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astrosaz
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posted May 17, 2018 07:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for astrosaz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've seen on many threads that alot of people hate Sun-Pluto synastry aspects and I wanted to know why

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posted May 17, 2018 08:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
?? Really? I Like it. I have that in composite with my ex with Valentine and Mars also there.

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posted May 17, 2018 09:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for erickaf     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I also never read people on threads hating it? It is this forum, LL? The square is a soul mate aspect...it is an extremely difficult aspect but can transform you to the core.

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posted May 18, 2018 01:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^^Ha I have the square with my MOM, she is the sun and I am Pluto.

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posted May 18, 2018 02:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Melinn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted May 18, 2018 10:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for astrosaz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes there have been a few threads about people who hate this aspect in synastry, here's a thread that was posted the other day http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/007840.html

I have a Scorpio stellium and a couple of pluto aspects ( also merc conjunct Pluto but it's within 8orb so don't know if that counts?)

I do like Sun-Pluto aspects but i suppose that is probably because of my natal. I like deep, meaningful conversations and no small talk. It's hard for me to understand why someone wouldn't like sun Pluto synastry though unless it's a square! Conjunctions are my favourite

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I have a Scorpio stellium with Sun and Mars conjunct Pluto, all 3 opposite my ASC.

I love Sun-Pluto in synastry.

It’s felt no matter the degree in my case, but it only really counts when the other person has Pluto prominent natally.

Me and my partner have

Sun conjunct Pluto (He’s Pluto).

Sun conjunct ASC (He’s ASC).

Pluto conjunct ASC (He’s ASC).

ASC opppsite ASC.

Sun opposite Venus (He’s Venus).

Venus conjunct ASC (He’s Venus).


ALL in Scorpio/ Taurus.


I have met my match.


Sun rules my 4H

Pluto rules his 1st while intercepting his 12H.

Our bond is DEEP but electric.
(Throw in a ton of Uranus, mostly positive).


He has transformed my home life literally..


His mars is also in my 4H..

He came into my life unexpectedly and has quietly stayed put ever since. My dad calls it a “quiet strength”.


We definitely have a strong hold on each other, but I believe it’s stronger on my end unless he’s just damn good at hiding it (We have a lot of 12H stuff going on too both natally and in synastry).


He demonstrates his love in practical ways which I love but he has a hard time expressing his deeper side sometimes.

Sun-Pluto, I feel, is at the base of our connection (along with an almost exact Saturn-Jupiter trine).


His personal power feels like a warm blanket covering my entire body.. but is sometimes itchy (when things get heated). HA.. but the blanket is still keeping me warm and protected no matter what.

That’s how Sun-Pluto feels to me.

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posted May 18, 2018 08:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmGem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yanmorg, tell me about your 12H synastry please 🙏
How does it feel?? How do you experience it? Which planets? Who has it natally too?
I’m currently involved with someone who puts about 5 planets in my 12th and I’m pretty sure two of mine are in his 12th. I’d love to hear about your experience. I’ve heard such negativity about the 12th in synastry and that it is not long lasting.

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Originally posted by EmGem:
Yanmorg, tell me about your 12H synastry please 🙏
How does it feel?? How do you experience it? Which planets? Who has it natally too?
I’m currently involved with someone who puts about 5 planets in my 12th and I’m pretty sure two of mine are in his 12th. I’d love to hear about your experience. I’ve heard such negativity about the 12th in synastry and that it is not long lasting.


Thanks for asking, Em!

I’d be happy to share.

Natally, I don’t have any planets in the 12H but Aries rules my 12H and mars is located in my 7H right above the cusp line.

Pluto rules my 7H.

I have mars conjunct Pluto natally.

Mars conjunct NN.


My partner MIGHT have Pluto in 1H or 12H (His birth time is like 90% accurate).

He definitely has a Scorpio ASC with intercepted houses so Pluto rules his 1H and 12H if I’m saying it correctly.

Pluto opposes his Venus and trines his mercury.

In our synastry,

My SUN, MERCURY, AND VENUS fall into his 12H.

His VENUS falls in my 12H.

It’s funny though, because in composite we have Venus in the 6H.

We both have Venus in the 6H natally as well.

So although our love is private, we still demonstrate and express it.

Our relationship is VERY private but that’s how we like it for the most part.

Being that my SUN falls in his 12H, I’m more into his private world than anything. I love uncovering his secrets, passions, hidden desires, etc

It sometimes works against me though. Haha.


Our connection isn’t confusing, but sometimes his actions are as well as mine.

We do have a ton of underworld stuff going on.

Touches, glances, tone of voice, etc all matters.

The slightest action gets noticed.

Our connection is DEEP.

Astrology can be so doom and gloom most of the time and what I’m coming to realize is, it’s not as cut n’ dry as we make it out.

I agree with some of the interpretations, but there’s always more to a story (synastry chart).


Me and my partner live in our own little world, but in a good way.

We still go out as a couple and mingle, but we like our privacy better.

Our relationship isn’t a secret and we don’t hide each other.

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posted May 19, 2018 09:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmGem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you for sharing Yanmorg!

A lot of what you say I can relate to. Where does your composite sun fall? Are there any planets in the 12th there?
How long have you been together?

It sounds like a beautiful connection. Hard to break. Deep yes!!! That’s certainly how it feels for myself and the man in my life. We want to dig deep and discover all the hidden elements of one another. We have moon/Pluto in the composite too though.

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Originally posted by EmGem:
Thank you for sharing Yanmorg!

A lot of what you say I can relate to. Where does your composite sun fall? Are there any planets in the 12th there?
How long have you been together?

It sounds like a beautiful connection. Hard to break. Deep yes!!! That’s certainly how it feels for myself and the man in my life. We want to dig deep and discover all the hidden elements of one another. We have moon/Pluto in the composite too though.



No problem I enjoy hearing other positive 12H experiences as well.


Our composite Sun is in the 7H.

We might have Uranus/ Neptune in the 12H or 11H (my partner’s birth time is like 90% accurate), but it trines our Composite Sun, Moon, and Mercury and sqaures our composite mars/ Jupiter.

We’ve been together almost two years now.

I hope we continue to grow together and love each other.

It’s interesting you mentioned composite moon-pluto.

We have composite moon in the 8H sextile Pluto.

Mars is in the 8H also.


Do you guys have any Uranus going on or hard Saturn?

(composite and/ or synastry)

And how do you both handle arguments?

We have
mars-saturn DW,
Venus-saturn DW,
Mercury-saturn DW,
ASC-saturn DW.

Moon-saturn quincunx in composite.
Saturn conjunct ASC in composite also.

Our fights are INTENSE.

It also accounts for a lot of the confusion I mentioned.

We get totally out of character when we’re upset and in the heat of the moment. This is our biggest downfall, but we’re actively working on it.

We have Sun-Venus DW too though (trine and opposition, 11 secs from exact and 1 degree, respectively) so the fights never last long.

There’s always another layer and relationships aren’t neatly packed packages.

They’re messy, unique, and sometimes hard to define.

But in the mist of it all, we find love.

And love is the only exception.

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posted May 19, 2018 04:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Selenite     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I hated that aspect with an ex, where I was the Sun (square). I hated it with my mom, where I was also the sun (square).
Now I'm the Pluto opposite my boyfriend's Sun. I can't say I notice it, but I wonder if he thinks I'm controlling o.0
All I know is, I felt super criticized, scrutinized, manipulated and controlled with my ex and my mom... don't really talk to either of them anymore.

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posted May 19, 2018 05:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My mother and I have an intense relationship and she is the sun in capricorn and I am pluto, in a nutshell she wants to control me and I don't let her LOL.

I remember growing up she was the one person that I could not react to in a detached manner, she got under my skin all right. People notice that I was a different person around her.

She is a good mom though, always there for me but our relationship has been a roller coaster, I appreciate her a lot more now that I live many states away from her. But I do love her deeply and she loves me deeply, it is a very plutonic relationship like love and hate in a sense. Like I can't stand you but I love you deeply. I am VERY Protective of her!!!! Even though I may find her annoying, you better NOT F her over and mistreat her!!!!. I am very protective of her.

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posted May 19, 2018 05:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StoneMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have this in a couple of relationships.

I have the trine with my daughter, where I am Pluto. As she gets older our relationship is a beautiful connection that I cherish.

I have the opposition with a friend. I am pluto again. I try very hard not to be Pluto and be controlling. She impacts me too, but in a gentle way. She says I inspire her as well. So far there is just great admiration and empathy between the two of us.

I always have Pluto in some form in my relationships. Usually to my moon and mars.

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posted May 19, 2018 07:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmGem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Yanmorg:

No problem I enjoy hearing other positive 12H experiences as well.

Our composite Sun is in the 7H.

We might have Uranus/ Neptune in the 12H or 11H (my partner’s birth time is like 90% accurate), but it trines our Composite Sun, Moon, and Mercury and sqaures our composite mars/ Jupiter.

We’ve been together almost two years now.

I hope we continue to grow together and love each other.

It’s interesting you mentioned composite moon-pluto.

We have composite moon in the 8H sextile Pluto.

Mars is in the 8H also.


Do you guys have any Uranus going on or hard Saturn?

(composite and/ or synastry)

And how do you both handle arguments?

We have
mars-saturn DW,
Venus-saturn DW,
Mercury-saturn DW,
ASC-saturn DW.

Moon-saturn quincunx in composite.
Saturn conjunct ASC in composite also.

Our fights are INTENSE.

It also accounts for a lot of the confusion I mentioned.

We get totally out of character when we’re upset and in the heat of the moment. This is our biggest downfall, but we’re actively working on it.

We have Sun-Venus DW too though (trine and opposition, 11 secs from exact and 1 degree, respectively) so the fights never last long.

There’s always another layer and relationships aren’t neatly packed packages.

They’re messy, unique, and sometimes hard to define.

But in the mist of it all, we find love.

And love is the only exception.


Layers. This is definitely a word I would use to describe 12H relationships. I find I go through mini crises every time I get triggered by him but it leads to healing and peeling yet another layer off. He triggers me so deeply, my deep seated fears, my attachment issues. Like no one ever has before. We don’t exactly fight as such. We’re not officially committed to one another yet so no fights. It’s more that we end up hurting from something the other has said or raised to conscious awareness. He will often shut down and then re-emerge once recovered, leading by to a new level of understanding.

Nice to see you have the Venus/sun DW! Very forgiving.
We have some nice Jupiter aspects going on like Venus/Jupiter DW, moon trine Jupiter, which also helps with keeping things light and forgiving. Composite Venus sextile Jupiter exact too! I love that aspect.

In terms of Saturn and Uranus we have:
His Saturn conjunct my moon (5 deg) and mars (very widely at 9 deg) in synastry.
His Saturn square my mercury
His Saturn semi square my Venus
His Saturn sextile my Jupiter
My Saturn square his moon (if birth time is right)
My Saturn semi square his sun
My Saturn square his Venus
Composite Saturn is conjunct asc (phew for glue there!)
Composite Saturn semi sextile mars

What aspects are your Venus/Saturn DW? Interesting that we have that too! As well as the composite Saturn conjunct asc!

His Uranus/moon/mars/Venus conjuncts my asc/Uranus so lots of electricity/chemistry between us. Pretty sure my sun/Mercury conjuncts his asc.
We have composite 12H sun square Uranus boooo. You’re lucky you have the trine

Your composite 8H moon sextile Pluto would for sure add to the intensity for you guys. Wow!

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posted May 19, 2018 09:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for astrosaz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yannmorg, Venus conjunct ASC and you're the Asc, that's my favourite synastry aspect! (Vain Leo Rising that's why haha)

That's really powerful synastry, so many conjunctions and Venus in powerful Taurus conjunct your Asc? You say you both have mars-saturn DW and Venus-saturn DW are those squares in synastry or composite and is it Aquarius Saturn? Your Sun/Venus DW and other aspects are enough to keep that at bay I think though (Harry and Meghan also have a Sun/Venus DW )

Sorry to hear that Selenite Thanks for sharing your experience with me. I've never had the square, so I suppose that's maybe why I couldnt understand why people didn't like this aspect.

hypatia238 that's sweet that you're so protective of your Mother, 'I'm allowed to love and hate you but if anyone else tries then I'mma take my hoops out' - I guess that sums up Sun/Pluto aspects.

Stonemoon, is your daughter a water sign? That's lovely that you have a deep bond getting better with time. So far I'm seeing the pattern that the trines and conjunctions are the way to go but squares and opps seem to a run for the hills situation.

EmGem, those are some serious Saturn aspects. I think the Jupiter will definitely balance the equilibrium, I have a lot of Saturn aspects with two of my best friends but because of all the Jupiter action in our synastry and a couple in our composite I think that's what helps keep the Saturn at bay! (Not to say it doesn't peep out at times, but that's life and the jupiter definitely helps this!) I have Venus Square Saturn with someone, first I was sad because I wanted to be the Saturn, I feel I have a good on handle Saturn due to many aspects in my natal chart, now I feel that it may be a good thing because I also have Moon Opp Uranus ( I absolutely hate this aspect ) with this person in synastry and I'm the Moon... Not much I can do though, everyone my age's Saturn squares my luminares and inner planet stellium, my Venus squares everyone my ages Neptune and Uranus and anyone a little bit older opposes my moon and squares my Venus ! Yannmorg and EmGem, how do you handle Venus Square Saturn?

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posted May 25, 2018 10:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Welcome!

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Originally posted by StoneMoon:
I have this in a couple of relationships.

I have the trine with my daughter, where I am Pluto. As she gets older our relationship is a beautiful connection that I cherish.

I have the opposition with a friend. I am pluto again. I try very hard not to be Pluto and be controlling. She impacts me too, but in a gentle way. She says I inspire her as well. So far there is just great admiration and empathy between the two of us.

I always have Pluto in some form in my relationships. Usually to my moon and mars.


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posted May 25, 2018 12:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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hypatia238 that's sweet that you're so protective of your Mother, 'I'm allowed to love and hate you but if anyone else tries then I'mma take my hoops out' - I guess that sums up Sun/Pluto aspects.


hahahhahaha

Add that my agapenor conjuncts her Sun. I do love her.

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posted May 25, 2018 07:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmGem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@astro, yes I think Jupiter certainly does help! Love love love Jupiter in synastry/composite. I like to think I’m awake and conscious of my Saturn in the Venus/Saturn square. His is semi square to mine so hopefully it’s not as strong, although some astrologers I think believe they can be stronger! Not sure 🤔 for us it’s hard to see how it’s playing out as we’re not in a committed relationship at the moment. I’m very aware of when I pull away from him though, generally in response to him pulling away or things just getting too heated between us. But I’ll jerp you posted should it ever come through strongly. These challenging energies are there to be worked through and it’s so great that through astrology we can be conscious of them. Also, just remembered that I had Venus square Saturn with my ex of 10 years! I was Saturn again. I never was cold with him. Always been affectionate really.

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I’ve had a Venus-Saturn DW or Venus-Saturn square in all of my relationships with me being either Venus or Saturn.

The interesting thing is, I do have a Venus-Saturn trine in my natal but it’s extremely weak (9 degrees) and Saturn squares my ASC, Sun, and Mars fairly closely. Saturn trines my moon closely at 1 degree also.


Venus-Saturn isn’t as bad as people make it out.

Especially in REAL LIFE unless other aspects support it.


Venus-Saturn isn’t the problem by itself.

I view this aspect as the relationship taking a routine, crystalized form if a relationship were to develop because of the rest of the synastry.

It makes two people aware of their responsibility to the other person no matter who’s planet and who’s Saturn. I think the issue comes in when 1 or both people aren’t ready, capable or willing to handle the responsibility.

Other than that, Saturn is great and very much needed in everything we do in life. We need firm boundaries. We can operate freely from within those bounds, but everything has and needs a limit. Saturn provides that.

Venus-Saturn does feel heavy sometimes, but that’s a part of life in general. Stress will do that to you and ALL relationships encounter stress at some point.

In my own relationship, we have
Venus trine Saturn at 3 degrees and Venus square Saturn at 5 degrees. Saturn reers his ugly head in relationship to finances. I haven’t been financially stable since a little after we started dating abd that was almost 2 years ago! (Unfortuante circumstances)

Venus-Saturn can also play out in terms of a relationship’s life line. For some reason, when I see this aspect in synastry I automatically know thi person will hold some type of VALUE in my life. They will stick around for awhile or at least the impression of them will.

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I've never heard of the Sun square Pluto being a soul mate aspect but I can see why. Sun, Mars, and Pluto are the three most intense planets in the zodiac. Sun is more intense in a fun, carefree way, whereas mars and Pluto are more intense in an ambitious way (Mars) and mental way (Pluto).

So having the Sun (ego, fun, carefree) square (grinding against) Pluto (mental intensity, emotional depth) can cause the couple to learn to let their guards down and spill all of their emotions to one another after they have experienced a tumultuous power struggle (which is bound to happen with this aspect). Once you have learned to balance the power of the Sun with the power of Pluto, it can be very nice indeed. It is like you can tell this person anything and not feel demeaned for it because the two of you have already hit all the hard spots in your egos that would get in the way of feeling good about it.

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posted May 27, 2018 11:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for capricorncheriscty     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also the sun is very bright and intense in its brightness. Pluto is very dark and intense in its darkness. That contrast is very nice when they are in aspect. But I feel the hard aspects between these two would be better since then it is forcing the light of the sun to help shine over the darkness of Pluto. In a trine or sextile, you two might just be content with one shining over the other and the other hiding in the shadows. Not very good for a relationship, so I agree with the first reply that the Square is most effective for this aspect.

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posted May 27, 2018 11:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for capricorncheriscty     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Selenite:
I hated that aspect with an ex, where I was the Sun (square). I hated it with my mom, where I was also the sun (square).
Now I'm the Pluto opposite my boyfriend's Sun. I can't say I notice it, but I wonder if he thinks I'm controlling o.0
All I know is, I felt super criticized, scrutinized, manipulated and controlled with my ex and my mom... don't really talk to either of them anymore.

The problem with the Sun square Pluto is that you are going to be forced to deal with the Pluto's intense darkness as the Pluto person is in turn going to be forced to deal with your intense brightness. This can be an extremely good thing though. It's better to have your contrasting characters come out of the open from the beginning that waiting for it to explode later on. This is why I think the square is the best for this aspect. It, of course, would turn into a very volatile and sickening aspect to have if one or both parties is the more fragile type who is not willing to let people in on their intensity. I'm assuming this is your and your family's case. We can't all handle intensity, whether it is bright or dark.

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What about Sun conjunct Pluto, Cap?
What’s your take on that one?

I have a Scorpio stellium in Scorpio conjunct Pluto and mars. Hehe.

My partner has a Pluto ASC conjunct Pluto.

His Pluto conjuncts my Sun and mars, opposite my ASC.

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quote:
Originally posted by Yanmorg:
What about Sun conjunct Pluto, Cap?
What’s your take on that one?

I have a Scorpio stellium in Scorpio conjunct Pluto and mars. Hehe.

My partner has a Pluto ASC conjunct Pluto.

His Pluto conjuncts my Sun and mars, opposite my ASC.


I would imagine it has a similar take as Sun square Pluto as the conjunction is also a hard aspect, though it can lead to positive results faster since they are in the same sign. There will be a lot of agitation with this aspect of conjunction, square, or opposition.

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