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Nine
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posted August 13, 2018 08:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In natal synastry we have:

Venus in Aquarius sq Mars in Taurus. By progression we have; Mars in Aqua sq Venus in Taurus, and Mars in Gemini sq Venus in Pisces.

All told,

nVenus in Aqua sq nMars in Taurus
pVenus in Pisces sq pMars in Gemini
nVenus in Taurus sq pMars in Aquarius

Knowflakes, what has been your experience with this aspect?

At this end it has been frustrating. I know what I'd like to happen between us, but...the outlook is bleak.

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posted August 14, 2018 04:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nine!..

I keep coming back to the biggies of Westran in my research (can't be denied). And you know what he said about the squares, there is attraction but it doesn't seem to work. .< Talking about progressed squares here mainly now.
My parents had a tight Venus/Mars square in syna but their relationship started when that same Venus was progressing in a trine to that natal Mars by 1 deg.


Personally.. I suffered under some wider progressed applying Venus/Mars squares. With one of them I even had a progressed applying DW Venus/Mars square which will be totally exact at the same time too in 2021 (his pVenus square my pMars - my pVenus square his pMars) .. we were already so completely out-of-sync sexually that I even stopped doing it entirely with him!
And with that other guy.. well it's now applying by about 2 deg (his pVenus square my pMars and some degs later it will touch my natal Mars by square) pfffftt.. nah, this again will not work, although I hoped it after our Sun/Venus square for too many yearss (retro prog venus) finally started to separate... NOPE! (we want but can't I swear with a lot of frustration as a result / moving truly on again now .. no looking back as this guy has eaten my energy for a decade now!)

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posted August 14, 2018 06:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StoneMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have had an on off relationship over the past four years and it started with his progressed Mars square my natal Venus. Despite the synastry and true feelings, it didn't work.

In synastry my Mars trines his Venus, and his Mars widely squares my Venus.

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posted August 14, 2018 09:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I suspect that ^ is also the one that broke my ex (from the double square) and his new girl, his pMars square her nVenus. Ooow and it all started soo sexually lovely.. they cried together after their first intimate hours :crying: .. for so soo sooo long they missed this kind of intimacy. pfff

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posted August 14, 2018 09:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I keep coming back to the biggies of Westran in my research (can't be denied). And you know what he said about the squares, there is attraction but it doesn't seem to work. .< Talking about progressed squares here mainly now.

<tears> Yeah. I know, but he won't leave me alone*. And he's so cute, and so exciting, and I can't remember the last time I've felt this way over somebody.

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My parents had a tight Venus/Mars square in syna but their relationship started when that same Venus was progressing in a trine to that natal Mars by 1 deg.

Oh, wow.

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posted August 14, 2018 09:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I suspect that ^ is also the one that broke my ex (from the double square) and his new girl, his pMars square her nVenus. Ooow and it all started soo sexually lovely.. they cried together after their first intimate hours :crying: .. for so soo sooo long they missed this kind of intimacy. pfff

OMG!! He cried after their first bedroom encounter? He told you this?

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posted August 14, 2018 09:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by StoneMoon:
I have had an on off relationship over the past four years and it started with his progressed Mars square my natal Venus. Despite the synastry and true feelings, it didn't work.

In synastry my Mars trines his Venus, and his Mars widely squares my Venus.


Ahhh, so sad. I think I've made peace with the fact we won't end up together.

I looked at his pMoon in Libra, and our nSun trine nVenus, and thought he might be the one...

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posted August 14, 2018 09:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Nine:
OMG!! He cried after their first bedroom encounter? He told you this?

Yup, he literally told me this. We were still pretty close at that time and ofcourse I was curious…

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posted August 14, 2018 09:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is there a bell ringing?

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posted August 14, 2018 09:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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<tears> Yeah. I know, but he won't leave me alone*. And he's so cute, and so exciting, and I can't remember the last time I've felt this way over somebody.

That is number ONE! ^ No astrology has the power to kill that (thank god)..

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posted August 14, 2018 10:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes! He makes me feel alive. He arouses a nervousness in me when I talk to him, and a jealousy in me when he talks to some people. I can do without the jealousy.

Like, when I do something to make him happy, he gets happy and I see it. When he makes me mad, I make him mad and I can see this too. He is so emotionally open. He is no saint, but he's in tuned with me at the emotional level. I think we may have nMoon conjunct nMoon.

I was hoping against hope that we were the exception. That perhaps something was overlooked.

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posted August 15, 2018 06:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Melinn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How do you guys think it feels like whe there is Mars-square venus in synastry AND also Mars trine Venus?

Both harmonic and disharmonic energies between them? How does that play out in your opinion?

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posted August 15, 2018 08:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StoneMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Melinn:
How do you guys think it feels like whe there is Mars-square venus in synastry AND also Mars trine Venus?

Both harmonic and disharmonic energies between them? How does that play out in your opinion?


For me, unending sexual attraction. I have never felt so attracted, and he said the same. We would go months without seeing each other, but the second we were in touch again, we were literally in touch again.

I know if I see him again, even though emotionally we have to be done, I will still feel attracted.

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posted August 15, 2018 08:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StoneMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Nine:
Ahhh, so sad. I think I've made peace with the fact we won't end up together.

I looked at his pMoon in Libra, and our nSun trine nVenus, and thought he might be the one...


Yeah the feelings are still there, the fading progression just seemed to mark the ending. I tried many times to make it work, but he is not ready.

I actually was very angry at him over the last ending, and very hurt. But then I had a dream and I saw how miserable he is, and all anger is gone. (We also have DW Moon Neptune and DW Moon Pluto). I can't go back to him bcs we have a pattern now, and I know how it will end. But I still have feelings for him, probably always will.

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posted August 15, 2018 07:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Melinn:
How do you guys think it feels like whe there is Mars-square venus in synastry AND also Mars trine Venus?

Both harmonic and disharmonic energies between them? How does that play out in your opinion?


My parents had the square + trine in their syna. Great I would say!

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posted August 15, 2018 08:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
**I looked at his pMoon in Libra, and our nSun trine nVenus, and thought he might be the one...**


I have a cat and we never had the progressed biggies, not from the start. But we do have an exact nSun-nVenus trine (me Sun) … and that's what is keeping it alive… never thought I would live with a Sun/Venus in Aries but well.. it works, but we came together during an EXACT progressed composite New Moon. I was like WoW! (the progressed compo lunar phase is verrry telling: FQ, LQ, NM, FM are the ones to look out for as they indicate CHANGE! - START!)

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posted August 15, 2018 09:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just noticed we also have 3-way Sun trine Venus aspects.

18° Gemini nSun trine 19° Aqua nVenus
10° Pisces pSun trine 15° Cancer pVenus
25° Cancer pSun trine 20° Pisces pVenus

We also have an exact nVenus opposite nPluto aspect.

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posted August 16, 2018 12:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
WoWWW Nine!
I'm flabbergasted... you do have an exact progressed composite Sun/Venus conjunction! At 17,5 Scorp.
This is one I'm completely sure about that the attraction is off the wall! It even has the power to bring people together. Yup that on its own! I recently came across a very interesting couple without any syna prog biggies but there I found an exact very tightly applying progressed composite Sun/Venus conjunction! They just married. There were more cases I found this while there weren't any other prog syna aspects going on. So yup, I consider this a very sound alternative for Westran's biggies. I probably should say: the ONLY sound alternative I found until now!

Even better in your case.. the next decades that one Sun/Venus trine will become tighter and tighter… Nine, nothing to worry about!

Some math background: A composite CONJUNCTION is verry special and verry powerful. It's in fact a same-aspect DW (double whammy). Next to that the angle between A's Sun-Venus is the exact same as the angle between B's Sun-Venus.


Apart from certain progressed composite Lunar phases (NM, FM, FQ, LQ), I have not found any other progressed composite aspect telling when it comes to a new start. Again: only Sun-Venus. Even if that would mean a DW Sun-Venus square, resulting in a prog composite Sun-Venus conjunction.

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posted August 16, 2018 11:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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WoWWW Nine!
I'm flabbergasted... you do have an exact progressed composite Sun/Venus conjunction! At 17,5 Scorp.
This is one I'm completely sure about that the attraction is off the wall! It even has the power to bring people together. Yup that on its own! I recently came across a very interesting couple without any syna prog biggies but there I found an exact very tightly applying progressed composite Sun/Venus conjunction! They just married. There were more cases I found this while there weren't any other prog syna aspects going on. So yup, I consider this a very sound alternative for Westran's biggies. I probably should say: the ONLY sound alternative I found until now!


That's excellent. Up til now I couldn't figure out what caused the attraction on my end. pComposite Sun/Venus conjunct in Scorpio makes sense. 17° is also key because I have Sun & Asc close by.

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Even better in your case.. the next decades that one Sun/Venus trine will become tighter and tighter… Nine, nothing to worry about!

I overlooked this aspect due to the 5° orb. I dunno. He's there, but I feel he's asking for something I don't quite understand what, and can't give him...at least not in our current environment.

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posted August 16, 2018 12:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mir, have you looked into progressed "StringTheory"?

Progressed StringTheory shows a connection or "string" between new people you meet and relationships from your past.

Eg. you meet someone and their pChart is aligned with your natal chart. You interact and ultimately move on. Years later you meet a random person, you look at their chart to find this new person's nChart is the progressed positions of a past relationship. Seemingly, this new relationship is a continuation of an old one.

Eg#2. Years ago I dated a Scorpio born Nov. 15th, he was 18yo and at the time his chart had progressed to December 4th. Thus, during our relationship I was dealing with both his nChart and his pChart.

One year later I met a new guy who was keen on spending time with me. I peeked his chart to find he was born December 4th, same year as the Scorpio.

The last time I spoke with the Sagittarius he said something that still bring tears to my eyes. Felt like I was always chasing the Scorpio. On our final date I said, "I feel like this will be the last time I see you." Scorpio said, no. I said, then meet me on Monday. Come Monday, Scorpio was a no-show.

A month before I moveed away I bump into the Sagittarius. He says, you told me you would be here in the afternoons, I've been coming here and I don't see you. Seriously, what days do you come here? "Afternoons, between 5 & 7". He calls me a week before leaving, reception on my phone is poor, I could hear him, but he couldn't hear me...

I would've liked to spend time with him before leaving.

It is now six years since I moved away. I met a Capricorn whose nChart is the pChart of the Sagittarius I left in my home state. Sagittarius was born on the 4th, his chart had progressed to the 23rd when I started talking to him. This Capricorn was born on the 23rd, same year as both the Sagittarius and the Scorpio. Capricorn was keen on getting something with me, but a misunderstanding got in the way. After I left the Cappy's orbit he was in my dreams to say, "if you needed something you could've just asked me, I would've gotten it for you."

So mir, have you come across anything like this, Progressed StringTheory, in your studies?

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posted August 16, 2018 09:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The reason I bring up PST (Progressed StringTheory) is because I believe the object of the OP belongs to a string from an earlier "relationship". Though I cannot figure why that relationship would need to be relived.

It was November 1st, 2010 in the evening. I saw him at the social club, gave heavy eye-contact. Eventually he came over. We chatted into the night. Then he said he lives out of town but travels to my city twice per year "May & November". Was leaving the next day but hope to see me in the spring.

Sometime in May 2011, I am at the social club. Didn't know he was there, suddenly he's behind me, invites me for drinks, pays. It was a beautiful date. I wanted more, but he had to leave early.

November 2011. I am distracted in the grocery store. I sense someone scurrying away from me, it was my Aqua friend. I didn't call out as he had his game face on. Later on, I am laughing at a funny headline at checkout, I look over and it is Aqua staring at me. He avoids eye contact, so again I didn't initiate. I left the store...never saw him again.

Now it's 2018, May 31st. This was the day I met the current Aqua.

Aqua I met in 2010 was born in January, Aqua I met earlier this year was born in February...same year.

The pChart of the Aqua I met in 2010 is now the nChart of the Aqua I just met in 2018.

In 2010 my pMoon was in Aquarius. Now in 2018 my pMoon is in Taurus.

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posted August 16, 2018 10:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orange     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
when I met my then husband and then got married to him, during that time we had a progressed Venus-Mars square. His p Mars in Aqua squared my p Venus in Scorpio. It was exact square around the wedding day - his p Mars was at 8' Aqua, my p Venus was at 8' Scorpio.
We dated for an year and a half before that during which the aspect was applying.

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posted August 16, 2018 10:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Were there any pMoon to nSun or nAsc aspects?

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posted August 17, 2018 12:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orange     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not on the wedding day

His p Moon was at 28' Aries. I have nothing on that degree in my natal

My p Moon was at 15' Aries, he has nothing on that degree either

Let me check for when we got together...

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posted August 17, 2018 12:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orange     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
there was no p Moon on natal in the synastry at the time we started it, but his p Moon was on my p ASC, by a widish conjunction of 3'

However, I noticed that at that time I had a progressed Full Moon in my progressed chart. MIR is big on lunation phases, and here it is confirming that again.

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