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Hikaru29
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posted December 10, 2018 11:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is the first time I'm experiencing Saturn square Nodes in synastry and we also have this in Composite. I read that this is a karmic tie that binds 2 people and they will separate and come back together many times? I'm not fully convinced but I'm indeed feeling that it is difficult for us to be together yet equally difficult to completely walk away from each other, yet I don't know what karmic lessons we're supposed to learn?

Has anyone experienced this before and is it painful? Did your relationship last?

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posted December 10, 2018 04:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for manymoones     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In the composite chart, my husband and I have NN conjunct Saturn exact at 28d Cap, and Sun at 29d Cap (12th house).

We definitely feel karmically bound to each other. We feel we have been together in a past life, perhaps more than once.

One thing he once said to me was that he feels like he has lived his current life before, like he was getting a "do-over", but last time he didn't have me. And I found that oddly sweet in the weirdest etheric realm sort of way

We have been together 9 years, we were long distance for 3 years in the beginning of our relationship. We challenge each other and through these challenges we learn how to be better people and how to be better partners. The joys far outweigh the challenges and we continue to grow and support each other. We don't grow by being comfortable It's just not human nature lol!

I would just go with the flow as much as possible; if it's meant to be it will be

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posted December 10, 2018 08:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by manymoones:
In the composite chart, my husband and I have NN conjunct Saturn exact at 28d Cap, and Sun at 29d Cap (12th house).

We definitely feel karmically bound to each other. We feel we have been together in a past life, perhaps more than once.

One thing he once said to me was that he feels like he has lived his current life before, like he was getting a "do-over", but last time he didn't have me. And I found that oddly sweet in the weirdest etheric realm sort of way

We have been together 9 years, we were long distance for 3 years in the beginning of our relationship. We challenge each other and through these challenges we learn how to be better people and how to be better partners. The joys far outweigh the challenges and we continue to grow and support each other. We don't grow by being comfortable It's just not human nature lol!

I would just go with the flow as much as possible; if it's meant to be it will be


That's nice.. does it take a long time to realise this? I wonder if the square is the same but I kinda feel fated for us to be intertwined this way (for good or bad) and it feels bittersweet. I'm just afraid it will eventually play out in a painful way esp we also have this aspect in composite.

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posted December 11, 2018 05:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ana_bee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi, I posted something just yesterday about squares to the Nodes might be interesting for you too http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/008552.html

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posted December 11, 2018 06:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ana_bee:
Hi, I posted something just yesterday about squares to the Nodes might be interesting for you too http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/008552.html

I just saw and I'm looking at both synastry and composite, particularly at Saturn square Nodes becos I read not so good interpretations about it.

In Composite we have Saturn in 2nd house squaring NN in 5th. I also have Saturn in 2nd house natally squaring his NN in 3rd house in synastry.

How do I interpret them and why is this a so-called karmic tie that makes 2 people keep breaking up and coming back?

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posted December 11, 2018 08:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ana_bee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
I just saw and I'm looking at both synastry and composite, particularly at Saturn square Nodes becos I read not so good interpretations about it.

In Composite we have Saturn in 2nd house squaring NN in 5th. I also have Saturn in 2nd house natally squaring his NN in 3rd house in synastry.

How do I interpret them and why is this a so-called karmic tie that makes 2 people keep breaking up and coming back?


Well contacts to the Nodes are always karmic in a way.. just as Saturn aspects. So this would make it double-karmic? Idk

In composite: Saturn in 2nd house.. restrictions or strongly held positions concerning money and values will have a challenging effect on your potential to let loose and have fun. Does this sound familiar?

If you would want children for example, the money issue would challenge that.. or you wouldn’t be able to find the right time for it. He’s not ready when you are or the other way around. Maybe one of you doesn’t want them, while the other does.

You could also argue about how to spend leisure time together. Maybe one is into heavy partying, while the other isn’t. In matters of sex, differences in values might interfere with the pleasure. One is more open, while the other more conservative.

Whatever the challenge, it will act as a major blockage, until it gets resolved.

These are possible interpretations.

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posted December 11, 2018 10:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ana_bee:
Well contacts to the Nodes are always karmic in a way.. just as Saturn aspects. So this would make it double-karmic? Idk

In composite: Saturn in 2nd house.. restrictions or strongly held positions concerning money and values will have a challenging effect on your potential to let loose and have fun. Does this sound familiar?

If you would want children for example, the money issue would challenge that.. or you wouldn’t be able to find the right time for it. He’s not ready when you are or the other way around. Maybe one of you doesn’t want them, while the other does.

You could also argue about how to spend leisure time together. Maybe one is into heavy partying, while the other isn’t. In matters of sex, differences in values might interfere with the pleasure. One is more open, while the other more conservative.

Whatever the challenge, it will act as a major blockage, until it gets resolved.

These are possible interpretations.


Ah... now I can resonate with some of these things, esp about his social circle and some sexual values which threatens my sense of security with him. Not sure if we're able to work them out.

Thanks, Ana!

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posted December 11, 2018 12:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ana_bee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
Ah... now I can resonate with some of these things, esp about his social circle and some sexual values which threatens my sense of security with him. Not sure if we're able to work them out.

Thanks, Ana!


You’re welcome! Wish you the best

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posted December 11, 2018 05:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dumuzi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
my friend with benefits puts saturn on my descendant, north node and moon etc, and honestly i don't really feel a connection to him

i know he does to me, but it's one sided and i dont feel anything karmic at all

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posted December 12, 2018 10:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
my friend with benefits puts saturn on my descendant, north node and moon etc, and honestly i don't really feel a connection to him

i know he does to me, but it's one sided and i dont feel anything karmic at all


Perhaps this will better manifest in a close/romantic relationship.

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posted December 12, 2018 01:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for manymoones     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
That's nice.. does it take a long time to realise this? I wonder if the square is the same but I kinda feel fated for us to be intertwined this way (for good or bad) and it feels bittersweet. I'm just afraid it will eventually play out in a painful way esp we also have this aspect in composite.

The beginning was definitely a challenge. We had our own separate lives and groups of friends and I experienced a lot of loneliness and uncertainty.

We had a really long engagement, too (about 3 years). We didn't want to jump into anything and later regret it or feel like we made the wrong decision. So although it seemed like we were karmically fated to be together, we were super cautious about it. We figured what's the rush?

I think every single person we come across in life is not by accident or coincidence, I just don't believe in coincidence. So even if things don't end up working out it doesn't mean there aren't lessons and experiences to be gained. Sometimes relationships show us how to better love ourselves and help us to understand what our values are.

Perhaps it will play out in a painful way. Or perhaps it ends up being the greatest relationship of your life. I guess we don't know until we experience it I wish you all the best!

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posted December 13, 2018 01:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by manymoones:
The beginning was definitely a challenge. We had our own separate lives and groups of friends and I experienced a lot of loneliness and uncertainty.

We had a really long engagement, too (about 3 years). We didn't want to jump into anything and later regret it or feel like we made the wrong decision. So although it seemed like we were karmically fated to be together, we were super cautious about it. We figured what's the rush?

I think every single person we come across in life is not by accident or coincidence, I just don't believe in coincidence. So even if things don't end up working out it doesn't mean there aren't lessons and experiences to be gained. Sometimes relationships show us how to better love ourselves and help us to understand what our values are.

Perhaps it will play out in a painful way. Or perhaps it ends up being the greatest relationship of your life. I guess we don't know until we experience it I wish you all the best!


Thanks, manymoones!

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posted December 13, 2018 07:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gracha     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
I just saw and I'm looking at both synastry and composite, particularly at Saturn square Nodes becos I read not so good interpretations about it.

In Composite we have Saturn in 2nd house squaring NN in 5th. I also have Saturn in 2nd house natally squaring his NN in 3rd house in synastry.

How do I interpret them and why is this a so-called karmic tie that makes 2 people keep breaking up and coming back?


If his and your birth times are definitely correct, NN in 5th composite almost always indicate having a child together, like it's destined.

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posted December 14, 2018 12:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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If his and your birth times are definitely correct, NN in 5th composite almost always indicate having a child together, like it's destined.

I've read about NN in 5th and was taken aback by this interpretation of a child because he has constantly mentioned it. I'm also surprisingly attracted by the idea, but I'm pretty traditional when it comes to relationships & family and having a child together is near impossible right now. Maybe that's one of the karmic lessons we have to go through? I don't know... but I know if we ever have a child together, this baby will be the most precious thing to me because of the circumstances and trials we would have to go through.

My ToB is accurate. I have his approximate ToB + a strong inkling he's a Cancer rising so his should be very close. If it isn't the 5th, then our NN will be in 4th (but 5th is more likely). What does NN in 4th mean anyway? Seems something to do with setting up a home/foundation together?

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posted December 14, 2018 12:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ana_bee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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If his and your birth times are definitely correct, NN in 5th composite almost always indicate having a child together, like it's destined.

Sorry, but this is not true! The 5th house means so many other things.. it could just as well mean, you’re here to form a creative partnership.. working together in art or entertainment.. but most likely it means that this is a hot romance or a fling rather than a relationship. This is more likely, depending on other synastry aspects.

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posted December 14, 2018 01:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dumuzi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
Perhaps this will better manifest in a close/romantic relationship.

maybe, either that or it's slow to start i'm not sure

more recently there's been a difference in his behavior, he's become less guarded which has made me more open

surprised me yesterday when he kissed me, which hasnt happened since the first time we had sex

probably sounds weird but we've been having sex together and seeing each other at least once a week (sometimes more sometimes less) for i guess about a year and a half or so im not sure

definitely over a year

we have food and stuff in our fridge that's his, like he's just sort of ended up being this big part of my life and is around

like just he's family and just sort of was but we have weird communication issues somehow

it's an odd dynamic, i dont know how to really describe it

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posted December 15, 2018 09:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ana_bee:
Sorry, but this is not true! The 5th house means so many other things.. it could just as well mean, you’re here to form a creative partnership.. working together in art or entertainment.. but most likely it means that this is a hot romance or a fling rather than a relationship. This is more likely, depending on other synastry aspects.

Really? I wonder why we think of having a child if there isn't serious feelings involved? To me a fling has no emotions...it's just pure sex and we both don't do flings that involved having a child (traditional eastern culture mindset and isn't it normal to want a child only with someone you love?), yet this is what he has mentioned to me several times. I have asked him why and he said it's a strong desire he has. I'm surprised that I desire it too. I'm not saying we will definitely have a child but this desire has been brewing. We're not involved in any creative work together though.

What does NN in 4th house mean btw?

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posted December 17, 2018 10:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gracha     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ana_bee:
Sorry, but this is not true! The 5th house means so many other things.. it could just as well mean, you’re here to form a creative partnership.. working together in art or entertainment.. but most likely it means that this is a hot romance or a fling rather than a relationship. This is more likely, depending on other synastry aspects.

NN in 5th house composite chart have pointed to many couples having children together, myself included and others I have seen this with. But like I mentioned, "it almost always" means having children together. Notice I didn't say for everyone this is true. Just because because NN is in 5th house composite doesn't mean by your interpretation that it's destined to be a "fling or hot romance" lol...to get to a serious relationship/marriage wouldn't you usually have to go through 5th house activities anyway loooollll

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posted December 17, 2018 10:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gracha     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
Really? I wonder why we think of having a child if there isn't serious feelings involved? To me a fling has no emotions...it's just pure sex and we both don't do flings that involved having a child (traditional eastern culture mindset and isn't it normal to want a child only with someone you love?), yet this is what he has mentioned to me several times. I have asked him why and he said it's a strong desire he has. I'm surprised that I desire it too. I'm not saying we will definitely have a child but this desire has been brewing. We're not involved in any creative work together though.

What does NN in 4th house mean btw?



If synastry, NN in 4th could mean wanting to start a home with the person, feeling emotionally safe. Perhaps you both feel at home with the other.

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posted December 17, 2018 11:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Gracha:
In Synastry, NN in 4th could mean wanting to start a home with the person, feeling emotionally safe. Perhaps you both feel at home with the other.

I mean Composite NN in 4th.

But anyway, I just noticed in Synastry both our NNs fall in each other's 5th house as well. Does this enhance our desire to want to have children together?

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