posted December 20, 2018 05:40 AM            

Example:
He has 2 minor trines involving Mercury, Uranus, Jupiter and Mars and I put my Mars opposite his Mercury which creates 2 kites and 2 grand trines.

For me also I have 2 t-squares involving Mars, Moon, Neptune & Venus. He puts his Sun opposite my Mars to form 2 grand crosses in my chart.

posted December 20, 2018 06:11 AM            

And if it does close a pattern, like in my example, it can become like glue because it encapsulates the two people in this energy. Pattern completion is a good thing. If a person has a natal square and someone comes along and gives it an opposition to one point, thus forming now a T square, it can help change the stuck energy of the square person and give it a new direction or outlet. Even though it is a challenging aspect, the natal square person has already been dealing with the square their whole life and can still benefit from this new direction and outlet.

posted December 20, 2018 06:26 AM            

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Originally posted by StoneMoon:
Pattern completion, from what I understand, makes the person feel more "whole" so it is like a glue. If you have a trine and suddenly someone comes along and completes the third piece and now, together, you have a grand trine, they give you a new and different and usually improved energy. Especially if it "closes" a pattern, as in my example. It helps with the flow.

And if it does close a pattern, like in my example, it can become like glue because it encapsulates the two people in this energy. Pattern completion is a good thing. If a person has a natal square and someone comes along and gives it an opposition to one point, thus forming now a T square, it can help change the stuck energy of the square person and give it a new direction or outlet. Even though it is a challenging aspect, the natal square person has already been dealing with the square their whole life and can still benefit from this new direction and outlet.

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Thanks, StoneMoon.
So can I say the natal person will be the one feeling gluey as the other person kinda "completes" them?

posted December 24, 2018 05:46 AM            

I think both people feel the energy. I don't know how important they truly are, but personally I think very. I say this because every significant person in my life has formed a pattern in my chart and me in theirs.

posted December 24, 2018 07:18 AM            

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Originally posted by StoneMoon:
Hikaru,

I think both people feel the energy. I don't know how important they truly are, but personally I think very. I say this because every significant person in my life has formed a pattern in my chart and me in theirs.

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Do you feel it when it's your planet completing their patterns? It'll be nice if it is cos I'm looking at my synastry with my guy which seems nothing amazing but I feel so good with him. He completing my love config t-square into a grand cross seems to be the reason why...he completes my love needs and makes me wanna settle down with him. My Mars completing his small trine of Mars, Uranus, Mercury, Jupiter into a kite probably makes him feel that I can aid him in his aspirations and ideas and I support his drive?

posted December 24, 2018 08:03 AM            

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Originally posted by StoneMoon:
Pattern completion, from what I understand, makes the person feel more "whole" so it is like a glue. If you have a trine and suddenly someone comes along and completes the third piece and now, together, you have a grand trine, they give you a new and different and usually improved energy. Especially if it "closes" a pattern, as in my example. It helps with the flow.

And if it does close a pattern, like in my example, it can become like glue because it encapsulates the two people in this energy. Pattern completion is a good thing. If a person has a natal square and someone comes along and gives it an opposition to one point, thus forming now a T square, it can help change the stuck energy of the square person and give it a new direction or outlet. Even though it is a challenging aspect, the natal square person has already been dealing with the square their whole life and can still benefit from this new direction and outlet.

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Hikaru29 - thank you for starting this thread!!

Stonemoon - I have been trying to find some information about completeing patterns as well. With someone, he completes a Tsquare in my chart - I have natal moon Conjunct sun square mars. His Mars square my mars opposite my Conjunct sun/ moon. Pretty tight orb and in fixed signs - Leo, Taurus, Aqua.

I also complete a Tsquare in his chart - his Natal Venus square his own Saturn/Pluto/moon stellium and my Venus/ASC/Jupiter loosely square that, opposed his Venus. Again in fixed signs.

posted January 02, 2019 05:23 PM            

I see more synastries without pattern completion than with.

Having said that, I think it DOES add a heightened feeling of "completed-ness" as suggested already, or perhaps just that feeling of "meant to be" or an overall sense of ease (though that doesn't automatically mean the relationship will last forever).

When I say that I am referring to grand trines & kites specifically.

Mystic rectangles I've seen in couples where they've been drawn together to work on something, whether its themselves or each other or something outside of themselves. I have this with my mother and while I feel we have a special bond, our relationship has been nothing but challenging.

posted February 20, 2019 11:20 PM            

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Originally posted by margym0o:
Pattern completion isn't required to have a satisfying relationship.

I see more synastries without pattern completion than with.

Having said that, I think it DOES add a heightened feeling of "completed-ness" as suggested already, or perhaps just that feeling of "meant to be" or an overall sense of ease (though that doesn't automatically mean the relationship will last forever).

When I say that I am referring to grand trines & kites specifically.

Mystic rectangles I've seen in couples where they've been drawn together to work on something, whether its themselves or each other or something outside of themselves. I have this with my mother and while I feel we have a special bond, our relationship has been nothing but challenging.

T-squares I've experienced as being stressful. It's something you have to integrate into the relationship and constantly be working on otherwise it will really run away from you and dominate the positive feelings.

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posted February 20, 2019 11:52 PM            

It also depends on what planets are involved: planetary configurations with Saturn, Pluto, Mars and Neptune are vastly different than if it was Moon, Venus, Pluto and Sun.

Whether square, triangle or t-square.

If we want to debate who feels what more, I would hazard a guess for fun, that it's the planet that comes to complete the configuration that feels it the most.

It's like it has returned to an already established union - the planet is like a free radical looking for somewhere to settle.

posted February 21, 2019 12:51 AM            

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Originally posted by sassaqua:
There are other threads on this that contain deep discussion if you do a search.

It also depends on what planets are involved: planetary configurations with Saturn, Pluto, Mars and Neptune are vastly different than if it was Moon, Venus, Pluto and Sun.

Whether square, triangle or t-square.

If we want to debate who feels what more, I would hazard a guess for fun, that it's the planet that comes to complete the configuration that feels it the most.

It's like it has returned to an already established union - the planet is like a free radical looking for somewhere to settle.

For the planets that are already in a relationship in that chart, eg, already in a square or trine, they will feel it less intensely because they are already in union. And especially initially.

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posted November 21, 2019 06:50 AM            

Pattern completion. I vote that both people feel it strongly, just differently. I think the person who is being completed feels it in a sense of the missing piece is finally here.

For a grand cross being completed from a natal t-square- its stability. Like the fourth leg of that table or chair is now in place and things aren't rocking around anymore.

But for the person coming in to the pattern, it will wholly depend on whether its a single planet of theirs being joined, or if that planet is in a configuration. I think if they have a single planet joining in, they will feel this little vortex sucking them in. It could be good, or it could be suffocating. It all depends on the person's chart to begin with.

posted November 21, 2019 12:24 PM            

I just noticed we have another pattern completion in Synastry and it's a CRADLE.

In natal I've Moon conjunct Neptune in Sag opposite Venus in Gemini while he has a small trine (Libra Moon sextile Leo Venus / Sag Neptune with Neptune-Venus in trine). My opposition planets formed a cradle with his planets with my Moon/Neptune conjunct his Neptune sextile his Moon trine his Venus; my Venus sextile his Venus trine his Moon.

I'm not sure how to correctly interpret a Cradle but I believe this "web" is the reason why I feel that he's able to satisfy my need for love and affection and I find that so addictive.

posted November 21, 2019 03:27 PM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
I read somewhere that if you put your planet in your partner's chart and it completes a pattern i.e. grand cross/grand kite, etc... it makes this relationship a significant one.

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Potentially, yes, but there always needs to be other factors showing affinity.

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Example:
He has 2 minor trines involving Mercury, Uranus, Jupiter and Mars and I put my Mars opposite his Mercury which creates 2 kites and 2 grand trines.

For me also I have 2 t-squares involving Mars, Moon, Neptune & Venus. He puts his Sun opposite my Mars to form 2 grand crosses in my chart.

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It really helps us to see the synastry chart and whether these aspects described fall into synastry orbs (which should be about 5.5° max, except for luminaries). But I'll answer in a general way assuming all these aspects are within orb.

Grand trines show natural compatibility. They facilitate interest in each other, attraction, and willingness to pursue the relationship. And they give a platform of compatibility for saying 'yes' to the challenges posed in mutually formed squares and crosses.

Grand crosses in synastry are challenging. It is significant, yes, but possible at least one person won't want to pursue those challenges.

I'll show my own example here that I think speaks to the kind of patterns you're asking about.

I'm happily married now, but have a female friend from another country who I've never met in person. We started emailing as a pen pal in the early 2000s and later she began to call me periodically. We'd talk extensively at times. I grew to feel great affection for her. I could not see myself going to her country to live and we never talked that way, just as friends who could talk about astrology, spiritual things, natural medicine, etc. So I had to move on and find someone here in the states that I feel that way about.

Here is the synastry between us. Between our charts two grand trines are created that involve her Venus and mine. Her Pluto is nearly exactly trine my Venus. Both are trine her Venus.

This is a significant friendship to me. To be honest, if she'd been here in the states I would have almost certainly pursued a relationship with her. I consider her a soul mate who is on a slightly different path simply because of the region where she lives. Spiritually I think we're in a very similar place.

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Some say this makes people feel gluey, how so? And who feels it? The one who puts his/her planets there, or the one who receives it?

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I don't know what people mean by gluey, but that doesn't necessarily mean clingy to me. Lasting friendship, lasting significance is possible, even if you're not in contact. These configurations speak as much or more about your shared past as they do about what you'll feel now (this lifetime) or the rest of your life.

I think your questions reflect an attempt to over-specify exactly what each person feels and how much related to such configurations. It is best to assume the astrological dynamic is mutual, but not binding. That's all.

I think both people feel the dynamic of attraction/interest, love/friendship, but will describe it in their own way. What matters is allowing it to add something positive to your life, your attitude about life and people. I think people here on LL or who are learning astrology often try to wrangle too much specificity about others' feelings from synastry. Synastry is in the living, not the descriptions, expectations, or predictions.

posted November 21, 2019 06:23 PM            

But I do feel there is major significance to pattern completion. My partner has a T-square in his natal chart. I complete it for a Grand Cross. So does his brother, his best friend, one of his parents, and two past significant long term relationships.

The best explanation is this, and straight from his mouth. Keep in mind, he is a skeptic when it comes to astrology.

posted November 22, 2019 01:05 AM            

It's true we often try to figure out how the other party feels (we're humans after all!). I'm not trying find proof that he likes me but rather, if his Sun completing a grand cross on my t-square may be stressful for him (although he's not giving me that vibe). His Sun opposes my Mars in a wide orb which you will not consider but squares my Moon/Venus by 2 & 4°. I read that Moon-Mars-Venus in a t-square is a love config and it seeks someone who makes it into a grand cross, which my guy does with his Sun. My ex-bf also did with his Mars.

posted November 22, 2019 01:06 AM            

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Originally posted by StoneMoon:
But I do feel there is major significance to pattern completion. My partner has a T-square in his natal chart. I complete it for a Grand Cross.

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posted November 22, 2019 07:44 AM            

My Moon: Cap 24
My Sun: Cancer 26
My Jupiter: Cancer 19