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Topic: Can we talk about Pluto in Synastry?
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StoneMoon
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posted November 06, 2018 05:54 PM
  
I am quite a fan of Pluto synastry, but I have noticed I am mostly drawn when their Pluto hits me. I am fairly Plutonian- 8th house Sun, Scorpio Rising... etc. Most of my relationships that started with a bang were their Pluto, my personal planet. Usually Mars, Moon and Sun. When it is my Pluto, the relationship is slow to start. But with my best friend, my closest friend ever, my Pluto opposes her Sun. I have had my Pluto trine their personal planets in romantic interests, but it kind of came on as "take it or leave it". Even with my BFF, we knew each other for a while before we clicked and became inseparable . I am currently in the initial stages of a romantic relationship and my Pluto squares his Sun, trines his Venus... but it's slow and I feel really calm. I like him, I want to see him again, but I am not crazy manic about him like i am when their Pluto hits my chart. I have a feeling it will take off in time, but I find this really interesting. He's waking up my Pluto, but my Pluto feels awfully blasé about this. What are your experiences with Pluto? Is my attitude bcs Pluto in my chart doesn't really hit my personal planets? That my Plutonian vibes come from other influences? I would love to hear your stories and thoughts here on Pluto! IP: Logged |
Orange
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posted November 06, 2018 10:43 PM
How did you feel when your Moon aspected their Pluto?IP: Logged |
StoneMoon
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posted November 07, 2018 05:04 AM
Well when their Pluto hit my moon, it also hit my sun and mars at the same time. I’ve had it multiple times, but three were significant relationships.
The moon Pluto I am unsure of bcs it wasn’t isolated. He definitely transformed me, opened my eyes to what I want and need in a relationship. Unfortunately this was through the lack of love in the relationship. The feelings between us were very deep, but we could never get on the same page. It felt extremely vulnerable and insecure constantly. There was this sense of needing to take everything offered in that moment bcs it may never be offered again.
I would say the other two have also had a hand in me learning what I needed in love. One is my ex husband and the other a close friend. She is the only one who is a stable relationship for me. And her influence is much lighter than theirs was. IP: Logged |
ana_bee
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posted November 07, 2018 07:26 AM
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Originally posted by StoneMoon:
It felt extremely vulnerable and insecure constantly. There was this sense of needing to take everything offered in that moment bcs it may never be offered again.
This rings so true to me! I had/have a similar feeling with someone. My chart is also quite plutonic, Scorpio Asc conj Pluto(from 12th), Moon in 8th house, Scorpio SN, Pluto and Asc trine Sun. My Pluto is well integrated, although subdued. I don’t look or openly act like Scorpio at all, but it’s a huge part of me still. I haven’t noticed the difference between easy or hard aspects to Pluto so far.. the thing is, when I actually fall for someone, I always fall hard anyway, doesn’t matter who’s Pluto it is.  I tend to obsess over people, ideas and things that are dear and fascinating to me. That’s just the way I love. If I don’t feel that initial rush, it’s hard to develope that attachment afterwards. As I get older, it gets better though.. I get more control over that, in the sense that I haven’t fallen for anyone who didn’t initially reciprocate my feelings. So it has to go both ways, to really work. IP: Logged |
Dumuzi
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posted November 07, 2018 07:44 AM
my fiancee has a lot of scorpio and venus conjunct pluto, my pluto conjuncts hers and i have a personal planet in her 8th we've been together 14 years ive been wondering about pluto in synastry because of a friend i recently reconmected with whose chart i looked at for the first time ever yesterday he's a scorpio sun (conjunct uranus) scorpio mercury (trine pisces moon) with venus conjunct pluto in libra his venus is conjunct my ascendant and my ascendant is conjunct my south node and venus and opposite my moon sextile uranus and mercury (part of a kite) and also there's the t-square with my mars, moon, venus his mars is in sag conjunct neptune trine my ascendant north node conjunct my leo mercury his mercury is conjunct my pluto (which is sextile my sun and sextile my neptune, part of a minor trine) his moon is loosely opposite my sun IP: Logged |
StoneMoon
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posted November 07, 2018 07:48 AM
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Originally posted by ana_bee:
This rings so true to me! I had/have a similar feeling with someone. My chart is also quite plutonic, Scorpio Asc conj Pluto(from 12th), Moon in 8th house, Scorpio SN, Pluto and Asc trine Sun. My Pluto is well integrated, although subdued. I don’t look or openly act like Scorpio at all, but it’s a huge part of me still.I haven’t noticed the difference between easy or hard aspects to Pluto so far.. the thing is, when I actually fall for someone, I always fall hard anyway, doesn’t matter who’s Pluto it is. I tend to obsess over people, ideas and things that are dear and fascinating to me. That’s just the way I love. If I don’t feel that initial rush, it’s hard to develope that attachment afterwards. As I get older, it gets better though.. I get more control over that, in the sense that I haven’t fallen for anyone who didn’t initially reciprocate my feelings. So it has to go both ways, to really work.
Wow that is a lot of Pluto in your natal! I am a Scorpio Asc, Sun/Jupiter in 8th, and venus parallel pluto. And that's how I feel too!!! But I am noticing that when it is my only Pluto that is activated, it's slower to respond. It eventually does, but it's not an instantaneous draw like when it is their Pluto. With my BFF, she and I knew each other for a while first. My Pluto opposite her Sun. She reached out to me a lot more than I did to her. And then one day, all the sudden, I was addicted to talking with her. There are always more connections in the chart that explain the emotional connections in the relationship, so it's been challenging for me to sort out what is what. IP: Logged |
StoneMoon
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posted November 07, 2018 07:54 AM
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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
my fiancee has a lot of scorpio and venus conjunct pluto, my pluto conjuncts hers and i have a personal planet in her 8th we've been together 14 years ive been wondering about pluto in synastry because of a friend i recently reconmected with whose chart i looked at for the first time ever yesterday he's a scorpio sun (conjunct uranus) scorpio mercury (trine pisces moon) with venus conjunct pluto in libra his venus is conjunct my ascendant and my ascendant is conjunct my south node and venus and opposite my moon sextile uranus and mercury (part of a kite) and also there's the t-square with my mars, moon, venus his mars is in sag conjunct neptune trine my ascendant north node conjunct my leo mercury his mercury is conjunct my pluto (which is sextile my sun and sextile my neptune, part of a minor trine) his moon is loosely opposite my sun
So how can you describe those two relationships? It sounds like a lot of potential for growth with the friendship? And with those node connections you clearly have shared past lives and have returned to help each other in this one... if you believe that. IP: Logged |
Dumuzi
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posted November 07, 2018 08:14 AM
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Originally posted by StoneMoon:
So how can you describe those two relationships? It sounds like a lot of potential for growth with the friendship? And with those node connections you clearly have shared past lives and have returned to help each other in this one... if you believe that.
my fiancee and i can be sort of volatile, lot of ups and downs but we've known each other about 20 years (im 32 she will be in december) but a lot of deep feelings there and a deep connection with my friend ive known him for 6 years, he'll talk to me about anything then tell me what he thinks he analyzes everything and advice can annoy me sometimes but even when i dont think hes right he says things in a way where im not bothered by them because i understand where hes coming from and hes never entirely off i know he's attracted to me, but he's never really said much about it with the past life stuff, i dont know how i feel about it but i have plenty of memories he feels familiar but i cant place him anyway, and i can say the same for my fiancee and a lot of significant people in my life it's something thats come up repeatedly for me edit: things are more steady with him, ive never gotten really angry at him but weve also had points where ive been distantbecause of my drug use and so on also it's mars/neptune sextile my ascendant my bad IP: Logged |
StoneMoon
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posted November 07, 2018 10:00 AM
Interesting. And I would agree that I also have that same draw of familiarity, like I know them. My ex-husband and I enjoyed a friendship for many years, but when the marriage went south I realized the duplicity and out came the hate side of Pluto. He still to this day is very manipulative, mostly emotionally. With my ex-lover, the hurt is there over the failed relationship and our individual past traumas, but love remains. It's over though, and I won't go back. With my girlfriend, her Pluto conjuncts my Mars too. But she is much more reserved and the influence on me is more maternal. She's a Scorpio Mercury so she helps me to stay in check. I have Neptune square my Venus/Mars midpoint, and a Pisces IC, so I tend to be a little idealistic and in my head. She helps me stay grounded. The intensity is much less in this relationship, but I knew when I met her that I wanted to be friends with her. Where my Pluto opposes my BFF, I liked her but didn't feel compelled to befriend her. Not until a year later. And her Pluto is not doing anything in my chart.
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sassaqua
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posted November 07, 2018 04:00 PM
Pluto came to bite me late in life. I managed to dodge and evade him getting through mostly on my dominant Uranus.However, my awful breakup some years back made me look into Pluto. He's also (still) going over my Ascendant. That relationships we had Moon conjunct Pluto DW. And what Stonemoon and Ana_bee says: "It felt extremely vulnerable and insecure constantly. There was this sense of needing to take everything offered in that moment bcs it may never be offered again." Is articulate and rings remarkably accurate. There was always this weird anxiousness. And, we always ate and ate.. our life revolved around food (obsessive/Pluto food/Moon). Yet, also, we(/I) never felt very comfortable or relaxed with eating around him. That's a manifestation that I've read elsewhere too.
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StoneMoon
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posted November 07, 2018 04:36 PM
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Originally posted by sassaqua:
Pluto came to bite me late in life. I managed to dodge and evade him getting through mostly on my dominant Uranus.However, my awful breakup some years back made me look into Pluto. He's also (still) going over my Ascendant. That relationships we had Moon conjunct Pluto DW. And what Stonemoon and Ana_bee says: "It felt extremely vulnerable and insecure constantly. There was this sense of needing to take everything offered in that moment bcs it may never be offered again." Is articulate and rings remarkably accurate. There was always this weird anxiousness. And, we always ate and ate.. our life revolved around food (obsessive/Pluto food/Moon). Yet, also, we(/I) never felt very comfortable or relaxed with eating around him. That's a manifestation that I've read elsewhere too.
What signs were your moons and plutos and what houses? I have ne er read that about food and moon/pluto, but I didn't eat much when I was around my big love Pluto. With my ex, our whole relationship revolved around food! And my girlfriend with moon pluto, we get together over wine and snacks always! IP: Logged |
sassaqua
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posted November 07, 2018 06:25 PM
Hard to tell if it was the Moon or Pluto that was food obsessed, because DW.But his was Virgo Moon. Me, Libra Moon. It was this deep sense of needing nurturing, but that was a bottomless pit that couldn't be filled or satiated. Which is what you'd expect with the Pluto and may be ok with Venus and Mars, but the Moon really does need to be satiated to feel safe. There was just so much intensity and anxiety, and fear, it eventually eroded trust. Which was prob/maybe because he was just a c**t (his Moon was conjunct Pluto natally). Hard to tell these things sometimes. So, we ended up communicating through food (Moon). Because of the build up of fear and uncertainty over time I guess to access the nurturing we took the next best thing, and something that was tangible (food). Is was such a primal fear, and one that didn't really reach the language faculties to talk about either (Moon). Both in 10H because same ascendant too.
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Randall
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posted November 13, 2018 03:43 AM
I’ve found any significant sexual relationship I have had with a man, one that will never be forgotten has had some moon/Pluto tight aspect.
Firstly, I had experienced moon square Pluto with 2 of my serious boyfriends. At first there was this feeling of fatedness and a mysterious sexual pull to eachother, but after the initial lust had grown into mature feelings this aspect became too heavy and manipulation & power struggles became very present in the connections. I do feel it created much sexual tension and deep profound soul bonding, just turned into something quite dark and difficult to sustain at the level of intensity, this aspect was within 2 degrees with these partners. They will always have a piece of my heart even though the breakups were epic and unable to cut ties once the relationship had become toxic. I am not very plutonian myself but these guys had a lot of Scorpio /8th house going on... I am now experiencing moon trine Pluto double whammy in tight aspect with my new lover, all I can say is I can definitely feel the Pluto/moon energy going on. And hope this being a soft aspect will be transforming and less power struggles and possesiveness. Sure makes for some sexual/emotional bonding.
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sassaqua
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posted November 14, 2018 02:18 AM
Yeah.. I will stay away from Pluto square my Venus or Moon. I wouldn't trust another person though to be as responsible with the Pluto energy as me (unless they were into astrology).I may be interested in the other way round (me the Pluto) at a distance and with caution. But I don't like what Pluto does to the Moon or Venus in square and I'd be wary of putting someone under that for very long. So, what I mean is that, I'd try to be very sure not to overwhelm their planets. IF that's at all possible once you're actually all-in with someone. Pluto square Sun, for example, is a bit more of an equal power footing.
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posted November 14, 2018 09:35 AM
Pluto moon is very intense, and even with the soft aspects you need to be ready. I had it DW with my big love, sextile and trine. He wanted to keep our relationship casual but it became obvious his feelings were nowhere near casual. And that eventually was the end of the relationship, bcs he wasn't ready for it. It is still intense when it is one way, but this was the deepest I had felt.I am actually looking forward to the Sun Pluto square I am currently experiencing. It's my Pluto, and his Sun is a strong one. I had had my Pluto trine Venus twice, and it's not that strong for me. This is the second time, so I am curious to see if it grows more over time. I suspect it does. I had had someone's Pluto conjunct my Venus several times but it doesn't wow me. My Venus is conjunct my MC though so I think this combined with the age difference is just too much for it be romantic for me. IP: Logged |
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posted November 19, 2018 05:07 PM
Pluto conjunct Venus doesn't wow you? I find that hard to believe. There must've been other aspects not pulling you into the relationship to activate the momentum you think?Yes, the intensity momentum builds over time (like nuclear explosions). Keep us updated on your Sun Pluto square that you are currently experiencing! IP: Logged |
StoneMoon
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posted November 19, 2018 07:27 PM
No, I am dead honest. Pluto conjunct my Venus didn't get me. I have a client who has his Pluto exact conjunct my Venus and I have known him for four and half years. Nothing. He's even in my 8th house which is a huge trigger for me. He is also not interested in me. It is purely platonic.
Maybe with the right person, Pluto Venus would get me. But it's a 14yr age difference too. However, I love Pluto conjunct Mars, bcs it will also aspect my Moon in a trine. And lord help me if it's a double whammy!
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posted November 20, 2018 01:16 PM
Lord help you  Yeah, well.. talking about myself for sure but probably many many others.. No matter the aspect, if someone is super ugly, super dirty, povo or any number of other social challenges, there will be resistance no matter how attractive the aspect is. Am I wrong? Works the other way too. Maybe that attraction has more to do with the BMW he's driving or the BDE
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posted November 20, 2018 06:23 PM
hahaha sass!that's true, if it's not there, it's not there...
but then do you think about all the couples out there with obvious disparities in physical attractiveness??? I have had Pluto on my Venus a few times and no go. I don't get it! But when you step back and think about all the people who hit your chart in ways you traditionally like... I come back to fate and what is meant to be. I suppose I see it less as someone being important bcs they have the right aspects to hit your chart but more that the important someone will have the aspects to correctly hit your chart. If that makes sense.... IP: Logged |
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Hikaru29
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posted November 26, 2018 01:24 PM
This is the first time I'm experiencing Pluto in conjunction to a personal planet, which in this instance is the Moon. The relationship cannot be light-hearted and casual even though we tried to be. Feelings are pulled out unconsciously and can run high. It makes you feel like running away at times but you will run back to each other because the draw is so strong. It is scary yet seductive at the same time.At the same time, we also have Pluto-Venus/Mars aspects but this is the only conjunction which I believe is thus the most strongly felt. In Composite we have Pluto square Sun/Mercury/Venus and I'm waiting to see how that will play out, whether this will be more potent than Moon conjunct Pluto.
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posted March 29, 2022 03:43 PM
i'm not really sure on pluto synastry. i'm pluto dominant so i think no matter what, my relationships are gonna have plutonic themes because first and foremost - they come from me. i felt pluto square sun at 2 degrees.
ego problems.
obsession.
me trying to dig in deep as the pluto person. him being scared as the sun person and a man, tsk. venus/pluto has beauty to it. there's stalking involved. i was venus and a man was pluto.
in the case of it being exact, pluto saw me as superficial, vain, someone with many admirers and he even ignored me most of the time. then slowly after time, he became focused. a year later, he appeared near my new job, probably just to see me because his friends told him where i was. it's an obsession, but it develops slowly in pluto person.
also, when you meet after a long time - there's a possibility of nothing changing, you just continue where you left off, especially if you have saturn aspects. IP: Logged |
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posted March 29, 2022 11:35 PM
I've been struggling for a year now with a guy whose (Scorpio) moon conjuncts my Pluto and his Pluto opposes my sun. The obsession is mutual and deep and terrifying.My former husband's Pluto opposed my Mars. It was hot at first but things cooled off after a year, especially once we moved in together. Otherwise our synastry wasn't great. It was also his Pluto in Virgo (overlay on my 4th) and my Mars in Pisces (overlay on his 4th), so I wonder if them being in each other's 4th houses and sharing a home had anything to do with it. You would have thought that's when it would heat up! IP: Logged |
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