posted November 25, 2018 01:20 AM            

Does that mean there's not enough "glue" to this relationship?

posted November 25, 2018 02:59 AM            

You have to see what works for you, it always has to do with the native's natal chart. My natal Saturn is aspectless and I have Uranus opposite Sun and ASC natally.

Wherever I have Saturn hard aspects in a synastry with someone I have so many obstacles and difficulties to be with him it's insane and in the end we are just not together because of external events blocking it, even though we both want it.

I feel like interpretations I've seen online try to make hard synastry Saturn aspects sound more glue-ish in order to maybe not freak out people. I have seen very few sites mentioning that Saturn also acts like a block intead of a glue.

Saturn-Mars and Saturn-Moon hard synastry aspects particularly are the worst ones in my opinion and are enough by themselves to destroy the relationship (unless the person has it already natally and has no problem with that energy) over time since Saturn reveals his energy slowly and steadily (planet of time & delays), it's not aparent from the very start.

Even if it happens to be the glue case for you it doesn't mean that it's positive. Many times people stay together for wrong reasons more than they should.. That's a Saturn glue case too for example.

Don't worry about the lack of Saturn aspects of you have other good synastry aspects indicating you are a good match and there is emotional/mental/sexual connection.

posted November 25, 2018 06:03 AM            

I started this thread because everyone's saying you need Saturn to "glue" the relationship because Saturn symbolises responsibilities...then again, you can also say that some people stick together not because of responsibilities, but simply because they love being with each other. In this case, Saturn is not needed?

I know of a couple who has Saturn hard aspects to Sun/Mercury/Mars in Synastry and in Composite they have Saturn square Moon, quincunx Sun/Venus. I don't know how but they managed to stick together for more than 15yrs, weathering through 2 affairs. Will they continue to last? I'm not sure but they care about each other for sure. I can't help but feel that it's their Saturn aspects that's keeping them together. In natal, one has Saturn square Venus, sextile Sun/Mercury. Another one has Saturn trine Sun/Moon/Mercury/Asc.

posted November 25, 2018 01:41 PM            

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Originally posted by Starry~*:
It's True that it really depends on the individuals involved and what works between them.

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posted November 25, 2018 01:59 PM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
So, Starry, in your instance, what aspects were missing that didn't make this r/s stick?

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Honestly, in synastry it would be nice if my moon/mars didn't receive so many squares from his neptune and venus. Mars square I'm able to handle but given the fact that my natal chart has hard aspects to my moon it would've been much better if he had complimenting aspects to my moon rather than harsh.

His venus also received squares from my moon and mars. They say that's not as bad but in this case it didn't help the relationship as he ultimately felt that he loved me more and that I just couldn't commit to him. As on my end, sometimes I felt that he didn't get me emotionally when I try to open up to him since to him it wasn't really a big deal (and I was over reacting) but to me it felt like it was.

posted November 26, 2018 12:25 AM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
So are you saying that people with Saturn aspects natally will be able to handle the hard aspects better?

I started this thread because everyone's saying you need Saturn to "glue" the relationship because Saturn symbolises responsibilities...then again, you can also say that some people stick together not because of responsibilities, but simply because they love being with each other. In this case, Saturn is not needed?

I know of a couple who has Saturn hard aspects to Sun/Mercury/Mars in Synastry and in Composite they have Saturn square Moon, quincunx Sun/Venus. I don't know how but they managed to stick together for more than 15yrs, weathering through 2 affairs. Will they continue to last? I'm not sure but they care about each other for sure. I can't help but feel that it's their Saturn aspects that's keeping them together. In natal, one has Saturn square Venus, sextile Sun/Mercury. Another one has Saturn trine Sun/Moon/Mercury/Asc.

Why do you say you need Sun-Venus hard aspects? Because you have this natally?

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Yes people with natal Saturn aspects can definately handle it easier.

I don't think you need Saturn in a synastry in order for the relationship to last.
I am an example of that myself.

As you said Saturn can make people stay with each other for wrong reasons and drags the relationship more than it should.
Also Saturn may do the exact opposite acting as someone who puts many obstacles to one or both of the people whonwant to be in a relationship with each other in order to prevent the relationships from happening.

Honestly Saturn is overrated. I haven't seen once in synastry/transit/you name it bringing something good.
The couple you are mentioned might be of the previous generation. I don't know their age but they might grown up as the older ones meaning previous generations that divorce almost wasn't an option so people would stay even in a horrible marriage suffering mentally/emotionally/physically.
I bet you'll see many older couples both with Saturn synastry aspects and without ones that their relationships/marriage lasted.
Also tons of relationships with Saturn synastry aspects do not last at all.

I think transits and progression to each person's natal chart and maybe their composite is more accurate than Saturn to look at for the duration of the relationship.
Saturn aspects can indicate to many different things.

I have Pluto square Venus and Mars so I want hard aspects to my Venus and Mars and for some reason I always attract people whose Sun is square/opposite to those two.
However with my Moon that is almost aspectless (trine Sun) in Pisces I can't stand hard aspects in there actually I like very few Moon signs.
So when someone has soft aspects to one planet natally he probably won't like hard synastry aspects to that planet and vise versa unless it's a more complicated case which involves other planet aspects at the same time.

posted November 26, 2018 01:36 AM            

Depending on the age and the other aspects, one or two aspects can be plenty.

I believe that it is the glue for sure. I believe that the planet person wants to sense that Saturn is there, committed to giving form to the planet expression. And the Saturn person wants to get to the task of "helping" the planet shape it's expression, and directing it over the long term.

But, again, it depends on the age and maturity of the people because this is all instinctive relating (not a criticism). As we get older we've learned and experienced how it was in the younger days. We are more tired, busy, and more inclined to relinquish some of the previous "necessities" of a relationship, having had our kids and already built a life.

posted November 26, 2018 02:04 AM            

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Originally posted by Plut0nian2:
No, my longest relationships (friendships mainly since all my relationships have been platonic ones) have no Saturn aspects at all but they have Uranus aspects which are supposed to make the relationships short lasting.

You have to see what works for you, it always has to do with the native's natal chart. My natal Saturn is aspectless and I have Uranus opposite Sun and ASC natally.

Wherever I have Saturn hard aspects in a synastry with someone I have so many obstacles and difficulties to be with him it's insane and in the end we are just not together because of external events blocking it, even though we both want it.

I feel like interpretations I've seen online try to make hard synastry Saturn aspects sound more glue-ish in order to maybe not freak out people. I have seen very few sites mentioning that Saturn also acts like a block intead of a glue.

Saturn-Mars and Saturn-Moon hard synastry aspects particularly are the worst ones in my opinion and are enough by themselves to destroy the relationship (unless the person has it already natally and has no problem with that energy) over time since Saturn reveals his energy slowly and steadily (planet of time & delays), it's not aparent from the very start.

Even if it happens to be the glue case for you it doesn't mean that it's positive. Many times people stay together for wrong reasons more than they should.. That's a Saturn glue case too for example.

Don't worry about the lack of Saturn aspects of you have other good synastry aspects indicating you are a good match and there is emotional/mental/sexual connection.

However as I said you have to check what works for you.. I know I need hard Sun-Venus aspects which are not the best ones synastry wise but in my case it works.

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posted November 26, 2018 03:01 AM            

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Originally posted by sassaqua:
Hikaru29 -

Depending on the age and the other aspects, one or two aspects can be plenty.

I believe that it is the glue for sure. I believe that the planet person wants to sense that Saturn is there, committed to giving form to the planet expression. And the Saturn person wants to get to the task of "helping" the planet shape it's expression, and directing it over the long term.

But, again, it depends on the age and maturity of the people because this is all instinctive relating (not a criticism). As we get older we've learned and experienced how it was in the younger days. We are more tired, busy, and more inclined to relinquish some of the previous "necessities" of a relationship, having had our kids and already built a life.

Moon square Saturn - and DW(!!), is hard going. Hopefully there are nicer aspects there that will give both of the planets a break and provide other channels of relating? There's always going to be something in synastry.

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The DW is Moon square Saturn + Moon trine Saturn. We also have Moon trine Venus DW, Moon conjunct Pluto, Moon conjunct/sextile Neptune DW and Moon opp Jupiter. Our Moons are also sextile by sign. Perhaps these other nice aspects helped so I don't really feel the "emotional coldness" of Moon-Saturn. On Illume Astrology, it says: "If there are other aspects to the moon by the more romantic planets ie. Neptune, Venus, or Jupiter this will soften the Saturn effect and in some cases negate it entirely.".

The other Moon square Saturn I mentioned is in my friend's Composite Chart with her husband - the couple that stuck together despite 2 affairs. In Synastry they have Moon trine Saturn. Worth noting also they have Sun conjunct/trine Moon DW and Moon conjunct Moon in synastry, and in Composite they have Sun-Mercury-Venus love stellium.

posted November 26, 2018 03:19 AM            

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Originally posted by Plut0nian2:
Honestly Saturn is overrated. I haven't seen once in synastry/transit/you name it bringing something good.
The couple you are mentioned might be of the previous generation. I don't know their age but they might grown up as the older ones meaning previous generations that divorce almost wasn't an option so people would stay even in a horrible marriage suffering mentally/emotionally/physically.
I bet you'll see many older couples both with Saturn synastry aspects and without ones that their relationships/marriage lasted.

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posted January 03, 2019 03:10 AM            

Case Study 1:
I've a long-distance friend... we don't really have any Saturn in Composite other than a quincunx to Jupiter and semi-square to Moon, but our friendship endured for more than a decade - ONLINE. We didn't even meet until after knowing each other online for 10+yrs. Unbelievable, considering we barely have any Saturn contacts in Composite. However, in Davison we have Saturn square Venus, conjunct NN. That's another thing I'm stumped. COMPOSITE or DAVISON?

However, in SYNASTRY we do have Saturn opposite Sun, sextile Mercury/Venus. So does it also mean that you don't necessarily need Saturn in Composite as long as you have it in Synastry?

Case Study 2:
Another friend whom I've known for more than a decade.. We have lotsa Saturn contacts to Sun/Moon/Venus/Mercury/Mars/SN/Jupiter/Uranus in Composite/Davison/Synastry. We've never really stayed in touch all these years... hardly met unless mutual friends organise a gathering. 2 yrs ago our friendship officially broke down due to a minor incident. We haven't spoken since and I also have no wish to speak/see him again.

I've never felt a glue to this friend... he has always been someone I can do with or without, despite so many Saturn contacts between us.

Note: one aspect we have in both Composite & Davison - SATURN SQUARE PLUTO. Perhaps that explains why our friendship broke down so easily.

Case Study 3:
My fling many many years ago.. I recently checked our charts and was surprised to see Saturn trine Moon/Mercury/Mars in Davison, but in Composite there's only a semi-square to Mars. Again, Davison or Composite?? We also have a couple of Saturn contacts in Synastry. But again I see Saturn square Pluto in both Composite & Davison.

It was only a fling so obviously we didn't stick at all, despite all the Saturn contacts.

So really.... do we need Saturn for a relationship to last? If yes, do we need to see it in BOTH synastry and composite? If you have Saturn contacts in synastry but none in composite what does it mean? Both will feel gluey but this glue will not play out in reality?

Have you experienced/seen lasting relationships w/o Saturn (pls indicate whether this is in synastry or composite, or both) or relationships with Saturn that didn't last?