posted October 01, 2018 09:23 PM            

I am really interested in patterns in the Davison chart (not Composite). Patterns that involve the love planets in particular, it seems that this is a primary factor for the relationship, and I'm wondering if it is indeed a MUST.

I notice in my own experience it is common to have the love planets involved in a pattern too! Also in my experience, I notice that Juno is involved.

Those who have them, please post your Davisons and tell us a bit about your relationship for this research and learning discussion

Feel free to post your synastry chart too so the people involved can be compared. The discussion can give feedback on who's getting what out of the relationship, and who's more attached.

posted October 02, 2018 12:01 PM            

Davison:

Our Composite! Our chart ruler conjuncts the SUN in composite and the Moon in Davison.

posted October 02, 2018 12:07 PM            

The things I see in composite, I can see in davison.

For ex in composite sun and moon are in contact with pluto.

In davison there is a stellium in scorpio, moon conjunct plutos etc.

posted October 02, 2018 01:32 PM            

In theory, how much can they differ? Can a Davison be entirely different than a composite? Aren't they based on similar theories?

Here's the Davison of a very significant relationship that is causing so much heartache right now. We've known each other since primary school, dated for ten months last year and I put things on ice last month because I could see how different we were - but I'm paralyzed with sadness! There is one other instance in my life where I was this sad about the breakdown of a relationship, and that had lasted seven years. I'm not sure whether coming back together is on the cards for us, or even a good idea because it's a bit like we share two halves of the exact same nucleus but with completely, completely different outer layers.

What do you think this Davison says?

In general, do you think the synastry and Davison talk to each other in anyway? How so?

posted October 02, 2018 02:02 PM            

I feel it makes more sense than the composite.

Scorpio rising with Pluto there in the 1st.. it was a really Scorpio type relationship; lots of passion, intimacy, chemistry, and intensity/compulsiveness, but also lots of mind games/manipulation, power struggles, secrets etc.
Was a rollercoaster of a relationship lol

Also, the mercury R conjunct Neptune lol! We had horrible communication issues, always had misunderstandings a lot. I never felt like he understood me and he felt the same.
The communication problems are what really ruined our relationship.

The sun in aqua conjunct Uranus and mars, moon in Aries
Our relationship was constantly on and off (aqua/Uranus) and always arguing/fighting/conflict lol (sun conjunct mars, moon in Aries) but tooonnnsss of sexual attraction and chemistry always, even when we were mad at each other or fighting. Maybe the moon conjunct Eros helped with that too?

Here’s the synastry for natal to Davison comparison
He’s inside I’m outside

His moon (his chart ruler) was conjunct the Davison ASC 5 degrees
Davison Venus conjunct his natal DSC ruler Saturn in Pisces 3 degrees
His natal IC ruler Mercury conjunct Davison IC 2 degrees
Davison Saturn conjunct his natal MC 1 degree...

I just noticed all of his angles or angle rulers are involved or activated/connected to the Davison somehow
The cap/aqua stellium in Davison falls in his 7th/8th house natally, my 10th

posted October 02, 2018 08:03 PM            

Yes, good thread because there isn't much out there on Davison's chart analysis, thanks for your contribution!

Who's who in your synastry? Are you the blue? And also, who's who in your synastry? I can assess further if you'd like to provide these details.

I see with your Davison you have a pattern: I really like this "talent triangle" in all charts. It's a gentle and intimate focus of the chart, and in a Davison, I am considering that it is a little bit special for the two people. I speculate that it needs to involve the particular romantic planets in a Davison to provide this "special" feeling in the chart. Your Davison has Saturn involved (with Venus, Vertex, and Mercury) so the strength and commitment is there. Also, again, conjunct Juno. I am seeing Juno quite active in these charts also.

But of course that doesn't mean that a relationship won't can't happen without the patterns. It's just a different type of relationship (hypatia238 )

LunaIscariot, I find that information that you provide here very interesting. Your Davison chart to me, looks nice (I am a novice though)?

Not talking about house placements but -

The ruler and the DC are nicely trined to the stellium. The stellium is cozy there, with Juno and Sun and Mars. Funny, you say about communication.. I don't think I would've picked up that your communication was challenged, given the tidy stellium and the trines. I mean, it wouldn't have occurred to me that Neptune conjunct Mercury would be THAT bad under the above circumstances. But I am only learning (so thanks for sharing!).

I would then say that it's the Moon square that's the issue. It may have contributed to the difficult communication too (and daily communication because Moon in the 6H)? Lots of passion though as you say (Mars conjunction) but not enough primal care to nourish the relationship and to have comfortable downtime with each other, and have that non verbal and visceral understanding (all Moon things). And also that Moon's ruler (Mars) is in that stellium.. What a bummer, hey.

I will look more at your synastry too. It looks like that stellium is over both of your Suns; the NN is over your Vertex; the Venus is on his Saturn. That's more than enough imo to bind you both together and be committed to the relationship and feel united.

I am also perhaps finding that the Moon nodes are important. I speculate that if they are not part of the integrity of the chart it can leave the two people with a bit of an emotional void. It can seed a slight implied doubt in the relationship, each person wondering if the other is really into the relationship (maybe?), because it lacks a certainty of direction. But this is also dependent on the people: the age of them, where they are in life, and other general context elements, including other aspects in the chart.

posted October 03, 2018 02:24 AM            

Funny I just seen today that he texted me last week and were talking again after our last fight

posted October 03, 2018 03:35 AM            

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Originally posted by sassaqua:
HieronymusTush,

Yes, good thread because there isn't much out there on Davison's chart analysis, thanks for your contribution!

Who's who in your synastry? Are you the blue? And also, who's who in your synastry? I can assess further if you'd like to provide these details.

I see with your Davison you have a pattern: I really like this "talent triangle" in all charts. It's a gentle and intimate focus of the chart, and in a Davison, I am considering that it is a little bit special for the two people. I speculate that it needs to involve the particular romantic planets in a Davison to provide this "special" feeling in the chart. Your Davison has Saturn involved (with Venus, Vertex, and Mercury) so the strength and commitment is there. Also, again, conjunct Juno. I am seeing Juno quite active in these charts also.

But of course that doesn't mean that a relationship won't can't happen without the patterns. It's just a different type of relationship (hypatia238 )

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sassaqua, I am the Libra Sun blue! Very interested in this talent pattern you mention.

posted October 03, 2018 03:42 AM            

The synastry looks alright at a glance.. but you realise your Sun is not aspected [edit: it is opposite Venus and other aspects according to the grid sorry]? That's tricky (been there).

Also, blue's Sun on your SN. Some people like it, personally I don't (at all). But of course, in depends on the weighting of the whole chart and the journey context of the lives of the people (age, etc).

posted October 03, 2018 06:56 AM            

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Originally posted by HieronymusTush:

In general, do you think the synastry and Davison talk to each other in anyway? How so?

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Not able to comment on your Davison's but you have some challenges in synastry with basic incompatibility of personal planets. There a lot of quincunxes in this synastry and eventually both feel unappreciated and cannot change much about it. The SN/Sun conjunction gives the feeling of being two parts of one soul, but it does not help with romantic compatibility.

posted October 03, 2018 07:09 AM            

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Originally posted by MyRealName:
There a lot of quincunxes in this synastry and eventually both feel unappreciated and cannot change much about it

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Those quincunxes are generally supported by other flowing aspects though.. While challenging yes, I think there are some outlets.

posted October 03, 2018 07:30 AM            

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Originally posted by sassaqua:
Those quincunxes are generally supported by other flowing aspects though.. While challenging yes, I think there are some outlets.

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posted October 03, 2018 08:38 AM            

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Originally posted by MyRealName:
That's a good point, I am curious to see whether it worked in my own charts.
Also curious to hear how the HieronymusTush deals with Sun/Mercury inconjunct Sun.

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I am the blue.

MyRealName, well, not quite sure I was able to deal with it. I love this person with %5000 of my heart - I would say the ability to communicate very, very clearly and healthily is what kept it going for as long as it did. Our communication has always been completely revelatory and close, and for a long while I felt disagreements were absolutely crucial to bettering our respective issues as human beings. I have not encountered anyone else I was so happy to talk to about intimate issues. Extremely passionate too. I felt our communication and relationship would continually improve us as human beings - it was as if the relationship itself was like a child, educating us on how to be better. We were so incredibly happy when we were, the disagreements were as strong.

After a while though, at some point, our differences felt threatening to each other, as opposed to complementary. We left things at a standstill right before we were hurtful. So I guess I would be interested to see if people think whether it's a good idea to keep investing energy into it, whether it's the kind of basic dynamic that would keep creating value, or just create bitterness in the long run.

posted October 03, 2018 09:05 AM            

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Originally posted by sassaqua:

I'd like to look at the synastry connections into the Davison. [/B]

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Super interested to see how you go about this. Thank you!

posted October 03, 2018 09:18 AM            

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Originally posted by sassaqua:
HieronymusTush -

The synastry looks alright at a glance.. but you realise your Sun is not aspected [edit: it is opposite Venus and other aspects according to the grid sorry]? That's tricky (been there).

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It's my sun on the SN, opposite his NN.

My Sun has these aspects in the synastry:

My sun is inconj his Sun and Merc
My Sun is trine his Venus
My Sun is square his Mars
My Sun is conj his Plutp

In the Davison we have merc. sextile venus, trine Saturn and Jupiter, biquintile Uranus, square Pluto, NN and SN, conj Vertex, sextile MC. Mercury is in Cancer, in the 8th house.

posted October 03, 2018 10:36 AM            

Having Taurus/DSC on the relationship 1st 7th axis, having all fixed angle in general actually, I think is important for long-term relationships, it adds a durability.
In our case, Taurus/Scorpio is all about loyalty, intimacy, deep bonding/merging etc. both these signs are very very committed and don't let go easily. They become very attached.
Our 7th being in Taurus makes sense why we were always touching each other, very affectionate relationship, I would give him massages all the time, very cuddly and comfortable but routine, we liked doing a lot of the same things all the time and our connection with each other is very comfortable.
The ruler of our 7th is Venus in Pisces conjunct Saturn in the 4th!
We are extremely tolerant of each other! And too forgiving lol we can't stay mad for long (Pisces) and being in the 4th again makes sense with the very nurturing, warm, affectionate, cuddly nature of our relationship and how we expressed our love for each other.
Taurus and Pisces and cancer energies all connected to our Venus and 7th house.
The Saturn conjunction is actually good I think to balance out all the watery energies of our Venus being in Pisces and in the 4th; it again adds a durability and committedness, sticking it out during tough times, Saturn isn't daunted by challenges or when things get tough.
Most people probably would have probably completely ended it a long time ago, like there's been times we can't even stand to look at each other, but yet, we've always stuck it out.
Venus conjunct Saturn I feel shows an enduring love, one that can stand the test of time or challenges.

With our Mars in Aqua haha I find this very accurate because we had a very interesting sexlife, like we would do or try anything, totally open-minded and trying new things etc. Very kinky.
Was definitely the opposite of boring.
This fits perfectly.

I already mentioned how the sun in aqua conjunct Uranus and mars came into play as well, being prone to conflicts and bickering/arguments lol and we would break up all the time for a couple days or a week then get back together.
And talked about the mercury retrograde being conjunct Neptune, how misunderstandings were common.

Moon in Aries, passionate but prone to getting into arguments because Aries is again ruled by mars and we could work each other up easily lol. And be impulsive with each other. I felt a lot more assertive with him.
I definitely feel like an Aries moon with him lol I tend to be the initiator of everything as well.

Idk how the Juno comes into play here, i honesty don't use this asteroid that much it never seems to be that prominent in the charts I study, but could also show the durability of our bond.

posted October 03, 2018 10:55 AM            

Looking at the 1st and 7th in a Davison I feel is a really good start to see the overall tone/themes of the relationship.
Just like in a natal chart, everything else in the chart is filtered and coloured through this axis.
1st house is always the basic temperament/personality, and 7th, how we relate to others or in this case with the Davison chart, our partner in the relationship.
You also have Venus in Pisces like we did, did you feel like you had a spiritual connection/love? And were you very forgiving with each other, tended to gloss over each other's faults and focus on the good?

One thing I'll note with your charts, is the heavy 6th/12th house activation. This isn't ideal, because this shows an imbalance with the dynamic between you, sun/mercury in 12th probably also made you two not see each other clearly with the already strong neptunian energy of your moon and Venus being in Pisces.
This looks like a very spiritual relationship, but also maybe prone to drugs or alcohol, escapism? Or secrets/deceptions, illusions.

How was your sex life? I ask because I see mars in libra and R... very weak mars here. And with all the Pisces energy which isn't very passionate or sexual, more platonic in nature especially since your moon and Venus is in the 11th as well.
I don't see much passion or chemistry here, with the weak mars energy, no personal planets in fire and not really any mars aspects besides mars square Neptune which is again adding a more spiritual tone and not very sexual?
But with the relationship w us being in Taurus and Scorpio there still must have been some intense bonding going on regardless.

The moon conjunct Venus in Pisces though with Venus being the ASC ruler as well, makes me feel like you two had a really harmonious, sweet, emotional connection and understanding of each other!
Probably never had much arguments or conflicts
This looks very sweet and tender and lots of empathy here. Beautiful.

posted October 03, 2018 11:03 AM            

oh definitely! Thanks a heap

The Aries Moon.. square it's ruler (wide) and all else - how do you think it played out? I mean, was it just assertiveness?

Just that it LOOKS so aggressive with no ease aspects.

How funny that all those squares to his Moon are there in the synastry as well.

How long where you together? Did you live together?

Thanks for sharing you insights.

posted October 03, 2018 11:18 AM            

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Originally posted by sassaqua:
LunaIscariot,

oh definitely! Thanks a heap

The Aries Moon.. square it's ruler (wide) and all else - how do you think it played out? I mean, was it just assertiveness?

Just that it LOOKS so aggressive with no ease aspects.

How long where you together? Did you live together?

Thanks for sharing you insights.

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You're welcome

Well it's not square it's ruler mars?
It's square mercury 2 degrees, Neptune 3 degrees and Uranus 8 degrees lol
It's in the 6th house which I feel helps a lot, if it were in a fire house or something probably would have been worse lol! But it's the Virgo house which is more timid and reserve, and being square Neptune I feel helps add a bit more softness, luckily it's not squared by any Malefics like Pluto, Saturn or mars..
the ruler is conjunct the sun and IC and isn't afflicted at all so I feel this helps as well.
But we definitely can get really worked by from each other, I've seen him throw **** around and I once got so mad I poured my water bottle on him lol and he pushed me on the bed. (neither of us got hurt at all lmao)
So we could be shitheads to each other, like triggering impulsive feelings and just acting on it.
But it was never "aggressive" physically or anything like that lol besides the water and push thing lol we laugh about it now though. It was all over spaghetti btw 😂
So stupid lmao.
Like he would never ever ever hit me or hurt me physically, I've never once been scared of him lol!

He was just verbally/emotionally abusive at times when angry, he has natal mars in 3rd house opposite mercury in 8th and square Pluto! And he's a Scorpio moon lol they lash out verbal onslaughts.
But I was a jerk too, were both guilty of this sometimes.
Again, that Aries moon and sun conjunct mars lol just like a normal person with these placements would be more petty or prone to conflicts, that's how we could be sometimes lol.
At the end of the day though like I said, we forgive each other since it's all over such minor irrelevant things half the time lol

3 years, and like I said he just texted me yesterday, so we're still good 👍
We've been officially broken up for a year now, but working on things since last year around this time things got really bad and we decided we needed to take a break and just work on our friendship again first. But we still slept together and literal nothing changed during this past year haha we weren't with other people or anything and he still wants us to get back together officially if we can work out the last few kinks.

posted October 03, 2018 11:28 AM            

Maybe it's just getting a bit late here but, in your synastry, I don't see that his "natal mars in 3rd house opposite mercury in 8th and square Pluto!" I see he's a Scorpio moon yes.

You have a Mars opposite Saturn? That Mars conjunct your NN? ( I thought maybe within a t-square to your stellium but no it's not).

posted October 03, 2018 12:56 PM            

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Originally posted by LunaIscariot:
Hypatia; I noticed you have Taurus/Scorpio on the relationship axis as well 👍
This matches my theory that if you do, the relationship will be very deep, intimate, passionate about emotions etc. Just like the 2nd/8th house axis all about deep merging and bonding,
That's why you describe the relationship as plutonic just like mine 👍

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Great input and observation! Our relationship was VERY passionate/intense/romantic about feelings and very physical, expressing those feelings through erotic love (sex) and the merging of the souls, deeply bonding, I surrendered completely, I have only been able to do that once, in this relationship.

posted October 03, 2018 01:04 PM            

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Originally posted by LunaIscariot:

Looking at the 1st and 7th in a Davison I feel is a really good start to see the overall tone/themes of the relationship.
Just like in a natal chart, everything else in the chart is filtered and colored through this axis.
1st house is always the basic temperament/personality, and 7th, how we relate to others or in this case with the Davison chart, our partner in the relationship.
You also have Venus in Pisces like we did, did you feel like you had a spiritual connection/love? And were you very forgiving with each other, tended to gloss over each other's faults and focus on the good?

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