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ChildofVenus
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posted March 30, 2018 10:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Do you need to have 7th house placements in synastry for marriage?

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posted March 30, 2018 10:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for comdoc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not necessary to have planetary 7th House connections. With my first wife (7 years), we had 8th House and 5th House planets in trine. 7th House Juno, Amor, Psyche love asteroids and Nodal axis.

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Do you need to have 7th house placements in synastry for marriage?

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posted April 02, 2018 01:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for margym0o     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There are other things you can look at too, not just planets falling in the 7th house.

Aspects to the 7th house ruler...also the "secondary" 7th house I've seen as being significant also. For example...someone's Sun falling into the 11th house of someone who has an Aqua DSC.

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posted April 02, 2018 04:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by margym0o:
There are other things you can look at too, not just planets falling in the 7th house.

Aspects to the 7th house ruler...also the "secondary" 7th house I've seen as being significant also. For example...someone's Sun falling into the 11th house of someone who has an Aqua DSC.


Aspects to the 7th house ruler. If someone has a Capricorn ASC that means Saturn is the 7th house ruler. So that would mean if the persons Saturn makes aspects to my personal planets?

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posted April 02, 2018 09:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for comdoc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have an Aqua DESC and Uranus in 11th House. One remarkable lover's Gemini Sun conjunct my Uranus. Powerful sexuality, but it was a temporary love connection.

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There are other things you can look at too, not just planets falling in the 7th house.

Aspects to the 7th house ruler...also the "secondary" 7th house I've seen as being significant also. For example...someone's Sun falling into the 11th house of someone who has an Aqua DSC.


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posted April 02, 2018 09:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for comdoc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
His Capricorn ASC means Moon is 7th House ruler. So look for his Moon aspecting your personal planets. Also his planets aspecting your Sun and Mars.

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Aspects to the 7th house ruler. If someone has a Capricorn ASC that means Saturn is the 7th house ruler. So that would mean if the persons Saturn makes aspects to my personal planets?

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posted April 02, 2018 10:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for margym0o     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I have an Aqua DESC and Uranus in 11th House. One remarkable lover's Gemini Sun conjunct my Uranus. Powerful sexuality, but it was a temporary love connection.


I'm sure Uranus didn't help any in this situation.

The whole chart has to be considered which goes without saying I think. Anything 7th house related is not a make or break by any means.

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posted April 03, 2018 11:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for comdoc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Marriage Trigger: Look for transit aspects to ruler of 7th House--especially from Jupiter, Mars, Venus, Moon. From Nichole Huntsman.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjRhkCdTr2s
http://www.moderncosmic.com/

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posted August 19, 2018 11:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And if he has a Capricorn Descendant so that means I'd look at what aspects his Saturn makes to my planets.

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First, it's important that the placements in one chart are mirrored in the partner's chart.
For example if a guy has a Scorpio Moon conjunct Saturn, he won't be attracted to a woman with Gemini Moon conjunct Jupiter. He'll rather be drawn to a woman with a Capricorn Moon conjunct Pluto. The same goes for all the other placements. They need to be mirrored in sign, aspect or house.
But still, this alone is not enough for two people to get married. You'll see people spending years and years together without taking the next step.
For two people to enter marriage the rulers of the Asc-Dsc axis are the deciding factor.
What you'll often see in synastries of married couples are the following:
1. Asc ruler conjunct partner's Dsc.
2. Asc ruler conjunct the partner's Dsc ruler.
3. Asc ruler conjunct the partner's Sun.
4. Dsc ruler conjunct the partner's Sun.

The aspect Asc ruler conjunct the partner's Descendant is particularly powerful. We often idealize people whose Asc ruler conjuncts our Descendant. This aspect can even override the lack of mirroring elswhere in the charts but this lack of mirroring is what probably leads to divorce sooner or later.

Progressions are very important when it comes to timing. Without the right progressions the relationship won't start regardless of how great the synastry is.

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posted August 19, 2018 02:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by HelixID:
First, it's important that the placements in one chart are mirrored in the partner's chart.
For example if a guy has a Scorpio Moon conjunct Saturn, he won't be attracted to a woman with Gemini Moon conjunct Jupiter. He'll rather be drawn to a woman with a Capricorn Moon conjunct Pluto. The same goes for all the other placements. They need to be mirrored in sign, aspect or house.
But still, this alone is not enough for two people to get married. You'll see people spending years and years together without taking the next step.
For two people to enter marriage the rulers of the Asc-Dsc axis are the deciding factor.
What you'll often see in synastries of married couples are the following:
1. Asc ruler conjunct partner's Dsc.
2. Asc ruler conjunct the partner's Dsc ruler.
3. Asc ruler conjunct the partner's Sun.
4. Dsc ruler conjunct the partner's Sun.

The aspect Asc ruler conjunct the partner's Descendant is particularly powerful. We often idealize people whose Asc ruler conjuncts our Descendant. This aspect can even override the lack of mirroring elswhere in the charts but this lack of mirroring is what probably leads to divorce sooner or later.

Progressions are very important when it comes to timing. Without the right progressions the relationship won't start regardless of how great the synastry is.


Thank you I use astro.com but it doesn't show aspects to the Descendant for synastry. So only the conjunctions count? Not the sextile or trine? What if a guy has Sun square Saturn and the woman doesn't have a Sun/Saturn aspect? Also do Declinations count? Like if one persons ASC is parallel to the other persons DSC or personal planet? My ASC ruler is Uranus and the ruler of their DSC is Saturn. We do have Uranus conjunct Saturn but it could just be because we are born a few months apart and the conjunction is a little over 8 degrees.

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posted August 20, 2018 01:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for HelixID     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Thank you I use astro.com but it doesn't show aspects to the Descendant for synastry. So only the conjunctions count? Not the sextile or trine? What if a guy has Sun square Saturn and the woman doesn't have a Sun/Saturn aspect? Also do Declinations count? Like if one persons ASC is parallel to the other persons DSC or personal planet? My ASC ruler is Uranus and the ruler of their DSC is Saturn. We do have Uranus conjunct Saturn but it could just be because we are born a few months apart and the conjunction is a little over 8 degrees.

I only count conjunctions to the Descendant. I also don't look at orbs, as long as the rulers and angles are in the same sign, it's enough if you ask me.
If his Dsc ruler is Saturn you would want to have your Asc ruler in Capricorn or something major in the sign where his Saturn is (Asc ruler, Sun, Moon, Venus).

You say that your Asc ruler is Uranus and it's conjunct (8 orb) his Dsc ruler Saturn? Are the planets in the same sign (I don't count out of sign conjunctions)?
If yes, that's great.
He'll share that aspect with a whole generation but Uranus is not everyone's Asc ruler and that's what makes the difference in your case. Of course, the rest of the chart is of importance, too.

Regarding the Sun-Saturn square, you don't have to have such aspect yourself necessarily. Plus, I only count hard aspects. If you don't have Sun conjunct, square or opposite Saturn, check if it's in your tenth house.

You'll never have 100% matching aspects but it's important that a lot of them do.

Sun and Mars tell about the man and Moon and Venus about the woman. Sun is also descriptive of the woman but more for a man.

In your case the Dsc is in Leo. Take a look at where your Sun is and what hard aspects it makes and in which house it is. Your partner needs to mirror that as much as possible for you to like him. You'll probably always notice a first house Sun, for example, since this would match your Leo Dsc.
You do the same for Mars and in turn your Moon and Venus need to correspond with his Moon and Venus.
You'll often see that someone you like will bring the sign energies you need but also some other aspects your chart doesn't ask for, that's normal.
It would be really hard to find two people whose signs, aspects and houses match perfectly.

I, for example have a Libra Sun in H6, Dsc in Libra and Dsc ruler Venus in Virgo in H6.
My boyfriend has nothing in Libra but his Sun is conjunct my Dsc ruler Venus in Virgo.

And don't expect your partner to have placements both in your Dsc sign and in the sign of the Dsc ruler, one is perfectly fine.

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posted August 20, 2018 03:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I only count conjunctions to the Descendant. I also don't look at orbs, as long as the rulers and angles are in the same sign, it's enough if you ask me.
If his Dsc ruler is Saturn you would want to have your Asc ruler in Capricorn or something major in the sign where his Saturn is (Asc ruler, Sun, Moon, Venus).

You say that your Asc ruler is Uranus and it's conjunct (8 orb) his Dsc ruler Saturn? Are the planets in the same sign (I don't count out of sign conjunctions)?
If yes, that's great.
He'll share that aspect with a whole generation but Uranus is not everyone's Asc ruler and that's what makes the difference in your case. Of course, the rest of the chart is of importance, too.

Regarding the Sun-Saturn square, you don't have to have such aspect yourself necessarily. Plus, I only count hard aspects. If you don't have Sun conjunct, square or opposite Saturn, check if it's in your tenth house.

You'll never have 100% matching aspects but it's important that a lot of them do.

Sun and Mars tell about the man and Moon and Venus about the woman. Sun is also descriptive of the woman but more for a man.

In your case the Dsc is in Leo. Take a look at where your Sun is and what hard aspects it makes and in which house it is. Your partner needs to mirror that as much as possible for you to like him. You'll probably always notice a first house Sun, for example, since this would match your Leo Dsc.
You do the same for Mars and in turn your Moon and Venus need to correspond with his Moon and Venus.
You'll often see that someone you like will bring the sign energies you need but also some other aspects your chart doesn't ask for, that's normal.
It would be really hard to find two people whose signs, aspects and houses match perfectly.

I, for example have a Libra Sun in H6, Dsc in Libra and Dsc ruler Venus in Virgo in H6.
My boyfriend has nothing in Libra but his Sun is conjunct my Dsc ruler Venus in Virgo.

And don't expect your partner to have placements both in your Dsc sign and in the sign of the Dsc ruler, one is perfectly fine.


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posted August 20, 2018 03:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for HelixID     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Thank you I use astro.com but it doesn't show aspects to the Descendant for synastry. So only the conjunctions count? Not the sextile or trine? What if a guy has Sun square Saturn and the woman doesn't have a Sun/Saturn aspect? Also do Declinations count? Like if one persons ASC is parallel to the other persons DSC or personal planet? My ASC ruler is Uranus and the ruler of their DSC is Saturn. We do have Uranus conjunct Saturn but it could just be because we are born a few months apart and the conjunction is a little over 8 degrees.

I only count conjunctions to the Descendant. I also don't look at orbs, as long as the rulers and angles are in the same sign, it's enough if you ask me.
If his Dsc ruler is Saturn you would want to have your Asc ruler in Capricorn or something major in the sign where his Saturn is (Asc ruler, Sun, Moon, Venus).

You say that your Asc ruler is Uranus and it's conjunct (8 orb) his Dsc ruler Saturn? Are the planets in the same sign (I don't count out of sign conjunctions)?
If yes, that's great.
He'll share that aspect with a whole generation but Uranus is not everyone's Asc ruler and that's what makes the difference in your case. Of course, the rest of the chart is of importance, too.

Regarding the Sun-Saturn square, you don't have to have such aspect yourself necessarily. Plus, I only count hard aspects. If you don't have Sun conjunct, square or opposite Saturn, check if it's in your tenth house.

You'll never have 100% matching aspects but it's important that a lot of them do.

Sun and Mars tell about the man and Moon and Venus about the woman. Sun is also descriptive of the woman but more for a man.

In your case the Dsc is in Leo. Take a look at where your Sun is and what hard aspects it makes and in which house it is. Your partner needs to mirror that as much as possible for you to like him. You'll probably always notice a first house Sun, for example, since this would match your Leo Dsc.
You do the same for Mars and in turn your Moon and Venus need to correspond with his Moon and Venus.
You'll often see that someone you like will bring the sign energies you need but also some other aspects your chart doesn't ask for, that's normal.
It would be really hard to find two people whose signs, aspects and houses match perfectly.

I, for example have a Libra Sun in H6, Dsc in Libra and Dsc ruler Venus in Virgo in H6.
My boyfriend has nothing in Libra but his Sun is conjunct my Dsc ruler Venus in Virgo.

And don't expect your partner to have placements both in your Dsc sign and in the sign of the Dsc ruler, one is perfectly fine.

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posted August 20, 2018 06:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I only count conjunctions to the Descendant. I also don't look at orbs, as long as the rulers and angles are in the same sign, it's enough if you ask me.
If his Dsc ruler is Saturn you would want to have your Asc ruler in Capricorn or something major in the sign where his Saturn is (Asc ruler, Sun, Moon, Venus).

You say that your Asc ruler is Uranus and it's conjunct (8 orb) his Dsc ruler Saturn? Are the planets in the same sign (I don't count out of sign conjunctions)?
If yes, that's great.
He'll share that aspect with a whole generation but Uranus is not everyone's Asc ruler and that's what makes the difference in your case. Of course, the rest of the chart is of importance, too.

Regarding the Sun-Saturn square, you don't have to have such aspect yourself necessarily. Plus, I only count hard aspects. If you don't have Sun conjunct, square or opposite Saturn, check if it's in your tenth house.

You'll never have 100% matching aspects but it's important that a lot of them do.

Sun and Mars tell about the man and Moon and Venus about the woman. Sun is also descriptive of the woman but more for a man.

In your case the Dsc is in Leo. Take a look at where your Sun is and what hard aspects it makes and in which house it is. Your partner needs to mirror that as much as possible for you to like him. You'll probably always notice a first house Sun, for example, since this would match your Leo Dsc.
You do the same for Mars and in turn your Moon and Venus need to correspond with his Moon and Venus.
You'll often see that someone you like will bring the sign energies you need but also some other aspects your chart doesn't ask for, that's normal.
It would be really hard to find two people whose signs, aspects and houses match perfectly.

I, for example have a Libra Sun in H6, Dsc in Libra and Dsc ruler Venus in Virgo in H6.
My boyfriend has nothing in Libra but his Sun is conjunct my Dsc ruler Venus in Virgo.

And don't expect your partner to have placements both in your Dsc sign and in the sign of the Dsc ruler, one is perfectly fine.


We both have Saturn and Uranus in Sagittarius some of the aspects we have in our natal chart are similar. And some are the same like we both have Moon/Jupiter and Venus/Neptune. His might be the trine and mine the square. I don't know if that makes sense. I think I really like him because he has Sun square Uranus. And we like some of the same things. I think out of all the guys I've been friends with he's the most compatible.
The only planet I have in Capricorn is Neptune. My 6th house ruler is in Capricorn that's where my Moon in Aquarius is. I do have Venus square Saturn, Mercury trine Saturn, Moon parellel Saturn and Saturn trine ASC. His Sun quintiles my Mars but the signs are compatible and his Venus conjuncts my Mars. I guess I see him as someone who would be ok with an unconventional marriage. He has a lot of Uranus aspects Moon conjunct Uranus. And I have Moon parallel Uranus he just seems similar to me. It's finding people who are like me because I'm different. I was telling him how I like having my space in relationships and he gets it.

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