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LunaIscariot
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posted November 06, 2018 11:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LunaIscariot     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Does anyone here study first meeting charts?

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posted November 07, 2018 07:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StoneMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I’ve been trying to! I draw mine up and try to see the influence on each party. There are some great older threads that really discussed them in detail.

I don’t know what I could offer but I would love to participate in a study and practice of sorts!

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posted November 07, 2018 09:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LunaIscariot     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Awesome stonemoon!

Here the FMC of my ex and I

What stands out to me is the venus/mars conjunction, in the 5th and conjunct Jupiter as well lol. I think I read before that it means you’ll be intimate with the person (venus/mars conjunction) And that was true! 😂 I lost my virginity to him. Not this night but a couple months later. lt was intense attraction from the beginning, we dated for almost 3 years. We always had crazy chemistry.


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posted November 08, 2018 04:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StoneMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting! The FMC asc was gemini, which is mutable and not generally a good sign for lasting power. However, and I love those crazy tight angles, the MC/IC is in Aqua and Leo- fixed signs. So did this portray as maybe some identity issues at the outset but then a deep connection to the heart of the relationship as well?


And the DSC ruler is Jupiter, which is in the 5th and conjunct Venus Mars.... so that was positive.

What I have read is that you want to see benefic planets in the angular houses, and malefic planets in the succedent.... I think succedent. At least not in the angular! And neptune is the only one in the 10th house....

FMC only last three months, then they are taken over by the next phase. So when you consummated the relationship, that chart presides.

Can you post your natals so we can compare them to the FMC?

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posted November 08, 2018 04:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StoneMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
this is my current FMC, and the natals that go with it:

FMC:

his natal: TOB is best guess only

my natal:


I'll come back later and give my thoughts but it's a new relationship. We haven't hit the three month point yet.

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posted November 08, 2018 07:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LunaIscariot     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here’s my natal

Here’s his (both TOB accurate 👍

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posted November 08, 2018 09:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StoneMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Love the intensity of that Pluto opp moon in your fav! Notice the sun is on your friends nn!

And the sun moon trine with Pluto involved is nice, cohesive and intense

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posted November 08, 2018 03:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StoneMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
well the synastry between you was good too- he fit your needs and you fit his. FMC pluto on your Mercury- do you feel that first date was a good sense of communication and exchange?

and neptune involved in a grand trine with sun and moon., romantic! that venus mars conjunction right on your moon, tis was a big spark for you?

you both have such interesting charts. The FMC chiron squaring his natal venus, which sits right on his sun/moon midpoint... this was an important time for the two of you for sure

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posted November 08, 2018 04:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LunaIscariot     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, it was pretty much an instant connection! We both had crushes on each other after that night, and I went to a psychic and she predicted our meeting and relationship 2 months prior as well👍 It was definitely fated. I wasn’t even going to go to that party! Was a last minutes decision. Everything just aligned lol it was meant to be.
I know we’re soulmates/past life connection of some kind as well, there was this intense comfort/familiarity immediately which was unusual for both of us. I remember the first time we kissed feeling like we’d done it before as well.
I think it’s obvious with all the angular contacts;
My IC ruler moon conjunct his IC.
DW node to angle conjunctions.
Angle axis conjunct.
My karma is also conjunct his NN.
My venus EXACTLY conjunct his DSC. It’s also my chart ruler.

Our relationship was very intense and turned toxic though after awhile. I think it’s our composite. We’re still in each other’s lives though. Been through hell and back but there’s always this pull back to each other lol.

I really like your synasty with your guy too!
I’ll be back later with my thoughts as well 😊

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posted November 08, 2018 07:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StoneMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Care to post the composite?

You’re very Capricorn, aren’t you? Even your Uranian side is sextile to Saturn, and your mars. A little Aries vibe. But that same mars is opposite Saturn, so here comes Capricorn again! And what else I find very interesting- your Saturn in Aries opposes by mars (ruled by Aries) . It’s this lovely little interplay throughout your chart. I feel like universe is smiling at you, really emphasizing what it is you are here to do in this life! And then your moon on your north node, trine your venus offers you that softness and grace you need to take the edge off of all that Cap. Really beautiful chart!

And he appreciated your Capricorn nature, but he also echoed this for you with his dsc. love that moon Neptune trine too- follows the romance from the FMC. Your Saturn sextile his sun too as well as your mars in trine... it was a good deal for both of you. He helped steady you, you invigorated and stabilized him too.


You are young, so I imagine that could be the nature of this relationship not being more long term. It was a powerful learning relationship. It helped both of you grow.

And this all was stimulated by that fmc. I love the way the universe works. We think we have complete free will, but sometimes you can’t ignore those divine interventions.

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posted November 08, 2018 07:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StoneMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh boy, just saw that dw moon Chiron conjunction... that must have been hard to handle at your young ages? With the passion within this relationship I imagine there was volatility and it could be hard to handle this with the care that would have required?

So you had moon Chiron in composite too. Ouch.

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posted November 08, 2018 09:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LunaIscariot     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yup. I’m very Saturnian! Haha my big 10th house stellium and my chart ruler being in Capricorn and in the 10th house as well.
Although, my Saturn is in detriment and intercepted in the 12th. So I don’t feel nearly as ambitious, career-focused, disciplined or any of those more positive qualities.
I’m just very heavy feeling and serious/morose/cynical/pessimistic most of the times. I can get very depressive easily.
Luckily I have moon in Virgo so I can sort of analyze myself out of it

I’ll post the composite yes

I think it’s the mars opposite Saturn both square our ASC/DSC axis in the composite. Also the Uranus conjunctions and stellium in aqua. Our connection was always so off and on and unstable, we would have stupid fights and break up and get back together again etc.
Was a very painful relationship as well yes.... for both of us. Was hard. It was my first too, and boy did my Scorpio/Pluto DSC rear its ugly head. I had no idea how intense and obsessive I could get lol! And jealous as well. Just a nutcase. Transit Pluto on my venus probably didn’t help either tbh. I’ll be happy when it’s gone! 👍
But I learned sooo much.
What’s interesting too, is that transit Saturn was in my 7th house conjunct my DSC ruler, and transit Pluto conjunct my venus.
And for him, transit Saturn was conjunct his Venus (his 5th ruler) and transit Pluto conjunct his DSC.
So it was karmic, there was a lot of challenges and obstacles, it was difficult but taught us a lot of lessons and growth and transformed us both (Saturn/Pluto).

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posted November 08, 2018 09:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LunaIscariot     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I like our Venus/Jupiter conjunction in the 7th. Jupiter was also our 7th house ruler, so having it in the 7th conjunct Venus I feel was a blessing. That’s why we were so tolerant and forgiving of each other despite all the crap and fights lol.

I noticed the DW moon-mars conjunctions both ways for me from natal to composite and composite to natal.
I wonder what that meant for me. I was quite passionate and impulsive in the relationship, so that would make sense.
His Venus is conjunct the DSC 0 degrees.
And the aqua/cap stellium falls into his 7th/8th house.

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posted November 09, 2018 09:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StoneMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Starting with your chart- the Saturn will kick in soon enough. I am a Cap moon, 10th house full person, and Saturn square ASC and this was so true for me.

The first 35yrs of my life were all fight and challenge and coldness, including me and my perspective and personality. When I left my marriage, it was due to me breaking through this and realizing who I really was. All that Saturn dependability and ambition I had denied my whole life came crashing through. It helped to have all my Plutonian aspects too, I tend to transform like that through major changes and events. But the point is, Saturn people can be late bloomers. But the rewards are so amazing. So just have faith, your time is coming.

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posted November 09, 2018 10:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StoneMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
in the composite,

moon's biggest aspect is chiron conjunction. So this would have become a focal point, especially as it mirrors both of the natal charts. You both would have had to face emotional insecurities and wounds. Salt in the wound for sure. This was widely conjunct the NN so it just reinforces it again!

Mars opposite Saturn would have been tough for sure. Just limits and boundaries left and right. I have not had that in composite, so I can only imagine what you felt. This squares the AC/DC axis, and I have been wondering lately if that makes for a "rub you the wrong way" feeling. Like someone who isn't aware of their actions on others, who doesn't see the wake they leave behind. So in a relationship it could be this feeling of frustration and struggle because you are trying to be one thing (the ASC) and wondering why you are moving in a totally different direction (Mars square) and not being able to make the connection that it is something within...

Its interesting to me to see the echoes of the FMC in the natals and composite. 5th house venus mars in FMC echoes your composite moon/chiron/node in the 5th, echoes his 5th house moon node.

Check out the size of the 12th/6th houses in the FMC- complete echo of your huge 12th/6th houses in your natal. Only reversed! The FMC places planets in the 6th, Sun Mercury and Saturn, while you have Saturn in your 12th. Its like this is telling you point blank, this is what we are working on! I always feel like when certain houses are huge in the chart it's an important area of focus.

Furthermore, your natal chart has Aries and Libra intercepted, but the FMC has Taurus Scorpio intercepted. With interceptions you gain access to these houses by the preceding house/sign. So you personally would do well to have a Pisces let you in to your Aries self, but the FMC is showing you Aries can let you in to the Taurus side of things. Composite is the same as FMC- 12th and 6th houses are huge, and Taurus and Scorpio are intercepted.

I wonder if you couldn't move past the chiron moon wounds and mars saturn bcs you haven't accessed your Mars/Aries self, and in order to unlock the Taurus in the composite and FMC you need that first. And the charts were fighting you as Mars was directly opposed by Saturn. You being very Saturnian, I kind of feel like this was a massive growth opportunity for you. This was completely karmic and needed for you for sure.

If you look at him, just like the FMC and composite, his Taurus Scorpio signs are intercepted. Just different houses. This was a big relationship for both of you, but so big for you.

Really fascinating and my brain is on overload trying to make sense of the connections. I know they are there, but I hope I am a little more cohesive in my text here than I am in my brain at the moment!

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posted November 09, 2018 02:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LunaIscariot     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow! I loved reading that. Super insightful, thank you ❤️
That’s really interesting, I would have never thought to make all those connections between all the charts lol! But that’s really cool how it all comes together 👍

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