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Topic: Meghan and Harry: what the declinations say
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Kannon McAfee Moderator Posts: 3402 From: Portland, OR - USA Registered: Oct 2011
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posted May 24, 2018 04:10 PM
Their chart comparison is a great example of how synastry is not done until you've at least surveyed the declinations for any major aspects (parallels and contra-parallels) that could color the overall picture.Meghan and Harry have mutual Sun-Moon parallels. This is an aspect that is every bit as indicative of basic bonding and unity as those planets in (longitude/zodiac) conjunction. I have not personally validated these Ascendant figures by testing, but the internal indicators are that they are at least generally accurate enough to rely on for the planet-to-planet comparisons. Harry's Moon is the stem planet of focus in a Yod with Meghan's Neptune and Pluto. Her creativity and trans-personal values will influence and reshape his habits and help grow his sensitivities. With his Moon in steady Taurus, I expect he has been quite willing. Some nice aspects are: - His Sun sextile her Uranus - His Venus sextile her Pluto - His Mars trine her Sun - His Jupiter square her Moon: yes, this is a positive aspect in synastry and generally, including in transits as even Robert Hand notes in his book [i]Planets in Transit[/b]. It shows he tends to be indulgent of her and feels extra giving to her. - His Saturn is sextile her Venus - His Saturn is trine her Mars - His Uranus is trine her Sun and Mercury - His Uranus is sextile her Jupiter and Saturn - His North Node parallel her Mercury, which helps with their communication as they move forward. More challenging aspects are: - His Sun square her Neptune - His Venus contra-parallel her Pluto - His Mars square her Venus, although many people like this type of aspect and it certainly does not ruin any synastry - His Jupiter contra-parallel her Mars - His Jupiter square her Saturn, so they have different notions of extravagance and its limits and/or ethical limits - His Uranus square her Venus - His Pluto square her North Node, and he has certainly transformed her life direction even so far, but it will be stressful for her to maintain her own direction and clear purpose. - His South Node conjunct her Uranus shows me a past life connection that was abruptly disrupted or broken and can make for some uneasiness moving forward. The most interesting aspect is: - His Uranus parallel her Neptune within 0°02' arc. This suggests they will be a highly unusual couple in some respects, and certainly already are against the backdrop of royal British tradition. After all, she is American and of mixed heritage. So this aspect implies some brilliance, some uniqueness, some creative approaches to their life together that could not only break conventions, but even induce the support of others in doing so. In the end, there is no better set of aspects than the mutual Sun-Moon parallels. This is why declinations are so important. I am not going to predict the fate of their marriage based on this (or even on a composite chart). I wish them a happy and long life together, just as I want for Heather and I. ------------------ "Drift like a cloud and flow like water, seeing that all life is a magnificent illusion, a playing of energy, and there is absolutely nothing fundamentally to be afraid of." -- Alan Watts Soul Stars Astrology by The Declinations Guy Declinations: because the planets move north and south of the celestial equator IP: Logged |
LunaIscariot Knowflake Posts: 1080 From: Canada Registered: Aug 2014
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posted May 24, 2018 05:32 PM
I’m really interested in learning more about declinations! Is there a free program or website I could use to figure out my own and others for synastry etc.? Thanks 😇IP: Logged |
Kannon McAfee Moderator Posts: 3402 From: Portland, OR - USA Registered: Oct 2011
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posted May 24, 2018 05:38 PM
Astrienst (astro.com) where most people here get their charts has a link right above the chart image: Additional tables (PDF). Click that for another tab to open with the free data sheet that shows declinations.You can also download freeware Astrolog that lists the declinations of planets with just a quick command line entered by going to the Edit menu > Enter Command Line, the typing /sr into the box. http://www.astrolog.org/astrolog.htm ------------------ "Drift like a cloud and flow like water, seeing that all life is a magnificent illusion, a playing of energy, and there is absolutely nothing fundamentally to be afraid of." -- Alan Watts Soul Stars Astrology by The Declinations Guy Declinations: because the planets move north and south of the celestial equator IP: Logged |
StoneMoon Knowflake Posts: 31 From: Registered: Apr 2018
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posted May 24, 2018 05:39 PM
What orbs do you consider in declinations? They need to stay fairly tight, correct?IP: Logged |
LunaIscariot Knowflake Posts: 1080 From: Canada Registered: Aug 2014
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posted May 24, 2018 06:02 PM
Awesome I’ll check it out, thank you! IP: Logged |
LunaIscariot Knowflake Posts: 1080 From: Canada Registered: Aug 2014
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posted May 24, 2018 06:11 PM
I only have moon 2 24’46 N and mars at 0 49’22 N Does this count? Lol it’s within 2 degrees... and does this act like a moon-mars conjunction? IP: Logged |
Kannon McAfee Moderator Posts: 3402 From: Portland, OR - USA Registered: Oct 2011
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posted May 24, 2018 06:23 PM
quote: Originally posted by StoneMoon: What orbs do you consider in declinations? They need to stay fairly tight, correct?
Yes. The Magi Society's 2.5° for all planets and aspects in declination is too wide. The McEvers-March textbook orb of 1° is too narrow, at least for some planets. Those are for one's own birth chart aspects. We tighten things up for synastry. So about 1.5° between Sun and Moon, but more around 1° or less for most of the rest. A bit more for Moon and Jupiter, but only 0°50' or so for Pluto. quote:
I only have moon 2 24’46 N and mars at 0 49’22 N Does this count? Lol it’s within 2 degrees... and does this act like a moon-mars conjunction?
That may be a bit too wide for natal Moon aspects. But it is close. I know that I've got verification for 1.5° between Moon and Asc, but Mars is further out. 1.6° like you've got there may be out of reach. Do you feel your emotions are a bit quick, run 'hot' and too reactive? Read a lot of descriptions of Moon conjunct Mars and see if you feel it fits. ------------------ "Drift like a cloud and flow like water, seeing that all life is a magnificent illusion, a playing of energy, and there is absolutely nothing fundamentally to be afraid of." -- Alan Watts Soul Stars Astrology by The Declinations Guy Declinations: because the planets move north and south of the celestial equator IP: Logged |
HappyLoewe Knowflake Posts: 290 From: Registered: Jan 2014
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posted May 24, 2018 06:32 PM
I have so much to learn "The art of simplicity is a puzzle of complexity." Douglas Horton IP: Logged |
Orange Knowflake Posts: 7209 From: Georgia Registered: May 2009
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posted May 24, 2018 06:56 PM
yes, me and Mir talked about their declinations last year when they announced the engagement. Its rather remarkable!Kate and Will also have the same thing and some more.... Kate and Will have both Suns and both Moons at 22' and 23' in declinations. So they have a quadralupe conjunction of Suns and Moons all together. It's because Will has a New Moon in his chart and Kate has a Full Moon in her chart. Their natal lunations are conjunct in the declinations. Brat Pitt and Angelina have the same thing, but this is off my memory IP: Logged |
Kannon McAfee Moderator Posts: 3402 From: Portland, OR - USA Registered: Oct 2011
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posted May 24, 2018 07:21 PM
quote: Originally posted by Orange: yes, me and Mir talked about their declinations last year when they announced the engagement. Its rather remarkable!Kate and Will also have the same thing and some more.... Kate and Will have both Suns and both Moons at 22' and 23' in declinations. So they have a quadralupe conjunction of Suns and Moons all together. It's because Will has a New Moon in his chart and Kate has a Full Moon in her chart. Their natal lunations are conjunct in the declinations.
Not quite. William's Sun is at 23N26 and Kate's 21N48, so within 1.6° is a wide parallel. But with William's Moon (Cancer) 22N34 and Kate's Sun (Capricorn) 22S04, that makes a contra-parallel aspect. quote:
Brat Pitt and Angelina have the same thing, but this is off my memory
No, Brad's Moon in Capricorn at 22 south is contra-parallel Angelina's Sun in Gemini at 22 north. Only his Uranus makes a declination aspect to her Moon at 8 North, but pretty tight. ------------------ "Drift like a cloud and flow like water, seeing that all life is a magnificent illusion, a playing of energy, and there is absolutely nothing fundamentally to be afraid of." -- Alan Watts Soul Stars Astrology by The Declinations Guy Declinations: because the planets move north and south of the celestial equator IP: Logged |
ChildofVenus Knowflake Posts: 2691 From: Customer Service Rep. Registered: Apr 2015
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posted May 24, 2018 08:52 PM
quote: Originally posted by Kannon McAfee: Astrienst (astro.com) where most people here get their charts has a link right above the chart image: Additional tables (PDF). Click that for another tab to open with the free data sheet that shows declinations.You can also download freeware Astrolog that lists the declinations of planets with just a quick command line entered by going to the Edit menu > Enter Command Line, the typing /sr into the box. http://www.astrolog.org/astrolog.htm
I downloaded Astrolog and tried to enter the information for my chart. I selected EST time zone but it won't accept it. Also what would I put for the latitude and longitude. IP: Logged |
Orange Knowflake Posts: 7209 From: Georgia Registered: May 2009
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posted May 24, 2018 08:55 PM
quote: Originally posted by Kannon McAfee: No, Brad's Moon in Capricorn at 22 south is contra-parallel Angelina's Sun in Gemini at 22 north. Only his Uranus makes a declination aspect to her Moon at 8 North, but pretty tight.
Kannon, isn't contra parallel just as powerful as the parallel? I thought it was IP: Logged |
FireVirgo Knowflake Posts: 51 From: Registered: Mar 2018
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posted May 24, 2018 08:57 PM
quote: Originally posted by Kannon McAfee: Astrienst (astro.com) where most people here get their charts has a link right above the chart image: Additional tables (PDF). Click that for another tab to open with the free data sheet that shows declinations.
Oh wow, thank you for this! Would Sun/Moon contra-parallel be interpretated the same as what you described above for parallel? Also, what do you make of Vertex parallel Vertex?
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EmGem Knowflake Posts: 2233 From: Registered: Jan 2015
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posted May 24, 2018 09:25 PM
Isn't that the parallel is interpreted like the conjunction.The contra parallel is interpreted like the opposition. ? IP: Logged |
Orange Knowflake Posts: 7209 From: Georgia Registered: May 2009
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posted May 24, 2018 09:48 PM
quote: Originally posted by EmGem: Isn't that the parallel is interpreted like the conjunction.The contra parallel is interpreted like the opposition. ?
that what im thinking. sun moon are powerful in both the conjucntions and oppositions - full and new moon IP: Logged |
llewsacm Knowflake Posts: 960 From: Registered: Mar 2015
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posted May 24, 2018 10:45 PM
It would depend on natal placements and Kate has moon opposite sun in her natal. So the contraparralel might bring a stronger affinity in this relationship. Idk kannon what do you think? IP: Logged |
Kannon McAfee Moderator Posts: 3402 From: Portland, OR - USA Registered: Oct 2011
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posted May 25, 2018 11:30 AM
quote: Originally posted by Orange: Kannon, isn't contra parallel just as powerful as the parallel? I thought it was
It can be, but has the dynamic of an opposition, which shows those energies are looking for integration and balance. With the parallel, the two energies are 'on the same wavelength.' ------------------ "Drift like a cloud and flow like water, seeing that all life is a magnificent illusion, a playing of energy, and there is absolutely nothing fundamentally to be afraid of." -- Alan Watts Soul Stars Astrology by The Declinations Guy Declinations: because the planets move north and south of the celestial equator IP: Logged |
Kannon McAfee Moderator Posts: 3402 From: Portland, OR - USA Registered: Oct 2011
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posted May 25, 2018 11:32 AM
quote: Originally posted by FireVirgo: Would Sun/Moon contra-parallel be interpretated the same as what you described above for parallel?
No. The contra-parallel is an opposition of declination. Therefore it has the same dynamic needing integration and balance. quote:
Also, what do you make of Vertex parallel Vertex?
I make nothing of it since I do not note or use Vertex in my work. ------------------ "Drift like a cloud and flow like water, seeing that all life is a magnificent illusion, a playing of energy, and there is absolutely nothing fundamentally to be afraid of." -- Alan Watts Soul Stars Astrology by The Declinations Guy Declinations: because the planets move north and south of the celestial equator IP: Logged |
Kannon McAfee Moderator Posts: 3402 From: Portland, OR - USA Registered: Oct 2011
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posted May 25, 2018 11:36 AM
quote: Originally posted by ChildofVenus: I downloaded Astrolog and tried to enter the information for my chart. I selected EST time zone but it won't accept it. Also what would I put for the latitude and longitude.
I've never had that problem. You could simply enter -5:00. Enter the coordinates for your birth city, found here by entering its name/state/country: https://www.itouchmap.com/?r=latlong ------------------ "Drift like a cloud and flow like water, seeing that all life is a magnificent illusion, a playing of energy, and there is absolutely nothing fundamentally to be afraid of." -- Alan Watts Soul Stars Astrology by The Declinations Guy Declinations: because the planets move north and south of the celestial equator IP: Logged |
Kannon McAfee Moderator Posts: 3402 From: Portland, OR - USA Registered: Oct 2011
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posted May 25, 2018 11:40 AM
quote: Originally posted by llewsacm: It would depend on natal placements and Kate has moon opposite sun in her natal. So the contraparralel might bring a stronger affinity in this relationship. Idk kannon what do you think?
The conjunction and parallel of Sun and Moon in synastry show more natural bonding or unity. Any Sun-Moon aspect is good, but with the contra-parallel or opposition more effort is needed to find harmony. ------------------ "Drift like a cloud and flow like water, seeing that all life is a magnificent illusion, a playing of energy, and there is absolutely nothing fundamentally to be afraid of." -- Alan Watts Soul Stars Astrology by The Declinations Guy Declinations: because the planets move north and south of the celestial equator IP: Logged |
Kannon McAfee Moderator Posts: 3402 From: Portland, OR - USA Registered: Oct 2011
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posted May 25, 2018 12:22 PM
Sun conjunct or parallel Moon is a comfy embrace of energies in which the receptivity of Moon welcomes and is warmed by Sun. When there are quite rare mutual Sun-Moon conjunctions or parallels, this is even doubly so. ------------------ "Drift like a cloud and flow like water, seeing that all life is a magnificent illusion, a playing of energy, and there is absolutely nothing fundamentally to be afraid of." -- Alan Watts Soul Stars Astrology by The Declinations Guy Declinations: because the planets move north and south of the celestial equator IP: Logged |
ariesdragon Knowflake Posts: 4642 From: Jupiter Registered: Jan 2012
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posted May 28, 2018 12:40 PM
quote: Originally posted by Kannon McAfee: Sun conjunct or parallel Moon is a comfy embrace of energies in which the receptivity of Moon welcomes and is warmed by Sun. When there are quite rare mutual Sun-Moon conjunctions or parallels, this is even doubly so.
This is nice, I find parallel's strong
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mir Knowflake Posts: 2756 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted May 28, 2018 12:58 PM
Yea that DW decs aspect is indeed verrry telling. Next to that they also are born under opposing lunar phases, just like Will & kate and Charles & Camilla; - W&K: Full Moon & New Moon - C&C: Appl. to Full Moon & Appl. to New Moon - M&H: Waning trine & Waxing sextile Harry and Megan met during a prog composite NEW MOON (result of both prog lunar phases dancing around the square)
Another luminary miracle to not forget during their first date in july '16;
His progressed Moon: 18'36 Cancer Her natal Asc: 24'17 Cancer Her progressed Moon: 5'55 Cap His natal Asc: 11'21 Cap ^ + 6 months and we have a DW pMoon-nASC conjunction. ^ Might it be that they're first pictured together in public at that time - december '16? (she also has an **exact** prog lunar phase square then) (the progressed Moon takes 28 years for a full ride around the clock)
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Kannon McAfee Moderator Posts: 3402 From: Portland, OR - USA Registered: Oct 2011
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posted May 28, 2018 07:36 PM
DW? Maybe you should spell that out or explain for those of us who don't know what you mean.------------------ "Drift like a cloud and flow like water, seeing that all life is a magnificent illusion, a playing of energy, and there is absolutely nothing fundamentally to be afraid of." -- Alan Watts Soul Stars Astrology by The Declinations Guy Expert Rectification IP: Logged |
mir Knowflake Posts: 2756 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted May 28, 2018 08:57 PM
DW = double whammy. Anyone not familiar with that?IP: Logged |