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posted July 07, 2018 08:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Solar_Leo_Queen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't know much about Lilith. I have literally no idea what it means.

My boyfriend and I have a lot of nice aspects in our synastry. I was just wondering if this was one of them or not.
I read Lilith represents something dark. Does he think I'm bad?

What happens when you have this in synastry?

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posted July 27, 2018 06:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StoneMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well Lilith is the part of us that we can't give in on. So who is Lilith and who is Sun?

For a Man's Sun on a woman's Lilith, his essence would draw this out in her. This part of him highlights or brings out her dark side, the side of her where she is totally free and unattainable, without bounds and where he (or anyone) cannot tame her or "own" her. It's sexy!

If it's his Lilith, she represents this part of him where he sees the type of woman who is unable to be caught. He wants her, wants to "catch" her and "own" her so to speak, but she's not able to be caught.

It can be obsessive for the planet person bcs they so badly want to capture this essence, but it's not possible. Lilith never gives in. Lilith cannot be caught, owned, or tamed.

It's sexual, obsessive, and resonant of Moon Pluto. She is the darker side of femininity, but through this power and strength there is much good to be had for the owner. If she is strong in a natal chart or synastry or composite, she needs to be understood to be handled properly. Otherwise, she's wild and can bring on chaos or unfortunate choices.

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posted July 29, 2018 09:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lalafortunaea     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lilith is "dark" but that doesn't necessarily mean "bad" in the sense of something we shouldn't want or just ignore in ourselves. Lilith is in us all. Lilith is the dark side of us that we meet so that we can understand ourselves better. For some, a Lilithian experience needs to happen to us in order to activate our Lilith.

For me, it was when I was a teen, and I was deeply betrayed, then, my Lilith was activated and got to know myself better. For others, other experiences awaken our Lilith, it doesn't always have to be betrayal. If our Lilith is still dormant, then I believe that in a synastry or chart in general, Lilith won't do much and express itself much. Sun will illuminate Lilith.

But if a relationship has a heavy Lilith theme, the purpose could be to activate each others Lilith and bring it to light so as to be understood.

Often, in a man's chart, it's the type of kinky darkness he wants from a woman.
In a woman's chart, it is who she is capable of being in a darker way.

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Well Lilith is the part of us that we can't give in on. So who is Lilith and who is Sun?

For a Man's Sun on a woman's Lilith, his essence would draw this out in her. This part of him highlights or brings out her dark side, the side of her where she is totally free and unattainable, without bounds and where he (or anyone) cannot tame her or "own" her. It's sexy!

If it's his Lilith, she represents this part of him where he sees the type of woman who is unable to be caught. He wants her, wants to "catch" her and "own" her so to speak, but she's not able to be caught.

It can be obsessive for the planet person bcs they so badly want to capture this essence, but it's not possible. Lilith never gives in. Lilith cannot be caught, owned, or tamed.

It's sexual, obsessive, and resonant of Moon Pluto. She is the darker side of femininity, but through this power and strength there is much good to be had for the owner. If she is strong in a natal chart or synastry or composite, she needs to be understood to be handled properly. Otherwise, she's wild and can bring on chaos or unfortunate choices.


Yes to all this^

Also, I wonder what you think of Lilith that rests on a man's dsc ? Specifically Pisces-Lilith?

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posted August 01, 2018 11:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for astrosaz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm experiencing Lilith at the moment and I know this because all these feelings are happening and I couldn't figure out where in the chart it was coming from until I added Lilith and from the very little information I've read about Lilith I've confirmed it is her energy I'm feeling.

I feel I know this because I've had these feelings only with two people and checked that I have their Sun and Venus on my lilith and another with Mars on my Lilith.

I don't know how strong the other aspects in your synastry is so depending on that it may skew the energy somewhat, how does he make you feel? Do you feel in control or powerful or confident in your sexual prowess? For me Lilith has only shown up in that sort of way, I would love to hear other experiences.

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posted August 02, 2018 12:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for angel4845     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lilith in synastry is dark, sexual, dominant, passively dominant, and bitchy in synastry. When your dealing with asteroids like Lilith you have to look for other geometric patterns involving other asteroids/planets that will complete the interpretation your looking for.

Donít rely on a single aspect interpretation , involve everything. Keep digging.
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posted August 02, 2018 08:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StoneMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Angel brings up a good point. You really need o look at the whole picture, but that should go without saying.

Those with strong lilith in their natal tend to run in to Lilith in relationships more frequently. IT's an energy they emit and therefore attract. Meeting someone who highlights Lilith in this person serves to encourage the Lilith person to deal with and own this part of themselves. Personally I love Lilith and find her strength and independence empowering.

If Lilith shows up in synastry for people who don't normally have strong Lilith, it can be all consuming and overwhelming. It becomes a strong energy that overpowers other things.

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posted August 02, 2018 08:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StoneMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Also, I wonder what you think of Lilith that rests on a man's dsc ? Specifically Pisces-Lilith?[/B][/QUOTE]


without seeing the rest of the aspects in play, it's possible she brings this essence of female strength to him through the relationship. I have found that those who put something on my DSC are there to complete a part of my life puzzle. Lilith on the DSC would help him integrate this part of himself, just through his interactions with the Lilith woman. In pisces, I think this reflects a level of spirituality and higher level of thinking in regards to this freedom. To me, it would be reminiscent of letting go of earthly, limiting beliefs and opening the higher mind.

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posted August 02, 2018 09:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for angel4845     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Angel brings up a good point. You really need o look at the whole picture, but that should go without saying.

Those with strong lilith in their natal tend to run in to Lilith in relationships more frequently. IT's an energy they emit and therefore attract. Meeting someone who highlights Lilith in this person serves to encourage the Lilith person to deal with and own this part of themselves. Personally I love Lilith and find her strength and independence empowering.

If Lilith shows up in synastry for people who don't normally have strong Lilith, it can be all consuming and overwhelming. It becomes a strong energy that overpowers other things.


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posted August 02, 2018 11:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Solar_Leo_Queen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've only experienced it this way..

I feel like I am "too strong" for a woman. I'm definitely not his type sexually, so it doesn't help (he has Mars in Cancer). I am usually very confident in my sexuality, but not with him. I admit that do I tone down some aspects of my personality for him, fearing it would turn him off.

My Sun is conjunct his Lilith in Leo. This doesn't feel like a great place to be all the time.

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posted August 03, 2018 04:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StoneMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh, the lesson here sounds like it's more for him!!!! Own your Lilith and know that he is the one who needs to come to terms with your strength!


Any other aspects to it? Planets or major asteroids? Houses? Synastry chart....

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posted August 03, 2018 08:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Solar_Leo_Queen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not sure which ones are major asteroids. Lilith is part of a grand fire trine with Pluto and Saturn. The conjunction is a bit wide, 5 degrees.

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posted August 03, 2018 08:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Solar_Leo_Queen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I also just realized he has Sun conjunct Lilith in his natal. I read somewhere that this aspect could indicate someone who is made to feel like an outcast and also does a lot of things that may be considered taboo. All of which is very true. It also said that such people can perform very powerful magick. He has been getting into the occult and has had dreams of trying to hide a special book from an angry mob back in the dark ages. He is very attracted to black magick, although he has been learning to depolarize himself.

I think the Lilith energy scares me a little bit. I am usually terrified of the stuff he tells me about black magick, even though I know it is not completely bad. I also usually get really uncomfortable when he talks about his sexual experiences involving married women and other kinds of "forbidden" sexual relationships in the past. Now that he's committed, it has been quite a struggle trying to get that image of him out of my head. Ever since I started dating him, I got the stigma on myself too. But I know he is not a bad person, and I genuinely love him. In fact, I am the voice of reason when he is meddling with something he shouldn't be. I think this is also a manifestation of Lilith on my Sun.

I do feel bad because now I realize he has always presented himself to me as who he really is. He has never pretended or been ashamed of his past. While I still get a little uncomfortable showing certain aspects of myself. He knows I'm not perfect and is okay with that.

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posted August 03, 2018 07:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StoneMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Can you post the chart where I can see the orbs? Or post the two separate natal charts? I need to see the degrees of the asteroids too.

Does your Lilith trine his moon?


I can confirm the Lilith conjunction sun description. He does need to be careful about using magic. Itís powerful and with this conjunction he needs to stay clean and upright. In the second house in Leo itís going to be about power of the self, and likely through obtaining material objects as proof or validation. Lilith fights for justice, so here he will have a strong sense to fight for his own personal justice. With a natal trine from Saturn I feel like this gives him the discipline and determination to not give up, to plod slowly and steadily away at his aims. Your Pluto completing the grand trine gives him more stability and the ability to affect this justice in his life through the change you bring to him.

You mentioned you are stabilizing to him, I sense this is partially why. I really like the Jupiter trine venus aspect between you, and even the moon opposite moon. I do feel like this provides balance and a lightness to his intensity. But I can understand how this makes you feel uncomfortable. It is a burden to you feeling like you are the line of good and evil for him, maybe? And he feels safe with you so he exposes some of his darker side to you, which youíre not so sure of. Moon opposite moon is working here too bcs you both handle things very differently. Cap moons are very practical and pragmatic, so he can be very black and white about what he is doing and what he has done. You on the other hand are responding to the emotion his actions and experiences bring up in you. This is part of the growth and testing of the relationship, expanding personal boundaries and awareness as well as learning to define your own limits.

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posted August 05, 2018 02:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Solar_Leo_Queen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Can you post the chart where I can see the orbs? Or post the two separate natal charts? I need to see the degrees of the asteroids too.

Does your Lilith trine his moon?


I can confirm the Lilith conjunction sun description. He does need to be careful about using magic. Itís powerful and with this conjunction he needs to stay clean and upright. In the second house in Leo itís going to be about power of the self, and likely through obtaining material objects as proof or validation. Lilith fights for justice, so here he will have a strong sense to fight for his own personal justice. With a natal trine from Saturn I feel like this gives him the discipline and determination to not give up, to plod slowly and steadily away at his aims. Your Pluto completing the grand trine gives him more stability and the ability to affect this justice in his life through the change you bring to him.

You mentioned you are stabilizing to him, I sense this is partially why. I really like the Jupiter trine venus aspect between you, and even the moon opposite moon. I do feel like this provides balance and a lightness to his intensity. But I can understand how this makes you feel uncomfortable. It is a burden to you feeling like you are the line of good and evil for him, maybe? And he feels safe with you so he exposes some of his darker side to you, which youíre not so sure of. Moon opposite moon is working here too bcs you both handle things very differently. Cap moons are very practical and pragmatic, so he can be very black and white about what he is doing and what he has done. You on the other hand are responding to the emotion his actions and experiences bring up in you. This is part of the growth and testing of the relationship, expanding personal boundaries and awareness as well as learning to define your own limits.


Yeah, this is all true. I do feel that I balance him out. His curiosity gets him a lot, could land him in trouble. He used to go too far with everything he studies before we even dated.

I'm so confused though, bc he's still not sexually attracted to me even when we have that Lilith-Sun conjunction and Moon-Mars conjunction. I'm not his type sexually and he's not mine either.

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posted August 05, 2018 04:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StoneMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So he's not at all sexually attracted to you, or you him, yet you are in a romantic relationship?

Do you mean you don't find him physically attractive? Because attraction can happen through energy too.

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posted August 05, 2018 04:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Solar_Leo_Queen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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So he's not at all sexually attracted to you, or you him, yet you are in a romantic relationship?

Do you mean you don't find him physically attractive? Because attraction can happen through energy too.


Idk how to really explain this, but let me give you an example.

He likes sweet innocent-looking girls (Mars in Cancer) in bed. They turn him on. He's not very much into girls who are sexually provocative or girls who own their sexuality. He likes shy types in bed.

It frustrates me because I'm not like that. I have Mars in Libra in the 5th house. I enjoy sex. I own my sexuality. I don't show it outright like Mars in Aries would. But I like to tease. He's not into that. He likes girls who are completely oblivious that something sexual is going on. He doesn't condone rape but likes it when he knows it's only roleplay. I like men that I can tease.

Idk what most people would call this. Our sex life is lackluster because of this.

We still do it, but not how most couples who are sexually compatible would do it.

I find him quite attractive but not in a sexual way. The way he is with sex brings down my confidence in my sexuality. I have always struggled through life with people saying I need to be softer, less outspoken, less assertive, etc. They want me to be more feminine but it's not in my nature. He knows this and doesn't force me to be. He only like damsels in distress for sex, not so much for relationships. He finds strong women a better suit for him romantically.

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posted August 06, 2018 06:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StoneMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Idk how to really explain this, but let me give you an example.

He likes sweet innocent-looking girls (Mars in Cancer) in bed. They turn him on. He's not very much into girls who are sexually provocative or girls who own their sexuality. He likes shy types in bed.

It frustrates me because I'm not like that. I have Mars in Libra in the 5th house. I enjoy sex. I own my sexuality. I don't show it outright like Mars in Aries would. But I like to tease. He's not into that. He likes girls who are completely oblivious that something sexual is going on. He doesn't condone rape but likes it when he knows it's only roleplay. I like men that I can tease.

Idk what most people would call this. Our sex life is lackluster because of this.

We still do it, but not how most couples who are sexually compatible would do it.

I find him quite attractive but not in a sexual way. The way he is with sex brings down my confidence in my sexuality. I have always struggled through life with people saying I need to be softer, less outspoken, less assertive, etc. They want me to be more feminine but it's not in my nature. He knows this and doesn't force me to be. He only like damsels in distress for sex, not so much for relationships. He finds strong women a better suit for him romantically.


What he does to your sexual confidence feels like a harsh saturn mars aspect. I struggle with the bi-wheel charts bcs I like to see degrees, but you actually sound like a strong Lilith Sun person. Your experiences in your life where you are "too" strong and need to tone it down sound very Lilith like.

He has lessons to learn with Lilith too, which is likely why you two found your way to each other. And perhaps the fact that he is strongly connected to his own lilith is challenging you to be yours. I found integrating and accepting Lilith in my youth was much more of an issue, whereas now I can handle and use her energy positively.

Your Lilith is in Earth, so she has a different flair. She would be more connected to Virgoan things, so health, nature, routine, order. She's not as "self" oriented as his Leo Lilith, and she's not as fired up, passionate. But she's strong and stable and grounded.

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posted August 10, 2018 06:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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