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TaurusVenusGirl
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posted May 22, 2018 05:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TaurusVenusGirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Difficult is listed 6 times and easy is 3 times. So it seems that most relationships are far more difficult than easy?

I am waiting to read a chart interpretation that states anything on the lines that stays something positive that it will last and a perfect match.

So are all people married and in relationships deluded thinking it's perfect and will last forever?

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todd
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posted May 22, 2018 05:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for todd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
well keep in mind that 50% marriages don't last and how many casual relationship don't get to a commitment level?

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hypatia238
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posted May 22, 2018 06:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Divorce rates have been under 50% for a long time now but Taurusgirl yes Marriage is hard...I think marriages should be polyamorous, at least we are been honest about the complexity of human nature that way and having more realistic expectations around human nature and the function of relationships. If polyamory becomes the norm jealousy would be less of an issue bc it would be normalized. I admit from a conservative standpoint I am sure there are valid arguments agains't this been good for society but it can work in a positive way if approached in a balanced way with moderation, I think that is the problem though, that maybe a lot of people would not approach it that way and it would degrade society more but if approached from a place of love and in a balanced mindful way I think it could be great.

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posted May 22, 2018 06:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lalafortunaea     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We need struggle in charts, and in relationships, for growth and learning. Granted, too much struggle just leads to pain, but sometimes people run away from all struggle altogether simply cause they have a fantasy ideal that relationships should be as easy as pie.

Loving someone is/should be the easy part. If loving someone is difficult, then facing the challenges of the relationship will be that much harder to overcome.

A lesson Capricorn heavy individuals must face (and earth elements in general), for example, is that they must not take the easy path, not simply "settle" for security. Often they go for someone who is a "perfect match" (low struggle) so that they can focus on other ambitions of a materialistic nature. This leaves them feeling cold. It's interpersonal struggle, however, that blossoms the soul.

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posted May 22, 2018 08:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Solar_Leo_Queen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Imo, there is no way to guarantee that a marriage or relationship will last forever or that a couple will live happily ever after.

To those that do, they usually are willing to put aside their differences in order for the relationship to thrive.

It is delusional to think that there is such a thing as a relationship that is “perfect”. This is what I have learned so far. There is no such thing as perfect, just two individuals willing enough to work it out.

Sometimes, even if they are willing to work it out, it just doesn’t happen. And that’s okay. That just means they were incompatible in the first place.

In a chart, it is very necessary to have hard aspects. They promote growth in both individuals as they learn to relate to someone who may be completely different from them.

But generally, the amount of positive connections should outweigh the negative connections to indicate a lasting and happy relationship. With marriage, it is important that both partners be compatible with each other—if not, willing to compromise.

To answer your question, yes and no. Some married couples are delusional, especially if they got married right away while they were still in the honeymoon phase. Others have just been willing to work things out and communicate with their partners enough to give them hope.

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posted May 22, 2018 09:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for llewsacm     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Divorce rates have been under 50% for a long time now but Taurusgirl yes Marriage is hard...I think marriages should be polyamorous, at least we are been honest about the complexity of human nature that way and having more realistic expectations around human nature and the function of relationships. If polyamory becomes the norm jealousy would be less of an issue bc it would be normalized. I admit from a conservative standpoint I am sure there are valid arguments agains't this been good for society but it can work in a positive way if approached in a balanced way with moderation, I think that is the problem though, that maybe a lot of people would not approach it that way and it would degrade society more but if approached from a place of love and in a balanced mindful way I think it could be great.

There are already many people who have open marriages, so I suppose if that type of lifestyle is appealing there are plenty of fish in the sea so to speak.

I don't think thia set-up though would be suitable for everyone. Some folks would not be open to such an idea. I myself know I would not feel comfortable sleeping with more than one person at a time...it just doesn't feel right to me. I was very "active" in years passed, but I really did not feel good about it inside. My partners were aware of it, and it didn't bother them, it really bothered me. So I decided to stop and focus on the other side, and I really do feel good about that now!

So, I really do think this is a personal decision. And dependent on your own planetary placements that you really should understand what makes you feel comfortable in your own skin, and what kind of person you are willing to settle down with...lol.

And yes, marriage can be challenging. I really believe that as long as you are evolving and growing together, that is key. There are times you won't feel that way...and that's when faith kicks into gear. You know it's time to move on when things are stagnant for too long and one or both are no longer trying.

My 84 year old neighbor moved yesterday. His wife of 64 years died a few months back. As we said goodbye, he was dwelling on how hard it was to be without her. I said, "count yourself lucky that you had true love for 64 years." And he smiled and cried at the same time! Not many people have the opportunity to live a life with their true love for 64 yrs. It is rare! And not everybody gets that in life...

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posted May 22, 2018 10:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmGem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Perhaps if everyone was willing to heal their attachment issues, we would not feel the need to escape difficulty in our relationships.

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posted May 22, 2018 10:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for comdoc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Perfect match does not exist. Mutual willingness to intimately relate, and strong synastry help. Longterm commitment and sincere vows aid longevity. Relationships are difficult with no will, poor synastry, and unreal expectations. Marriage institution in many ways is dysfunctional (including gender biased corrupt family court system). Hence not being popular with Millenials, and growing MGTOW movement. In my personal experience, polyamory is more complicated than serial monogamy.

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Originally posted by TaurusVenusGirl:
https://www.astrograph.com/learning-astrology/aspects.php

Difficult is listed 6 times and easy is 3 times. So it seems that most relationships are far more difficult than easy?

I am waiting to read a chart interpretation that states anything on the lines that stays something positive that it will last and a perfect match.

So are all people married and in relationships deluded thinking it's perfect and will last forever?


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hypatia238
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posted May 23, 2018 12:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is not always about attachment issues. Its a complex issue that can not be explained with one theory IMO and is definitely a case by case thing too. Sometimes you are just not getting F*cked EVER so you cheat bc your sexuality is not been expressed and is completely been neglected in that regard which is not cool at all. And maybe one person cannot meet all your needs.

I am also a firm believer that with every soulmate you encounter they help you connect with a different part of you or discover things about you that you didn't know or explore new territory and experience new things. They help you fall in love more with yourself and with life and with them. Its quite beautiful. Its amazing. If you are with one person only for the rest of your life there is a lot you will not find out about yourself I feel.

But then again if people were not so scared of abandonment and felt secure in relationships they would not flip out about sharing and having somewhat open arrangements.

BUT personally I don't like to sleep with more than one person at a time and I don't, when I sleep with someone I am sleeping with them and that is it, I am theirs for the duration of that romance, I hate sharing my body with multiple people in that way so Comdoc is right perhaps the real realistic solution is *serial monogamy.*


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posted May 23, 2018 01:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"An overabundance of trines, sextiles, and easy conjunctions will leave a relationship with nowhere to go. Boredom, complacency, and taking one another for granted are usually the result. Keep those squares, oppositions, and sesquiquadrates (135 degrees) coming."

I like a nice balance of two personally and am growing to really loooooove quintiles in synastry which is like a square and trine in one, keeps things interesting...

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posted May 23, 2018 07:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for waxlobster     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Why would you marry somebody and be polyamorous? I'm all for being free if you want to be free, but how is commitment or a relationship a part of that?

Is it just to save money on rent? If so how are they more than a housemate?

An 'open-relationship' just seems pointless to me.... why be with anybody? Finances seems to be the only reason, or fear of being alone perhaps?

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posted May 23, 2018 12:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^^Bc you can want to be with someone whom you have a strong bond with already and love but still be curious about exploring yourself through other relationships. Bc if 60% of people cheat in some way shape or form at some point in their life it makes sense a percentage of people consider or entertain at least in their mind the idea of polyamory.

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posted May 23, 2018 01:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for manderin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
People used to have more realistic expectations of marriage. A FANTASTIC marriage was one that included several really bad years in it, but people stuck it through and when those few bad years were up they ended up happier and better than ever before. That's why marriages lasted.

Nowadays as soon as those bad years come up people jump ship and think they just picked the 'wrong one'. This has caused a disposable attitude towards spouses and quite frankly- especially one towards wives.

There was a man once who was married 3 times and when talking about his experience he said. "My first marriage went great the first two years then the third year things got stale.. 4th year things got bad and we got divorced. My second marriage went great the first two years then the third year things got stale.. 4th year things got bad and we got divorced. My third marriage same exact thing happened, but instead of jumping ship I decided to talk more about it and we discussed it together and made myself stick it out despite it all, Now we're going on 8 years and things are great. It really taught me something. I would never admit this to my current wife because I know it would hurt her, but the truth is I realize now that if I had simply done this with my first wife, the result would've been the same and we never would have divorced."

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posted May 24, 2018 07:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for waxlobster     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's not for me to judge or anything Hypatia and I understand how such a situation could come about, but is that really a 'goal'.

Don't we all secretly long for true love really? I've met musicians who have told me that the whole groupie scene became empty and soulless for them. In fact most people have confessed that they usually stay casual through fear of being hurt, or of opening up.

Maybe psychology is different in the UK and I'm not going to quibble over a choice of honesty and truth (vs deception and lies) but I wonder if choosing polygamy isn't often a 'second best' option?

Manderin, that's a lovely quote....we do live and learn hey.

I have Venus square Uranus, exact, on the angles, I didn't really want to commit or settle down until recently but casual flings were not for me either. Waking up with a stranger is about as lonely as it gets...

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