We have venus/mars in synastry. I have pluto sextile venus and Pluto opposition mars natally.
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venuscorpio86
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posted February 23, 2013 07:17 AM
12muddyWow, interesting story...these aspects are something else - I love the person I have these with however I don't think there is any hope for us  I miss him so much, we didn't throw things,I just was very verbally over the top abusive I didn't mean the things I said, It was in anger he got to point of saying ugly things as well...we both used said things to try tearing eachother apart...Its hard for someone who isn't in this situation to understand how it looks crazy,its volatile but the love passion that flows as well... IP: Logged |
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posted February 23, 2013 07:45 AM
Wish you all the best =) it takes a lot of work. I hope it works out for you and that person. Do you have any Saturn aspect with that person ? I’ve read somewhere that Saturn in synastry is very binding, people who have such aspects in synastry will often be together for the long run, for better or worse.
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venuscorpio86
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posted February 23, 2013 08:11 AM
My Saturn in his 5th house. His Saturn in my 10th house, I don't know if that means anything. We have my uranus conjunct his saturn...thats the only aspect I see
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posted February 23, 2013 09:18 AM
interesting thread!i like a guy whose mars and pluto is SQUARED my venus. id always read though that in synastry the person with pluto acts in a plutonian way and teh venus person acts in a venusian way so surely the pluto person (ie him) would be more obsessive than me no? IP: Logged |
venuscorpio86
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posted February 23, 2013 09:24 AM
sharpeithat is my thinking as well in regards to whom acts as what IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted February 23, 2013 10:05 AM
"Venus-Pluto: "You want a love that consumes you, you want passion and a little bit of danger."
Posted by - Julie O'Mahoney
The above quote on the title of this post is taken from an episode of the Vampire Diaries it was something Damon said to Elena in describing what kind of love he thought she was looking for. It struck me how Plutonian it sounded and it's not just Venus-Pluto aspects that feel this kind of consuming passion. Astrologers also look at Pluto aspecting the luminaries (Sun and Moon) or Pluto placed in the 5th, 7th or 8th house. Astrologer Carol Rushman says that these kinds of contacts in romance can consume you in an almost damaging way, as this kind of obsession can become the single focus of your life, so other areas of your life may suffer and be neglected.
When Pluto focuses upon something so intently it can take away energy from other areas of our lives. Another aspect of Plutonian love is that it is incredibly hard to be detached and objective and it's in the area of love that we find deep and embedded feelings, some which are complex. I initially thought it was only the hard aspects that overexposed themselves expressing a Plutonian love. However the trine aspect between Venus and Pluto is also highly significant. For example, take the author of "The Dangerous Passion: Why Jealousy is as Necessary as Love and Sex" and in his horoscope we find the Sun is conjunct Venus and forms a trine to Pluto.
I have written posts on Sun-Pluto's innate nature to be the psychologist to dig and to delve into what's really underneath. What really is behind the facade, pretence and the public masks we wear. The author of the book has spent some years researching this subject and I have read the entirety of the work and some parts I am in agreement with and others not so much. I think he is right that jealousy shouldn't be tagged as a basic emotion and that it is also not some neurotic disorder. As an owner of a Venus square Pluto I do like my man to have moments of jealousy and it makes me feel more loved and desired. However I still feel there are dangers of eliciting this kind of emotion and pushing the boundaries too far.
I was writing about another Venus trine Pluto individual and I checked out his chart and found a near exact aspect between these two planets. The 'Moves Like Jagger' Singer Adam Levine and his horoscope explains a lot about the music in general. Take a look on what I had written about him in the quote below: It wouldn't be a wrong observation to say that there are umpteen songs written by Adam about passionate love or passionate hate. You see love and hate is where Adam seems to go on each record. The singer possesses an amorous disposition a heavy and ardent approach to women, swaying between seeing her as his next love obsession and then switching to powerful feelings of regret, letting go, and staying back in control. The whole affair is filled with so much complexity that he seems comfortable in this place now. The difficult aspects are still considered to be hard candy and still perhaps a little more complex in nature, but I 'll keep taking study notes on this subject and add further insights in future posts. If we take a look at some of Lana Del Reys video's we might raise our quizical eyebrows and feel that there is something Plutonian going on. By the look of her video's she is taking a degree this time around on the Venus square Pluto aspect. Many of the subjects touch upon Plutonic taboos in society and features some uneasy moments and she always falls in love with the bad boy. The Born to Die music vid shows her sexually flirting with her boyfriend, going on a car ride that ends in her death, but the singer says the song is a homage to true love. Lana has Venus in the royal sign of Leo square to Pluto in Scorpio. These two signs are the most dramatic of the zodiac. The video is set in a palace and this suits her regal Venus. Lana always gets A+ for her acting skills. Venus-Pluto aspects are drawn to fated and often difficult attractions, and there may be a lot of emotional and psychological complexes that keep her from a love that is more simple. It should be warned to Venus-Pluto lovers that boundaries will be crossed that are uncomfortable. These individuals want the totality of love and nothing less will do. I need to walk in a sticky area regarding this topic and state that Venus-Pluto people will often provoke a lover into expressing the darker side of their nature, and this is a passion that's driven to the very edge=====. The discussion in this article contains mostly the heavier themes, and Plutoinian love cannot always be like this all the time. We can be in a comfortable relationship, have a nice family and a white picket fence, but... "Sometimes you want a love that is consuming, you want passion and a little bit of danger.""
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Ceridwen
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posted February 23, 2013 10:08 AM
sorry, I wanted to post THIS one:"Venus-Pluto Synastry
Posted by - Julie O'Mahoney
The Venus person embodies the qualities of grace, charm and beauty which activates very powerful and intense emotions from the Plutonian individual. Pluto’s intensity is often attractive to Venus, and creates a powerful sexual chemistry between the couple, even with the difficult aspects. With all Pluto contacts in synastry, there will always be a struggle for dominance and control. Pluto destroys whatever challenges its survival. Yet, Pluto can also make Venus feel loved and valued, but can also be too intrusive, and their intensity can be rather disturbing.The Pluto person often makes the Venus person much more aware of their inner-values and feelings of self-worth. When Venus and Pluto form a harmonious connection in the synastry chart it often signifies ease in opening up psychologically to the partner and a deepening of values in the union. When someone's Pluto forms a connection to our Venus, love is intensified and potent. Venus may even enjoy the exclusive attention of Pluto. The bond has a feeling of being destined, but if the Venus person doesn’t reciprocate the same feelings towards their partner, the Pluto individual tends to take their feelings of intensity up a notch until they receive the desired response. Venus conjunct, opposite or square Pluto may create great insecurity in the way these two people interact. Let’s face it, Pluto doesn’t take rejection lightly and refusing his or her advances only creates further resentment; feelings of jealousy and possessiveness can surface in the relationship and take over. Taking the Relationship to Another Level Pluto can have a compulsive attraction to Venus, but sometimes this is a repressive influence and one partner may feel coerced and intimidated into being loving and affectionate. It may result in increased levels of threats and greater emotional dominance. Pluto is all about psychological truth and will keep digging and digging until he/she receives the depth of affection required from Venus. This level of intensity can be exhausting for both partners. Pluto has the ability to penetrate and degrade the love nature of Venus, and infidelities will not likely be tolerated. Still, Pluto can regenerate and transform the partner, creating an enduring bond, and in general, Venus-Pluto contacts between a couple brings about change and growth in both partners. Still, this contact may encourage mutual debt, addictions, and compulsions in a relationship, and compromise is often difficult, and this could easily turn into a love-hate kind of union. Uneasy Love Obsession The unconscious manipulative manner of the Pluto person often destroys Venus’ affections. Equally Venus’ over-superficial attitude to the relationship builds up resentment in the Pluto person. Pluto interactions can ignite a striking fascination or uneasy love obsession. The Pluto individual is not easily satisfied and it’s all or nothing and so breaking the bond is never easy, and extremes of emotion will surface. It’s unlikely these two can ever remain “just friends” as the relationship is hard to forget. The relationship often begins out very charming, sweet and passionate, but there is always s simmering heat underneath this interaction, and it may turn smothering, manipulative and violent. In fact, the Venus person may believe they are all sweetness and light in this interaction, but he or she also has to look at how they respond and whether or not they seduce the Pluto individual into a jealous rage on purpose. Venus loves some of the intensity; especially it makes her feel more beautiful, valued and loved. For some, it makes the relationship more exciting, desirable and sexually driven. However, Pluto’s reactions often just scare Venus, and Pluto tends to dredge up everything. The contact is sometimes found in a relationship of unrequited love, and one that it is very much one sided. The Pluto person doesn’t want to share Venus, so there is a level of pleasure and pain here. There is also healing and transformation that can occur if the bond is allowed to reach a deep enough level."
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posted February 23, 2013 10:22 AM
and this one:"The Astrology of Obsession
January 11, 2011 by Nadia Gilchrist 26 Comments
We’ve all met people who have hooked us so completely that it felt like we were addicted. When these feelings are reciprocated it can be heavenly and overwhelming. When the feelings are unrequited, it can feel like a special corner of Hell reserved just for us.
Either way, the potential for romantic obsession can be seen in the synastry between two people. As always, everything goes back to the natal charts and the existing emotional make-up of each person. But there are certain synastric aspects that can lead to the kind of intense attachment that spirals out of control.
Pluto and Venus
When one person’s Pluto (control) hits another person’s Venus (attraction), a dynamic of intense revelation is set up. Although the feelings can go both ways, it is usually the Pluto person who experiences the urge to move in and control. The Venus person can feel magnetized, but it’s the Pluto person who is dominant. The easy aspects (trine and sextile) will add some depth and passion to the relationship. It’s the hard aspects (conjunction, opposition and square) that get people into trouble.
Rita has a Scorpio Moon, so Pluto (the ruler of Scorpio) is highly personalized in her chart. Along comes Ryan with his Venus conjunct her Pluto. The way he relates (Venus) to her triggers Rita’s need (Moon) to control and experience things on a deep level (Pluto). She develops a fascination with Ryan and wants to immerse herself in him. He may respond with a blend of attraction and uneasiness (depending on how comfortable he is with Scorpio energy). She pushes past any boundaries he has, because in order to feel safe, she needs to peer into every corner of his life. He can’t hurt her if she knows everything about him. If she’s not careful, Ryan can start to feel like a bug under a microscope.
Pluto opposite Venus can be even more problematic. Let’s say Ned has Pluto conjunct his Sun in Virgo. His drive for perfection (Virgo) is amplified by Pluto, so he is on a never-ending quest to transform himself into someone better. He meets Jeanine, who has Venus in vague, dreamy Pisces. He knows that he can transform her into his ideal partner. He has helpful suggestions on how she should dress, what she should eat, drink and read. The more he tries to “help” her, the more she pulls away. Eventually she becomes frightened and cuts off all contact. Whether or not he gives up at this point depends on his control over his Pluto energies. He’ll push himself to his limit because Pluto transforms through intensity. To Ned, it’s not worthwhile unless he’s going down in flames.
Neptune
Neptune is fantastic at creating something out of nothing. Let’s say a female celebrity (we’ll call her Bijou) has Neptune on her Ascendant. Neptune obscures who she really is and creates a canvas that people can project their fantasies onto. Not everyone is going to become obsessed, but her Neptune will hit certain people in vulnerable places.
Josh has a Moon/Saturn opposition in his chart. He has always felt unloved (maybe his mother abandoned him). Bijou’s Neptune touches this sore spot by forming a square to his Moon and Saturn. A square aspect indicates conflict between Josh’s unfulfilled needs and what Bijou can offer him. He knows that she’s his soulmate and that if they ever met, she would recognize him instantly. He’s created detailed fantasies where he replays the moment their eyes meet and they both feel that surge of electricity. This doesn’t have to get to the point of full-blown stalking: he may just fantasize about her (a lot) or watch her movies every night. The illusion she presents triggers his need for emotional sustenance. What makes it addictive is that it feels too good to let go.
In the synastry between two people within an actual relationship, trines and sextiles to Neptune can add a glow of romance with a sprinkle of idealism. Hard aspects between one person’s Neptune and another’s personal planets can change romance to delusion. For example, Karen has Neptune conjunct Jupiter in her 11th house (friends and groups). Jupiter, which expands whatever it touches, really goes to town on her Neptune and increases her ability to fantasize. Karen is friends with Rick and his Mars is conjunct her Neptune. The literal interpretation is that she wants him to be more than friends.
Rick doesn’t see Karen as anything more than a drinking buddy, but she’s not going to let reality get in her way. She sees him as her ideal lover and knows that on some level he feels the same way. They’ve never been alone together, but she understands the looks he gives her when they’re out with their friends. She knows he’s scared of being hurt, which is why he hasn’t confessed his feelings for her (yet). One day, Karen’s Neptune may be activated by a powerful transit and she may tell him how she feels. Or she may say nothing and cling to this fantasy for the rest of her life.
These are extreme examples. Your Venus opposite someone’s Pluto or their Moon square your Neptune does not automatically equal obsession. The natal chart needs to imply this behaviour and the rest of the synastric contacts need to create some sort of draw. But when Venus/Pluto or Neptune/personal planet contacts occur, it’s a good idea to take a closer look. In small doses they can take a relationship to the next level, but in larger amounts they can push things over the edge."
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posted February 23, 2013 11:03 AM
I have a question about me and someone I care for:I have my venus(scorpio) conj pluto(scorpio)
He has venus(taurus) opp. pluto (scorpio) Synastry:
His pluto (scorpio) conjuncts my venus (scorpio)
My venus(scorpio) opposite his pluto (scorpio) We also have sun trine mars, mars trine pluto mutually aspecting one another. How do you think this goes? In my opinion,its very interesting synastry I know very little but, it seems interesting or I may just be biased since it is ours  lol IP: Logged |
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posted February 23, 2013 12:22 PM
This one's a doozy..how do you think this plays out?I have venus trine pluto and mars sextile pluto natally.
He has moon quintile, venus inconjunct, mars square pluto natally. The synastry is very plutoian..venus trine, moon quintile and mars square pluto. One top of that, we have hard neptune aspects to moon and venus.. ..the deepest, most passionate, frightening connection I've ever had with someone..the love/hate, power plays, can't let them go feeling is right on the money. IP: Logged |
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posted February 23, 2013 12:28 PM
so weird the connection i had deeper than any other had no real synastry....IP: Logged |
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posted February 23, 2013 12:29 PM
@ceridwen Great articles! I haven't had experience with Venus/Pluto aspects in relationships (well...I'm sure I have because of what I bring to them with my natal chart, but I've never generated a synastry chart for any of my relationships), but I have Venus conjunct Pluto in 8H (Scorpio). This "obsessive" aspect and Venus being in detriment, along with everything all neatly (I use this term loosely, haha) wrapped up in the house of sex ruled by Scorpio is....well, let's say I'm probably not the easiest person to be in a relationship. I have both high and deep expectations and ideas of what the meaning of a "relationship" entails: there HAS to be fiery, physical passion, like mindblowingly off the charts magnetic pull to one another, but this has to be equally as intense as intellectual connection for me...you have to "get" me and I HAVE to understand you....in fact I need to know everything about you. EVERYTHING. Thanks Pluto, haha.IP: Logged |
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posted February 23, 2013 01:19 PM
my bf and i have venus conjunct pluto exact. it's obsessive and passionate and it hits you the minute you meet the person. it's just fascinating. we also have venus trine pluto but at a larger orb, 5 degrees. as the venus in the conjunction i just want him to the point of madness and it seems that he has the power, as the pluto person. it's just really dangerous on some level because the feelings often feel out of your control and the aspect can easily draw you towards someone who isn't who you were originally looking for. and it's very hard to break free of the person, it's like you're just magnetized to one another.IP: Logged |
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posted February 23, 2013 01:55 PM
In my last relationship we had alot of Pluto and Neptune contacts.Obssessive?..........Yup  What I've learned is that,even the trines to pluto can turn into love/hate. IP: Logged |
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posted February 23, 2013 04:13 PM
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Originally posted by sharpei:
interesting thread!i like a guy whose mars and pluto is SQUARED my venus. id always read though that in synastry the person with pluto acts in a plutonian way and teh venus person acts in a venusian way so surely the pluto person (ie him) would be more obsessive than me no?
it can be either way. i am the pluto and the mars sq his venus and imho he was more obsessed. however there is no quantitative way of measuring. i agree with what doux reve wrote. i also have mars-pluto natally and i generally find venus-pluto adorable in others. but, i don't think i have ever been the venus in synastry. IP: Logged |
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posted February 23, 2013 06:03 PM
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Originally posted by sharpei:
interesting thread!i like a guy whose mars and pluto is SQUARED my venus. id always read though that in synastry the person with pluto acts in a plutonian way and teh venus person acts in a venusian way so surely the pluto person (ie him) would be more obsessive than me no?
i think venus is more obsessed - the pluto person is more obsessed with controlling the venus person and having power in the relationship rather than obsession w/the person, whereas venus is consumed by the person and nothing else. in my experience as venus... IP: Logged |
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posted February 23, 2013 06:11 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Ceridwen:
and this one:
In the synastry between two people within an actual relationship, trines and sextiles to Neptune can add a glow of romance with a sprinkle of idealism. Hard aspects between one person’s Neptune and another’s personal planets can change romance to delusion. For example, Karen has Neptune conjunct Jupiter in her 11th house (friends and groups). Jupiter, which expands whatever it touches, really goes to town on her Neptune and increases her ability to fantasize. Karen is friends with Rick and his Mars is conjunct her Neptune. The literal interpretation is that she wants him to be more than friends.
Rick doesn’t see Karen as anything more than a drinking buddy, but she’s not going to let reality get in her way. She sees him as her ideal lover and knows that on some level he feels the same way. They’ve never been alone together, but she understands the looks he gives her when they’re out with their friends. She knows he’s scared of being hurt, which is why he hasn’t confessed his feelings for her (yet). One day, Karen’s Neptune may be activated by a powerful transit and she may tell him how she feels. Or she may say nothing and cling to this fantasy for the rest of her life.
These are extreme examples. Your Venus opposite someone’s Pluto or their Moon square your Neptune does not automatically equal obsession. The natal chart needs to imply this behaviour and the rest of the synastric contacts need to create some sort of draw. But when Venus/Pluto or Neptune/personal planet contacts occur, it’s a good idea to take a closer look. In small doses they can take a relationship to the next level, but in larger amounts they can push things over the edge."
http://sasstrology.com/2011/01/the-astrology-of-obsession.html
It's the first time I ever hear about neptune playing a role in obsession and,from what is written, what seems to be one sided love !!!
This really explains a lot.
My pluto opposed a guy's venus, and his sun also squared my neptune. He had the venus opposition pluto natally but those aspects in the synastry were nearly exact.
I was crazily obsessed over him until recently. I had fallen head over heels which is so unlike me. It took me quite some time to really control the thoughts and fantasies about him.
About his sun squaring my neptune, I definitely felt he *had* to be feeling something for me. It was my gut feeling. This really drove me crazy because my intuition was telling me there was more and reality was a completely different thing. Could it be I was fooled by neptune? I thought what I was feeling was just the angle / nodes at work, it seems that it was all neptune's work.
Anyway the exemples given make me want to ask a question. If with puto aspects, the pluto person is likely to do the obsessing, what about neptune hard aspects and the one being desillusionned? On one hand, the guy who's desillusioned has his moon activated by bijou's neptune and on the other hand the girl who's desilusionned is the neptne person.
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posted February 23, 2013 10:52 PM
I'm completely fascinated with Venus/Pluto in synastry and have it with someone (I'm the Pluto), however we don't know each other that well to comment on the impact other than the vibrations from the energy- almost tangible.IP: Logged |
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posted February 23, 2013 11:04 PM
Hm.
My Pluto is opp my husband's Venus/Mars conj and sextile his Moon.------------------
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