posted December 29, 2018 11:02 AM            

SYNASTRY -

posted December 29, 2018 11:51 AM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
First impression-
- Angles all conjunct in synastry! Wow.
- That stellium falling in the 8th. Passionate max? Plus both have Pluto on the Asc and Composite Venus conj Jupiter in 8th and stellium in Cancer. CLOSE and INTENSE and Passionate. That's my feel.
- Sun conjunct Moon great understanding.
- Moon conjunct Uranus instant attraction. Conjunct Saturn also emotional closeness but serious.
- That grand cross in Composite seems to say tension creates intensity.
- Composite Pluto on Scorpio Asc and Mars in Aries.

All the intense, loving, passionate planets. I can't breathe.

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Curious about what exactly it means when all the angles are conjunct? Been trying to research it.

posted December 29, 2018 12:40 PM            

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Originally posted by hcookies:
Curious about what exactly it means when all the angles are conjunct? Been trying to research it.

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posted December 29, 2018 01:30 PM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
https://youtu.be/DB2r0Z3LehA

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posted December 29, 2018 01:47 PM            

We met nine years ago. Total strangers standing outside of a movie theater. We had seen the same movie and he was going on and on (loudly, I might add) about how bad the movie sucked and how anyone who liked it is an idiot and something inside me snapped. I turned to face him and went off on him, asking him why he cared so much what other people thought, etc. I walked away from him after, fully thinking I'd never see that guy again. He found me through mutual friends (god, the world is small, isn't it?) and asked me out. We dated for a month, complete chaos, most of which I attribute to our plutonic personalities, being very young (19 & 21). total power plays, passionate and intense physicality. a lot of lies, though, on his end which I sort of attribute to the neptune contacts in his natal chart and the ones in our composite.

Eight years of bickering, outright trying to oneup and compete with each other, him entering my close friend group and showing up everywhere. Invading my space, trying to get relationship advice from me, trying to give me relationship advice for my own relationships. And while I found all of this overwhelming and ****** , I could never get it together and let him go. If we went a few months speaking I'd get antsy, and one of us would text, or we would run into each other randomly.

posted December 29, 2018 09:20 PM            

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Originally posted by hcookies:
BACKGROUND INFO:

We met nine years ago. Total strangers standing outside of a movie theater. We had seen the same movie and he was going on and on (loudly, I might add) about how bad the movie sucked and how anyone who liked it is an idiot and something inside me snapped. I turned to face him and went off on him, asking him why he cared so much what other people thought, etc. I walked away from him after, fully thinking I'd never see that guy again. He found me through mutual friends (god, the world is small, isn't it?) and asked me out. We dated for a month, complete chaos, most of which I attribute to our plutonic personalities, being very young (19 & 21). total power plays, passionate and intense physicality. a lot of lies, though, on his end which I sort of attribute to the neptune contacts in his natal chart and the ones in our composite.

Eight years of bickering, outright trying to oneup and compete with each other, him entering my close friend group and showing up everywhere. Invading my space, trying to get relationship advice from me, trying to give me relationship advice for my own relationships. And while I found all of this overwhelming and ****** , I could never get it together and let him go. If we went a few months speaking I'd get antsy, and one of us would text, or we would run into each other randomly.

This year has been the first time in nine year we haven't spoken (my decision, I cut him off in Dec 2017) But I've run into him a few times, in the most unlikely of places (street corners, not events) and I'm completely haunted by it. It feels deeply, deeply unsolved. And important.

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This is a deep soul connection. Sun/Moon conjunctions are powerful. Both in the 9th, and overlaying in the 9th. You "light up" eachother, teach other.

As both of you are Scorpio Rising, the double whammy of Pluto on Ascendant - means it's opposite the descendant in Taurus. It's almost like a sub for Pluto opposite Venus. Also your Pluto is opposite his Mars. Damn. This is where the power plays originate. This is magnetic.... but the manipulation, paranoia, and mind-games! Especially if the maturity is lacking... it must feel so emotionally draining and confusing at times.... but so hot. Basically what you describe manifested while you dated.... and long after your break up.

I see why you cut him off cold! His moon hits your Uranus and Saturn. You can pull away and shut him down (crave freedom from his emotions/feelings/gestures).... and then after some time passes... you come to hate the distance and crave his attention. This is a cycle. He craves closeness from you.

His Moon is in Sag ruled by Jupiter... your Jupiter falls into his 7th. Then your moon falls into his 9th house (naturally ruled by Sag). His attraction to you is strongly felt.

Thoughts on your composite - your charts are similar to one of my most magnetic past relationships.... if I'm off the mark, I do apologize - I am no expert - but what sticks out:

The conjunctions of Uranus, Saturn and Neptune opposite Venus attribute to on/off energy, lies (deception), and a strong need to stay connected (Cap stellium - Saturn).

I am saying this from experience - those oppositions are a challenge if either of you want some kind of stability. It takes real maturity to see past the "competitive" / sensitive combative energy between you and him.

Pluto Trine Venus is soulful and the urge to merge (sexually) will always be there. That Moon/Mars opposition is undeniably sexy, but emotions can get out of hand. When one of you is feeling vulnerable and wanting support/love the other can come off insensitive, selfish and/or too aggressive.

Saturn squares Mars... the fire can either burn steady... or suddenly stomp out the flame.

If anything, I have noticed (and often lived this generational aspect with lovers my age or a little younger than me -- I know you crossed out the years for both of you... but bingo) that Saturn conjunct Uranus in a composite or Davison is a mark of separations / physical distance / obstacles. Life seems to happen around you, and the relationship never comes together or gets off the ground. Things always seems to come between you - in a literal sense.

The connections to Chiron suggest that this relationship has contributed great growth and healing, with moments (maybe long stretches) of extreme emotional pain and disappointment. I've been there....

I think Neptune is causing the illusion of things being "unresolved" or fateful.

I held on to my situationship because of the deeply emotional and sexual chemistry - it was addictive and mentally stimulating - but I had to accept what really was. Acknowledge the good but also the bad - and the bad was drowning us, and holding me back.

Neptune is good at that... always giving you hope even if things seem (are!) impossible, makes you dream, and believe beyond what is tangible and based in reality.

posted December 30, 2018 01:56 AM            

"that Saturn conjunct Uranus in a composite or Davison is a mark of separations / physical distance / obstacles. "

How about the square? Same interpretation? I only read that this caused a buildup of tension which can be damaging.

posted December 30, 2018 02:55 AM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
Hetshepsit,

"that Saturn conjunct Uranus in a composite or Davison is a mark of separations / physical distance / obstacles. "

How about the square? Same interpretation? I only read that this caused a buildup of tension which can be damaging.

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Conflict for sure, but Saturn is about stability and solidifying, while Uranus is about diverging and breaking free of rules and restrictions. If it's a trine, sextile or semi-sextile the energies can work together. But honestly, it's best not to have a Saturn/Uranus aspect in a composite or Davison chart.

The conjunction is a clash of both energies (things just keep changing/others come between you, and it's out of your control) which causes separations and difficulty in being together physically.

posted December 30, 2018 04:09 AM            

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Originally posted by Hetshepsit:
Conflict for sure, but Saturn is about stability and solidifying, while Uranus is about diverging and breaking free of rules and restrictions. If it's a trine, sextile or semi-sextile the energies can work together. But honestly, it's best not to have a Saturn/Uranus aspect in a composite or Davison chart.

The conjunction is a clash of both energies (things just keep changing/others come between you, and it's out of your control) which causes separations and difficulty in being together physically.

The square is similar. There's no common ground or harmony to be stable. It's like trying to reach a mountain peak - and the mountain keeps growing.... avalanches.... then a blizzard... making it impossible to reach the top. I take it as a sure sign that it's not meant to last, especially if the orb is less than 4 degrees.

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My ex and I had the square. We were tog 7yrs. Others coming between us is true.. there were always obligations taking him away from me. But I blamed it on his immaturity in prioritising his affairs. He took me for granted. It wasn't unworkable actually and I shouldn't have let my unhappiness build up... I never told him how I felt. eventually I broke up with him.

My aunt and her husband has the opposition and it's in a t-square with Jupiter on the MC. Saturn is also opposing Pluto in another t-square with Jupiter. Married for 20+yrs. He always has family obligations that interrupted them. She was unhappy and she told him. Situation not entirely resolved but they were never separated but she has to constantly follow his schedule due to his obligations. That she resented but they won't part, from the way I see.

posted December 30, 2018 08:50 AM            

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Originally posted by Chalk:
pluto conjunct ascendant, uranus/neptune in 2nd house synastry and composite charts

Moon conjunct the South Node.

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posted December 30, 2018 08:53 AM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
My ex and I had the square. We were tog 7yrs. Others coming between us is true.. there were always obligations taking him away from me. But I blamed it on his immaturity in prioritising his affairs. He took me for granted. It wasn't unworkable actually and I shouldn't have let my unhappiness build up... I never told him how I felt. eventually I broke up with him.

My aunt and her husband has the opposition and it's in a t-square with Jupiter on the MC. Saturn is also opposing Pluto in another t-square with Jupiter. Married for 20+yrs. He always has family obligations that interrupted them. She was unhappy and she told him. Situation not entirely resolved but they were never separated but she has to constantly follow his schedule due to his obligations. That she resented but they won't part, from the way I see.

This aspect needs a lot of give and take and talking/working out issues and obligations.

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posted December 30, 2018 08:57 AM            

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Originally posted by Hetshepsit:
This is a deep soul connection. Sun/Moon conjunctions are powerful. Both in the 9th, and overlaying in the 9th. You "light up" eachother, teach other.

As both of you are Scorpio Rising, the double whammy of Pluto on Ascendant - means it's opposite the descendant in Taurus. It's almost like a sub for Pluto opposite Venus. Also your Pluto is opposite his Mars. Damn. This is where the power plays originate. This is magnetic.... but the manipulation, paranoia, and mind-games! Especially if the maturity is lacking... it must feel so emotionally draining and confusing at times.... but so hot. Basically what you describe manifested while you dated.... and long after your break up.

I see why you cut him off cold! His moon hits your Uranus and Saturn. You can pull away and shut him down (crave freedom from his emotions/feelings/gestures).... and then after some time passes... you come to hate the distance and crave his attention. This is a cycle. He craves closeness from you.

His Moon is in Sag ruled by Jupiter... your Jupiter falls into his 7th. Then your moon falls into his 9th house (naturally ruled by Sag). His attraction to you is strongly felt.

Thoughts on your composite - your charts are similar to one of my most magnetic past relationships.... if I'm off the mark, I do apologize - I am no expert - but what sticks out:

The conjunctions of Uranus, Saturn and Neptune opposite Venus attribute to on/off energy, lies (deception), and a strong need to stay connected (Cap stellium - Saturn).

I am saying this from experience - those oppositions are a challenge if either of you want some kind of stability. It takes real maturity to see past the "competitive" / sensitive combative energy between you and him.

Pluto Trine Venus is soulful and the urge to merge (sexually) will always be there. That Moon/Mars opposition is undeniably sexy, but emotions can get out of hand. When one of you is feeling vulnerable and wanting support/love the other can come off insensitive, selfish and/or too aggressive.

Saturn squares Mars... the fire can either burn steady... or suddenly stomp out the flame.

If anything, I have noticed (and often lived this generational aspect with lovers my age or a little younger than me -- I know you crossed out the years for both of you... but bingo) that Saturn conjunct Uranus in a composite or Davison is a mark of separations / physical distance / obstacles. Life seems to happen around you, and the relationship never comes together or gets off the ground. Things always seems to come between you - in a literal sense.

The connections to Chiron suggest that this relationship has contributed great growth and healing, with moments (maybe long stretches) of extreme emotional pain and disappointment. I've been there....

I think Neptune is causing the illusion of things being "unresolved" or fateful.

I held on to my situationship because of the deeply emotional and sexual chemistry - it was addictive and mentally stimulating - but I had to accept what really was. Acknowledge the good but also the bad - and the bad was drowning us, and holding me back.

Neptune is good at that... always giving you hope even if things seem (are!) impossible, makes you dream, and believe beyond what is tangible and based in reality.

Have you looked at your Davison chart with him? Could you post it?

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WOW. Thank you so so much for this thoughtful response. I’m going to take the time to respond properly but in the meantime here is our Davidson, would love your thoughts on that as well

posted December 30, 2018 08:57 AM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
My ex and I had the square. We were tog 7yrs. Others coming between us is true.. there were always obligations taking him away from me. But I blamed it on his immaturity in prioritising his affairs. He took me for granted. It wasn't unworkable actually and I shouldn't have let my unhappiness build up... I never told him how I felt. eventually I broke up with him.

My aunt and her husband has the opposition and it's in a t-square with Jupiter on the MC. Saturn is also opposing Pluto in another t-square with Jupiter. Married for 20+yrs. He always has family obligations that interrupted them. She was unhappy and she told him. Situation not entirely resolved but they were never separated but she has to constantly follow his schedule due to his obligations. That she resented but they won't part, from the way I see.

This aspect needs a lot of give and take and talking/working out issues and obligations.

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That's so interesting. I think overall the theme is "push toward and pull away" as a day-to-day challenge. But it makes sense that the opposition could allow a long-term relationship to work around the interruptions and sudden absences. Jupiter on the MC gives an exalted purpose to their public image as a couple. But I really feel for your Aunt. That isn't enough - she wants his time and real intimacy.

posted December 30, 2018 09:14 AM            

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Originally posted by Hetshepsit:
This is a deep soul connection. Sun/Moon conjunctions are powerful. Both in the 9th, and overlaying in the 9th. You "light up" eachother, teach other.

As both of you are Scorpio Rising, the double whammy of Pluto on Ascendant - means it's opposite the descendant in Taurus. It's almost like a sub for Pluto opposite Venus. Also your Pluto is opposite his Mars. Damn. This is where the power plays originate. This is magnetic.... but the manipulation, paranoia, and mind-games! Especially if the maturity is lacking... it must feel so emotionally draining and confusing at times.... but so hot. Basically what you describe manifested while you dated.... and long after your break up.

I see why you cut him off cold! His moon hits your Uranus and Saturn. You can pull away and shut him down (crave freedom from his emotions/feelings/gestures).... and then after some time passes... you come to hate the distance and crave his attention. This is a cycle. He craves closeness from you.

His Moon is in Sag ruled by Jupiter... your Jupiter falls into his 7th. Then your moon falls into his 9th house (naturally ruled by Sag). His attraction to you is strongly felt.

Thoughts on your composite - your charts are similar to one of my most magnetic past relationships.... if I'm off the mark, I do apologize - I am no expert - but what sticks out:

The conjunctions of Uranus, Saturn and Neptune opposite Venus attribute to on/off energy, lies (deception), and a strong need to stay connected (Cap stellium - Saturn).

I am saying this from experience - those oppositions are a challenge if either of you want some kind of stability. It takes real maturity to see past the "competitive" / sensitive combative energy between you and him.

Pluto Trine Venus is soulful and the urge to merge (sexually) will always be there. That Moon/Mars opposition is undeniably sexy, but emotions can get out of hand. When one of you is feeling vulnerable and wanting support/love the other can come off insensitive, selfish and/or too aggressive.

Saturn squares Mars... the fire can either burn steady... or suddenly stomp out the flame.

If anything, I have noticed (and often lived this generational aspect with lovers my age or a little younger than me -- I know you crossed out the years for both of you... but bingo) that Saturn conjunct Uranus in a composite or Davison is a mark of separations / physical distance / obstacles. Life seems to happen around you, and the relationship never comes together or gets off the ground. Things always seems to come between you - in a literal sense.

The connections to Chiron suggest that this relationship has contributed great growth and healing, with moments (maybe long stretches) of extreme emotional pain and disappointment. I've been there....

I think Neptune is causing the illusion of things being "unresolved" or fateful.

I held on to my situationship because of the deeply emotional and sexual chemistry - it was addictive and mentally stimulating - but I had to accept what really was. Acknowledge the good but also the bad - and the bad was drowning us, and holding me back.

Neptune is good at that... always giving you hope even if things seem (are!) impossible, makes you dream, and believe beyond what is tangible and based in reality.

Have you looked at your Davison chart with him? Could you post it?

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I’ve also attached our natal charts:

Mine:

His:

posted December 30, 2018 09:17 AM            

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Originally posted by hcookies:

Wow, fascinating, thank you! It does feel hugely obligational, even now that we’re not together. I feel dirty and responsibility (Saturn) towards him.

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posted December 30, 2018 11:55 AM            

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Originally posted by Hetshepsit:
This is a deep soul connection. Sun/Moon conjunctions are powerful. Both in the 9th, and overlaying in the 9th. You "light up" eachother, teach other.

As both of you are Scorpio Rising, the double whammy of Pluto on Ascendant - means it's opposite the descendant in Taurus. It's almost like a sub for Pluto opposite Venus. Also your Pluto is opposite his Mars. Damn. This is where the power plays originate. This is magnetic.... but the manipulation, paranoia, and mind-games! Especially if the maturity is lacking... it must feel so emotionally draining and confusing at times.... but so hot. Basically what you describe manifested while you dated.... and long after your break up.

I see why you cut him off cold! His moon hits your Uranus and Saturn. You can pull away and shut him down (crave freedom from his emotions/feelings/gestures).... and then after some time passes... you come to hate the distance and crave his attention. This is a cycle. He craves closeness from you.

His Moon is in Sag ruled by Jupiter... your Jupiter falls into his 7th. Then your moon falls into his 9th house (naturally ruled by Sag). His attraction to you is strongly felt.

Thoughts on your composite - your charts are similar to one of my most magnetic past relationships.... if I'm off the mark, I do apologize - I am no expert - but what sticks out:

The conjunctions of Uranus, Saturn and Neptune opposite Venus attribute to on/off energy, lies (deception), and a strong need to stay connected (Cap stellium - Saturn).

I am saying this from experience - those oppositions are a challenge if either of you want some kind of stability. It takes real maturity to see past the "competitive" / sensitive combative energy between you and him.

Pluto Trine Venus is soulful and the urge to merge (sexually) will always be there. That Moon/Mars opposition is undeniably sexy, but emotions can get out of hand. When one of you is feeling vulnerable and wanting support/love the other can come off insensitive, selfish and/or too aggressive.

Saturn squares Mars... the fire can either burn steady... or suddenly stomp out the flame.

If anything, I have noticed (and often lived this generational aspect with lovers my age or a little younger than me -- I know you crossed out the years for both of you... but bingo) that Saturn conjunct Uranus in a composite or Davison is a mark of separations / physical distance / obstacles. Life seems to happen around you, and the relationship never comes together or gets off the ground. Things always seems to come between you - in a literal sense.

The connections to Chiron suggest that this relationship has contributed great growth and healing, with moments (maybe long stretches) of extreme emotional pain and disappointment. I've been there....

I think Neptune is causing the illusion of things being "unresolved" or fateful.

I held on to my situationship because of the deeply emotional and sexual chemistry - it was addictive and mentally stimulating - but I had to accept what really was. Acknowledge the good but also the bad - and the bad was drowning us, and holding me back.

Neptune is good at that... always giving you hope even if things seem (are!) impossible, makes you dream, and believe beyond what is tangible and based in reality.

Have you looked at your Davison chart with him? Could you post it?

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Okay! Ready to respond more thoroughly. This was an incredible reading, felt things~ while I read it. The push pull Uranus aspect is deeply felt. It’s cyclical: we don’t speak for a few months, then I get this overwhelming sense of need, of want and I either contact him and there have been honest to god times where I swear I felt I manifested him by sheer desire, haha. But seriously one of us texts or indirectly does something to get the other persons attention (ie: liking something on IG, commenting on something we know the other will see, etc) and it happens all over again. We argue, over nothing (mars/pluto aspects) and its pure pleasure for both of us. It’s sport. Like you mentioned, mentally stimulating! Inevitably, I get emotional (moon aspects) and offended and walk away. He reaches out to apologize, we see each other again, it’s more tender less sexually charged and aggressive (cancer stellium in composite) cue the months of silence

Very intense emotional pain, for both of us. A lot of emotions, period. Have both cried in front of each other. But his fixed t square and his inability to really let go of his ego make his instinct to run/repress and hide very strong and he has a much easier time bringing the conversation back to rational from emotional, which of course upsets me as I want to live in deep waters all the time (8th h stellium)

posted December 30, 2018 11:56 AM            

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Originally posted by Hetshepsit:
That's so interesting. I think overall the theme is "push toward and pull away" as a day-to-day challenge. But it makes sense that the opposition could allow a long-term relationship to work around the interruptions and sudden absences. Jupiter on the MC gives an exalted purpose to their public image as a couple. But I really feel for your Aunt. That isn't enough - she wants his time and real intimacy.

In their 20+ plus year marriage, has there ever been a time where she was the one often away or too busy to be with her husband? I'd assume the energy swings between them.

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posted January 02, 2019 09:33 AM            

Saturn also has 3 hard aspects to Sun/Moon/Mercury (in Capricorn no less) - this will undermine the fun in your relationship and make emotions cold, communication difficult.

Mercury is especially forming very close opposition with Saturn & Neptune which emphasises on the difficult communication. You will either get very critical of each other or don't understand each other at all (confusion).

Also that Davison Libra Moon looks stressed - square Sun/Mercury/Saturn/Neptune/Chiron and apex of 2 t-squares. That's too many squares IMO. This Moon seems emotionally cold, confused and misunderstood very often. I'm not sure if your sextile to Venus/trine to Jupiter can save it.

Pluto square Venus/Mars can be very attractive but also power struggles and manipulation. I personally love Pluto but if you don't have enough loving aspects, then this Pluto will be no fun, in Scorpio no less, sparring with Leo Venus/Mars. All in fixed signs (stubborn).