posted February 01, 2018 10:22 PM            

very curious about whether the relationship starter works for this couple. They just became official yesterday.

Him:
pMoon 1 Aqua
pSun 6 Sag
nMoon 26 Aqua
nSun 11 Sco
nMars 23 Can
pMars 27 Can
nVenus 18 Sag
pVenus 18 Cap

Her:
pMoon 1 Sco
pSun 18 Cap
nMoon 2 Sco
nSun 20 Sag
pVenus 4 Aqua
nVenus 0 Cap
nMars 0 Gem
pMars 28 Tau

I can see is his nSun to her pMoon which will become conjunct in a matter of months. ?? Also of course we have the big one, her pSun 18 Cap conjunct his pVenus 18 Cap. But i was curious about the moon? Do we have to have the moon involved to start too??

Anything else you can see?

posted February 02, 2018 06:43 AM            

Her pMoon 1 Sco
His nSun 11 Sco
His pMoon 1 Aqua

It is to say the least very interesting that they will have a prog composite NEW MOON (occurs once in the 28 years / I have noticed this one also as a true START marker / marry, living together etc.) at the EXACT same time as her pMoon conjunct his natal Sun (in about 10 months)! WOW. As if pMoon conj nSun isn't already enough! And let's not forget that at that exact time HE also has an EXACT pMoon/nSun square!

The above might reveal some kind of binding progressed lunare phase pattern for life? Let's think about 7, 14, 21 and 28 years later when there will be again a progessed composite NEW MOON...... (feels as a puzzle yes)

posted February 03, 2018 04:51 AM            

It’s crazy how all these things line up perfectly.

All I know is that he’s head over heels in love and has never felt this way.

Mir, would you say if two people have venus opposite venus in synastry, would the progressed synastry of venus opposite venus make much difference? Like would it point to the start of commitment if they’re already involved with one another? Neither of them currently have 4th harmonic aspects in progressed to natal lunar phases. None in the progressed composite either.

posted February 03, 2018 09:13 AM            

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But i was curious about the moon? Do we have to have the moon involved to start too??

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posted February 03, 2018 06:00 PM            

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I had already written this yesterday before I fell asleep in answer to Em;

NO START, without the Moon and the Sun.

Well ofcourse we might compete whether the case discussed here DOES have Moon aspects during their first official current steps since the peak is still 10 months away. But then we forget the fast speed of the Moon which takes 28 years for one entire cycle to close. Room allowed. And what is 10 months in a timeframe of almost 3 decades? Nothing! We're like tsunami animals sensing it all coming. And the closer it comes to a certain exact telling angle like the conjunction the more both people involved get ready for a verrry actual start. Keep me updated! (if natal asc's are known let me know).

posted February 04, 2018 06:43 AM            

Nine, is it any 4th harmonic aspect between sun and moon? Or only conjunction?

Mir, would the sun/Venus trine be stronger in the above case? Or is it that you’re just pointing out that without sun/moon it won’t stick into a commitment?

I have asked for both ascendants and shall report back!

posted February 04, 2018 05:31 PM            

Her:
1 Taurus natal
6 Gemini prog

posted February 04, 2018 10:00 PM            

My gosh, THERE we have it!!

Well, it's not ONLY the Sun and the Moon, but ALSO the ASC and the MOON on it's ride around the clock.

(we're still learning guys! / so the more TRUE start couples the better!)

EXACT opposing ASC/Moon phases they have and their START is exactly on the ANGLES!

This is one for life, I swear.

Her pMoon right on her DESCENDANT.
His pMoon right on his ASCENDANT.

(^^ so one day it will be vice versa!)

!!!!

Prince Harry and Meghan also have an asc/Moon lining up exact (another variant but not less telling)!:
During their very start; Her pMoon applying conjunct by 6 deg to his natal ASC. His pMoon applying conjunct by 6 deg to her natal ASC.

THAT is what we wanna see!!!

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Sun/Venus alone doesn't do it either.

OW, and you can wipe the pASC's, as I don't look at these progressed angles. They are not the TRUE progressed angles as the true prog angles would complete an entire cycle in a year and that's not what asto.com gives. So, no need to mention them again I mean.

Em, if you want you can give the signs and degrees of both your progressed & natal Sun/Moon/Venus/Mars/ASC (< only natal from the latter) with your EX husband.

But it would be best for cases following up these to bring the progressed and natal placements together, not mixing them up as you did in the first post as it was too much of a puzzle. So do it like this;

nSun
nMoon
nVenus
nMars
nASC

pSun
pMoon
pVenus
pMars

(^^ preferably in rows next to each other / I couldn't get it like that here)

posted February 05, 2018 12:48 AM            

With the sun/venus trine example as per above, one will have their progressed moon moving into opposing his nSun. And he will have his pMoon moving towards her nSun. So i'll keep you updated on that one.

Ok ex and I. Hope I've set it out clearly enough! The rows didn;t work sorry. Was all squished.

Him:
nSun - 20 Gem
nMoon - 1 Cap
nVenus - 29 Tau
nMars - 19 Tau
nASC - 1 Vir

pSun - 14 Can
pMoon - 5 Sag
pVenus - 1 Can
pMars - 8 Gem

Me:
nSun - 21 Gem
nMoon - 1 Vir
nVenus - 25 Can
nMars - 28 Leo
nASC - 15 Sco

pSun - 16 Can
pMoon - 23 Leo
pVenus - 26 Leo
pMars - 14 Vir

Interesting to note that when we spearated we had this going on.

Him:
pSun - 23 Can
pMoon -28 Ari
pVenus - 13 Can
pMars - 14 Gem

Me:
pSun - 26 Can
pMoon -4 Cap
pVenus - 7 Vir
pMars - 20 Vir

posted February 05, 2018 04:26 AM            

+ that pSun to nVenus (I guess that's what u mean) isn't spectacular if there's nothing else that would support it in the luminary realm. But I have to look later ...

PS: it's not uncommon that relationships END when ONE person gets a Sun/Venus conjunction (your pSun to your nVenus / I just see it's also YOUR pSun to your own Venus) .. as you become attractive for ALL around these days. More chance for a break-up around that time. (although it was a degree separating, or a year in time).

But as said, I come back on your case.

Another first impression:

WThhhh.. went wrong with such a nice syna aligment??

Moon/Moon trine EXACT
Moon/ASC conj EXACT!

posted February 05, 2018 06:24 AM            

Aaaahhhh didn’t know that about sun/Venus often causing break ups but it makes sense. Yeah I started to feel more attractive and there was a trigger to my separation and this trigger made me feel extremely wanted and attractive and so... no cheating but I just woke up one day and knew I had to leave. Yeah we had a nice moon trine and moon/asc and we loved each other very much but he had anger and control issues. Would criticize me. I don’t think the double Saturn on my moon helped things maybe...dunno. I felt like I was walking on eggshells. Intimacy was hard too. Sexually, there were blockages. He was abused as a boy and then his father committed suicide. Never really could face that pain and so it came out in emotionally abusuve ways. I still think about him though. It’s turned nasty and we’re still going to court 3 years later. He’s trying to take what he can even though my parents funded most of the assets.

posted February 05, 2018 07:55 PM            

Well, you both had a CLEAR start marker when it all started.
Namely, the progressed composite had an exact Sun-Moon SQUARE! (ok, might be 1 deg). But this is definitely a start marker, all 4th harmonic aspects are (conj/opp/square - after every 7 years for pMoon) and yes, for sure also in the progessed composite.

I've looked at it all from many angles (got me almost dizzy ;d) and I noticed something very interesting.

Remember I said this about the couple discussed above:

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Her pMoon right on her DESCENDANT.
His pMoon right on his ASCENDANT!

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Well, at first when it all started between YOU both I noticed this;

YOUR pMoon to your natal ASC: 8 deg over the waning SQUARE.
HIS pMoon to his natal ASC: 4 deg over the waxing SQUARE.

^ So here we definitely see ALSO opposing phases (like the couple case above) although NOT on an angle during the start (Moon on angle is the strongest indicator for any NEW BIRTH) - (although there's def. something to say for those squares here being "start markers" too!).

I checked a bit further in time and during the 11-12 years you were together HIS pMoon was faster and moved 12 deg more than yours. His' 143 deg, yours 131 deg. So it passed yours to become for a moment literally exact opposing phases.

I suspect that about 4,5 years BEFORE the 2 of you broke up, there must have been a signifcant change for you both at the same time. Because at that time YOUR pMoon was right on your ASC while HIS pMoon was right on his DESC (might differ some degs) precisely as the couple above has during their official start.

So it would be nice if you could check the placements of both your pMoons about 4,5 years before your break-up and if THAT was the time you both had this pMoon-angle alignment?
Next ofcourse; which change occured at that time for you both?

@ would there be any chance that (one of the) TOBs aren't accurate btw?

posted February 05, 2018 09:08 PM            

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Nine, is it any 4th harmonic aspect between sun and moon? Or only conjunction?

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In stand alone charts, any 4th harmonic aspect will do. Fourth harmonic aspects are aspects of change. When the Sun & Moon align in this way, life moves in different direction than before.

In a synastry the conjunct aspect is the one I see most often between Sun-Moon, & Asc-Moon at start of relationships. Kannon disagrees, but the conjunction is the only aspect where two planets are next to each other. Thus when strangers unite, they are in conjunction.

posted February 06, 2018 09:54 PM            

So 4.5 years before we broke up we had:

Him:
pMoon 24 Aqua

Me:
pMoon 0 Sco (so still a bit to go for the exact conj to my ASC.)

In terms of significance around that time, we bought a house a few months later and moved in not long after, from the apartment we were living in. So that was quite a big change for us. Wanting to start a family etc.

My birth time is exactly what's on my certificate however I had my ASC rectified once but it gave me 7 Leo and I thought that was waaaaaaay too far off my original. Didn't seem right. So many people see the Scorp ASC in me too. As do I so.....

His birth time is exact as per his records.

posted February 07, 2018 12:14 AM            

And my pMoon sq his pSun too

posted February 07, 2018 12:30 AM            

But you sure are allowed to give the placements of your Prince Charming even though NOT (yet) a matter of actural start ;D

And IF you do that ^ then you have to add the things YOU already see yourself... you already mentioned some if I have it right. But put them all together so that I can see if you miss a significant thing, I keep saying I would like to see some amazzzzzing progressed transits!

posted February 07, 2018 12:42 AM            

Only issue is, he says he was born either really early morning or really late at night. i know without a doubt he's gem rising, which would point to both those times. so obvious. but not sure which end of the day to put. i'll maybe try both and see if there's a picture that tells a story.

posted February 15, 2018 12:00 AM            

That is great!
A chance of 1 out of 360 and it's mentioned as a true start marker also.

LET ME KNOW, what comes out of that~!

@ coincidentally I threw a guy out of my life for good very recently and my solar arc Moon is EXACTLY on his natal Sun right now (applying by minutes when it happened) but he was seriously troubled, so do not count that one ;d