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posted February 13, 2018 06:44 PM            

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I knew this guy-friend for 10 years but we were never close friends. He feels I am judging him based on how he read my text.

I looked at our synastry chart and find mercury(me) square saturn(him) -- can this aspect lead him to feel this way?

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posted February 14, 2018 09:50 AM            

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Bump!

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posted February 14, 2018 10:08 AM            

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Yes, I suppose, also difficult aspects between Moon - Saturn are very popular for feeling judged.

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posted February 14, 2018 02:11 PM            

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I'm simply puzzled because we don't really have a lot of saturn aspects.

His Saturn sq my Merc
My Saturn trine his Sun

I would think I am the one feeling my logic or thought process would be judged for -- being the Mercury.

Could it be he barely have Saturn aspects in his natal? So he's not used to it?
Only aspect it's making is a wide orb (9) conjunction with Uranus -- which is tightly conjunct to IC.

He's been trying to provoke me via text.

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posted February 14, 2018 05:16 PM            

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Do you have anything in his 12th house or or vice versa?

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posted February 14, 2018 05:53 PM            

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Would my ceres in his 12H or his Chiron in my 12th house counts? Oh yeah! His mid-heaven falls in my 12H too. Haven't really studied the angle far enough to understand exactly the meaning in the house overlay -- no other planets. His mercury conjuncts my ASC by 1 degree but that overlays in my 1H unless my TOB is off by a few minutes to put it in the 12H.

There's also his NN conjunct my Sun -- I read someone touching your NN can be uncomfortable as well but we barely hang out to consider it?

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posted February 14, 2018 06:14 PM            

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Hm, can't be too sure. I just know that the 12th house can cause either very loving and spiritual connections or the exact opposite: suspicion, distrust, and poor judgement, insecurity, constantly feel they are hiding something from you or showing you a false image, etc. Might be the Chiron there.

Where are the rulers of your 12th houses? Are they aspecting each other?

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posted February 14, 2018 07:28 PM            

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You might be right. His Chiron is in Gemini (communication) - wouldn't that provoke me instead of him if it falls in my 12H?

His ASC: Virgo (Mercury - conj my ASC
sq my Sun
oppose my Neptune
trine my Pluto)
Mine: Cancer (Moon - oppose his Jupiter
trine his Moon)

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posted February 14, 2018 10:33 PM            

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Well overlays work both ways. Sometimes the planet person feels it more and sometimes the house person feels it more. It depends on the situation but both will experience at some point.

With his chiron in your 12th he probably feels like his wounds and sense of healing are hidden in your presence, which can cause him to continuously put barriers up to keep it that way. If you try to intrude, he may feel you are being too nosy and therefore trying to know more about his wounds to try and judge him for something, good or bad.

He may feel that you are not open enough with him to deserve facing his wounds and so he retreats and points a "finger" at you when you try to do so. This is why you may feel like he thinks you are judging him.

Chiron is an intense asteroid and the 12th is an intense house. Having them in an overlay in synastry means that the effects are intense. His wounds and pain of his life are having a direct impact on your soul, sense of emerging self, and consciousness. He may not be comfortable with all of that and chooses to blame rather than speak it out. He will constantly overanalyze you out of fear you are getting too close to his wounds.

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posted February 15, 2018 01:52 PM            

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I had no idea Chiron can play a big role. It's in my 12th house natally too.

I didn't see this before -- my merc square his chiron (6 degrees orb)

Thanks capricorncheris.. marinating all these things in.. Chiron... 12th house.. I can't tap into my 12H easily.

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