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AriesLilith
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posted December 31, 2017 10:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AriesLilith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi guys, can you give some input about the following composite? It’s between my son and my brother, and I’m concerned because of the issues we had in the real life with my side of family and the symbolism found in the charts like Nessus square Dejanira.

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posted December 31, 2017 12:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for todd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hi AriesLilith
setting aside the asteroid question for the moment the composite itself shows a extreme enmity between them.
Uranus opposed to Jupiter and these square the node, indicates they have completely different tout looks on life.this makes the reconciliation of differences rather remote.
but the moon is trine to the sun which shows a deep harmony but functionally the trine is not going to change their feelings. the trine could be your influence which might show that you have a limited degree of medaitorship, that is they will take a moment and consider you attempts to bring reason to the differences .but as this shows they both have a degree of respet for you ,it doesn't really give you words any power over their problems.
with the sun/vertex conjunction opposed to the nessus/pluto conjunction, it seem the bad blood is very deep and likely irreconcilable.

as to the nature of there antagonism, the asteroids point to speifc cause. first off venus opposed to mars,in relation to the chart implies a sister of female family member is the point of contention .with dejaniera square to nessus and pluto the bad blood seems to be related to a abusive and destructive relationship wit your brother to your sons sister or female cousin. the asteroids used point to deep incestual instincts and the victimization of a female.

on the face of this composite ,if you son is issuing such allegations, i would believe him. of course other personality dynamics could be involved but the deeply instinctual and incestual under current can not be dismissed.

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posted December 31, 2017 05:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AriesLilith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi todd, thank you for taking time for this chart. I will definitely keep an eye and be careful about this dynamic. I do hope that this abusive side won’t play out, but then recently I’ve been coming to realisation of my family’s dynamic and it’s hard to process.

Thank you for all the readings so far and I apologize for all the trouble. But your insights has always been so valuable and helpful that I can only trust your analysis on this.

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posted January 08, 2018 01:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks, todd.

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AriesLilith
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posted January 08, 2018 06:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AriesLilith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi todd, I apologize for bothering again but what you said is stuck in my head since. I took a look at some composites involving family again and found out that between me and my brother the conposite also has Nessus square Dejanira. You looked at the composite before in here but I didn’t post with Nessus and Dejanira back then: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/007189.html

Here is the chart again with Nessus and Dejanira:

I guess that what I’m wondering is how these elements in both charts can be related, if it adds more information about the cause you already mentioned. What do you think? Thank you again.

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posted January 10, 2018 06:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for todd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hi AriesLilth

could you add a few more symbols to the chart besides nessus and dejanira.
I'd like to see orcus,sedna,ixion ,pallas, ceres,juno,vertex and h13( true lilth),psyche and eros.

asteroids can be very subtle and with nessus square to dejaniera, I would just feel better see a comprehensive list of other symbols
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posted January 10, 2018 08:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AriesLilith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi todd, here are the charts again with the asteroids.

My son and my brother:

Me and my brother:

If it’s relevant, my chart of me and my son:

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posted January 12, 2018 03:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for todd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
with the vertex conjunct the descendant the connection between you has other worldly experiences and feelings.often altered realities were common to your relationship. as children growing up together , this could show these strange sensations leading to unnatural interactions, I light of other aspects.

with the venus/moon midpoint conjunct to mars and mercury, the façade might show a close and emotional connection to your brother, but with Neptune ooposed to the moon and square the node, there are unusual feelings. Neptune square the node could also show that alcohol was part of your relationship, which can be a cover for other dysfunctional interactions.
with Uranus opposed to chiron and square to the ascendant, there is a likelihood of severe arguments and this opposition would increase the frequency of the other worldly experiences.

there is a very strong incestual.abusive dynamic with the tsqaure of psyche opposed to nessus and square to dejaniera. this can show a insidious sexual desires of a severely abusive nature ,all the while covered buy a façade of "spiritual " love.
it is almost a" give it up or get hurt" mental coercion .and since this likely occurred since early childhood, such behavior may have seems natural.

but the deeply abusive nature of these interactions are shown by the t square or orcus square the sedna/pluto opposition. this is extremely abusive,likley sexual, and with the inclusion of sedna, there is again a threatening emotional aspect that is covered up by a façade of openness and kindness.

the midpoint of the dejaniera square is opposed to Jupiter which highlights the generational abuse. that is,htese unnatural behaviors arte ingrained in the family and as such their destructive nature is ignored and likely all the abusive interactions are ignored.

pallas is square to mars/mercury which would paradoxically indicate that the abuse in some way strengthened your sense of self all the while your internal self esteem deteriorated .

with mercury opposed to Neptune and square to the node ,it is very likely he could control your mind and your actions.with the juno/Jupiter midpoint conjunct to mercury, this mind control could have been complete with you own ideas and thoughts always mirroring what he said, even though the Uranus/Chiron opposition shows you have radically different takes on life.
with the midpoint of the orcus/ pluto square, square to the Uranus. chiron opposition, it is likely that if you shows independent thoughts you may have been subject to violence.
the wild card so to speak is the vertex on the descendant as this shows you could have been from a very early age unable to perceive right from wrong or what is "normal and what is perverse as "reality" itself was uncertain.

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posted January 12, 2018 05:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AriesLilith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi again todd, thank you for taking a more extensive look at this.

It’s a bit hard for me to map and link what I perceive from our reality to the symbolism you pointed out, maybe because I don’t have deep enough knowledge about psychological dynamics (and then it’s hard to see my own situation objectively and consciously) as well as lacking of deep understanding of the symbols involved. But somehow intuitively I feel some link is there. There are also cultural considerations that might affect perception.

It’s spot on that there was an incapability of perceiving right and wrong during our childhood as well as what is healthy and not, at least for me.
Healthy families would teach children to be empathetic, to care for each other and all, but this kind of guidance lacked in our family. When we were young we often fought, but I was older so I always won when it comes to fights. I felt bad but somehow I still was mean to him. My parents were never there to help us sort out conflicts nor teach us real empathy, and w would both be physically punished if they found out.
Our parents has been harsh yet distant. There was definitely dysfunctionality, and somehow only recently I’ve been more aware of the deeper patterns so I have indeed been unaware of the real reality.

It’s strange for me because I have been detached and my empathy only really developed later. During childhood I was just unaware, didn’t empathize and just lived in my own world. It’s like numb of real attachment and emotions with others.

So now that we are adults we can have harmonious times superficially, at least when problems doesn’t arise. We do have very different views and I walk on egg shells because he unfortunately developed traits of borderline disorder and can be very hard to deal with.
Sometimes I wonder if there is strong resentment inside him for everyone and me because of our childhood. I wonder if the symbolism you pointed out can show this, and it’s scary.
It seems that the sister of the family shown in the chart between my son and my brother could be me then? I wonder if he deeply holds such negative thoughts and emotions about me and if we can ever break from this.

I guess that I have a lot to reflect on. Again thank you for the analysis, it’s been very helpful to reflect on all this.

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