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posted January 11, 2019 10:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for implosions     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Normally a heavy 7th house in composite would indicate there's a lot going on in any sort of relationship, wouldn't it?

Not necessarily romantic, possibly just platonic, but something? I've been stuck on this one for almost 4 years now and I know it's got to do with my SN/Chiron conjunction to their Mars in synastry, but I am really struggling to get through this one. Normally I can let go fairly easy, even after at least a year. This is just driving me nuts, and I'm even hesitant about posting here for fear of just getting more stuck. But I would really appreciate any advice or insight, as confusion is what seems to be holding me back from letting go. (I like understanding something before I can put it to rest, and this one, augh.)

I know Pluto and Saturn are heavy hitters in a composite, and opposing Moon can be even more difficult- don't get me wrong there is some HEAVY energy between us, but it's all been really heavy on the destiny feeling. Met by one in a million chance, they were engaged at the time, then almost a year later we reconnect, find out they are single and we go heavy for about a year. I get mixed up with a toxic partner (now ex) and things have drifted since then, but haven't made it more than 2.5 months before reconnecting. Coming up 2.5 months now, and I'm really shaken up about it all. I am very Pluto heavy personally, so I know I have big issues of self-denial and refusing to let myself indulge in nice things out of fear they will knock me out, and currently they are seeing someone else and I am glad they are happy, but also that's a whole bag of pain to know they aren't available. (Pluto control issues, lol.)

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posted January 19, 2019 01:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for implosions     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted January 20, 2019 07:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for todd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
well you do have two aspects that often give a sense of destiny.

first your juno is conjunct o Uranus and south node.
this shows you are connected on the astral plane so dream occurring dream bout him are very likely. this shows you have had vivid dreams about him which is one reason you can let this go.

then with juno opposed to these, you are deeply affected by the feeling that is a significant relationship that could develop in to commitment or more.
this adds to the sense of karma.
you also have chiron square to the vetex. this is actually the strongest symbol that gives unreal coincidences and otherworldly feelings. often , though you are different people, you both have had strange unusual synchronicity's in your life, that you never thought another person could have also .this often gives a inner sense of destiny/karma between you.
but chiron squar e the vertex is very difficult t form a relationship around for though it had to the psychic connection between, it often degenerates in to argumenst and painful criticism of each other. chiron gives you the desire to know each other inside and out , but when things go south, the recriminations can bite to the quick because you know each others weakness and strengths.
one you offend each other, it is very difficult to regain trust or intimacy.

of course the tsquare of moon/venus and Jupiter suggest a very loving relationship that might lead to commitment also. with both juno and Jupiter strong, the hope of a relationship might also be one of the hooks you can spit out.
I think that the midpoint of juno and Jupiter is conjunct to pallas, so this also reinforces the idea that the possibility of a committed so empowers you that you just can give up the joy of such a possibility.

the fly in the ointment is that mars is opposed to Neptune and the midpoint is opposed to pallas, so he is a player... he might be sensitive etc but his has his own emotional agenda and would never be loyal.

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posted January 24, 2019 12:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm actually a bit confused with your story. So are you 2 together or is this platonic?

"currently they are seeing someone else and I am glad they are happy,"

-- Who are you referring to?


With all those Pluto/Saturn I've no doubt this relationship feels heavy, transformative and even binding (Saturn conjunct Sun). Saturn can glue but it can also block. Being in 7H it can create fears regarding the partnership and overwhelming responsibility, and this can hold you back.

Pluto in 7H conjunct Dsc can bring up a lot of desire to control this partnership... furthermore it opposes Moon (very passionate but negative emotions can be brought out esp if one or both of you are plutonic).

I get a convoluted feel about your Moon. It is conjunct Ascendant but hidden in repressive 12H and being "stirred" by manipulative Pluto. I imagine regular sudden explosive emotional outbursts like a pressure cooker. Very volatile feelings. It doesn't look like a happy Moon.

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posted January 24, 2019 01:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for implosions     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
I'm actually a bit confused with your story. So are you 2 together or is this platonic?
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With all those Pluto/Saturn I've no doubt this relationship feels heavy, transformative and even binding (Saturn conjunct Sun). Saturn can glue but it can also block. Being in 7H it can create fears regarding the partnership and overwhelming responsibility, and this can hold you back.

Pluto in 7H conjunct Dsc can bring up a lot of desire to control this partnership... furthermore it opposes Moon (very passionate but negative emotions can be brought out esp if one or both of you are plutonic).

I get a convoluted feel about your Moon. It is conjunct Ascendant but hidden in repressive 12H and being "stirred" by manipulative Pluto. I imagine regular sudden explosive emotional outbursts like a pressure cooker. Very volatile feelings. It doesn't look like a happy Moon.


Nah, this is an old friend of mine. We tend to have an on/off interaction, but this was posted before I really seemed to hit my limit, so no we aren't together or communicating anymore. However I don't negate the fact the person I share this composite with is important to me. It had non-platonic (lmao) interactions as well as strictly platonic interactions.

I would, especially at this point, say it ended up being a 'block' instance for Saturn's influence. More on their end, as I am usually open to whatever lessons come from my interactions with people. They seemed not so much into the whole communication thing unless it was quite surface-ish. (I say ish because they were fine with me being deep, but often avoided it themselves). I am definitely the Plutonic one. I believe their only Pluto contacts were Pluto conjunct NN, and loosely opposing Chiron. I'm very Scorpio/Pluto/8th house heavy, and I definitely had a lot of weighted emotions involved. Thankfully I seem to have broken through them in the recent past and was a little surprised to remember about this post! The emotional pressure cooker vibe was real, too. It was never 'bad' or full of arguments, but the waves of my own emotional mess was very intense. I learned a lot. Very little idea for their end, unfortunately.

I definitely think it highlighted the fear for them in needing to 'take care' of me in many ways (they are further along in their life and life-story than myself yet, much more independence), and I immediately began work on realizing this for myself (and aiming toward gaining more independence) almost as soon as I met them. I am now neck deep in earning just that for myself, do or die!

Another interesting thing, though not shown in the chart I posted- our Anteros asteroid is exactly conjunct that 12th house moon. I know in my guts that we both give a real heck about one another, but the fear is strong in this one. Perhaps later in life we will reconnect at random (as we met by sheer random chance and a lot of lead-up circumstance; very 'destiny' felt, at least in my case), and see what happens. But I believe it has a lot to do with how independent and self sufficient I am on my own right. This relationship really shone a light on that for me, and it's been a difficult battle up to this point.

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posted January 24, 2019 02:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for implosions     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by todd:
well you do have two aspects that often give a sense of destiny.

first your juno is conjunct o Uranus and south node.
this shows you are connected on the astral plane so dream occurring dream bout him are very likely. this shows you have had vivid dreams about him which is one reason you can let this go.

then with juno opposed to these, you are deeply affected by the feeling that is a significant relationship that could develop in to commitment or more.
this adds to the sense of karma.
you also have chiron square to the vertex. this is actually the strongest symbol that gives unreal coincidences and otherworldly feelings. often , though you are different people, you both have had strange unusual synchronicity's in your life, that you never thought another person could have also .this often gives a inner sense of destiny/karma between you.
but chiron square the vertex is very difficult t form a relationship around for though it had to the psychic connection between, it often degenerates into arguments and painful criticism of each other. chiron gives you the desire to know each other inside and out , but when things go south, the recriminations can bite to the quick because you know each others weakness and strengths.
one you offend each other, it is very difficult to regain trust or intimacy.

of course the tsquare of moon/venus and Jupiter suggest a very loving relationship that might lead to commitment also. with both juno and Jupiter strong, the hope of a relationship might also be one of the hooks you can spit out.
I think that the midpoint of juno and Jupiter is conjunct to pallas, so this also reinforces the idea that the possibility of a committed so empowers you that you just can give up the joy of such a possibility.

the fly in the ointment is that mars is opposed to Neptune and the midpoint is opposed to pallas, so he is a player... he might be sensitive etc but his has his own emotional agenda and would never be loyal.

todd


Woops, missed this! Thanks for the reply!

I assume you mean north node with Uranus and juno? (I have this with a few other friends in the same age range, and those feel quite different for obvious reasons). As I mentioned in my reply to Hikaru, I've recently felt a very significant change in my attachment to this particular relationship, so the difficulty in 'letting go' has earnestly been confronted head on and more or less dealt with. It feels incredibly different, now, in how my attachment and emotional reaction is to it.

That being said! You're right. I definitely did have a few dreams of him, though most often I find him 'visiting' to some of my more semi-waking dreams (just falling asleep or just waking up). They never seemed that intense or emotional, more 'oh hey, you're here, what's up' in recent times, but they were uhh, quite spicy before all of this came to a head. Definitely what you mentioned has been felt in the few years I've known them. The coincidence and otherworldly feelings- wow, absolutely. I thought I was living in my own fantasy world at times, questioning of what I was feeling was some sort of made-up silliness. It's quite validating to hear someone else put it this way. We do have our Destiny (destinn) asteroids conjunct, mine on my North Node, theirs on their MC (all of which are conjunct), and I agree with the strange synchronic/destined feelings of it all. It was uncanny at times. I did feel heavy criticism from them at times, though they were always careful to let any of it out, but it was felt. I had my own with him, but it seemed more about their refusal to truly communicate. We were both obtusely kind to one another, which was quite nice, all things considered.

I suspect that earlier on in knowing each other, they hid a lot of their own side of things, and I may have inadvertently hurt their feelings quite a bit in my choices to somewhat (and then later decidedly) commit to someone else, eventually stating a 'platonic' boundary between us. Unfortunately they made no indication they ever wanted to pursue anything beyond frivolity with me, and although I convinced myself at the time it was for the best, I definitely was saddened by it. People have pointed out to me around this time that because of the lack of communication, they very likely didn't let on how much it bothered them (and tbh, I agree with that statement). Though a lot of my feeling points towards that I am the only one with big swells of emotion, and they were more blase about the whole thing. (They are very air/Venus heavy natally, and I am very water/Pluto heavy).

It was wonderful at times, but boy, if we even touched on anything negative, it was startlingly painful. I was shocked at the intensity of it, but also found it incredibly familiar, so I didn't really do anything about it for a long time. But we were very kind to one another, and genuinely had a lovely friendship when we did. We were very understanding and helpful to each other during difficult/fearful events in our lives since meeting, but damn, the lack of true communication really drove me up the wall.

Hah! We both have our natal Mars placements opposing each other's Neptune placement in synastry. It's a DW for sure. But I don't think you're far off in that statement. I think there was a lot they lied about (or simply omitted to 'spare my feelings' which also drove me nuts; I prefer honesty over any kind of white lie, especially to 'save my feelings'), so this drove me nuts. I think the Mars/Neptune opp in both of us made the committing to each other difficult. It felt .. unavailable or 'not allowed' from the get go, even though we were both actively open and single at the time. Things just happened. And I definitely had a deep seated suspect that loyalty would be an issue. We had one discussion I think, where they said they were only ever loyal in bed to one person at a time, but I think that Libra was happy to be attached to many other people otherwise. And I'm a Scorpio, hahahaha.

Phew, big reply here, sorry about that. You got me talking! Thanks for the reply, Todd, this was incredibly insightful!

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posted January 24, 2019 02:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by implosions:
Nah, this is an old friend of mine. We tend to have an on/off interaction, but this was posted before I really seemed to hit my limit, so no we aren't together or communicating anymore. However I don't negate the fact the person I share this composite with is important to me. It had non-platonic (lmao) interactions as well as strictly platonic interactions.

I would, especially at this point, say it ended up being a 'block' instance for Saturn's influence. More on their end, as I am usually open to whatever lessons come from my interactions with people. They seemed not so much into the whole communication thing unless it was quite surface-ish. (I say ish because they were fine with me being deep, but often avoided it themselves). I am definitely the Plutonic one. I believe their only Pluto contacts were Pluto conjunct NN, and loosely opposing Chiron. I'm very Scorpio/Pluto/8th house heavy, and I definitely had a lot of weighted emotions involved. Thankfully I seem to have broken through them in the recent past and was a little surprised to remember about this post! The emotional pressure cooker vibe was real, too. It was never 'bad' or full of arguments, but the waves of my own emotional mess was very intense. I learned a lot. Very little idea for their end, unfortunately.

I definitely think it highlighted the fear for them in needing to 'take care' of me in many ways (they are further along in their life and life-story than myself yet, much more independence), and I immediately began work on realizing this for myself (and aiming toward gaining more independence) almost as soon as I met them. I am now neck deep in earning just that for myself, do or die!

Another interesting thing, though not shown in the chart I posted- our Anteros asteroid is exactly conjunct that 12th house moon. I know in my guts that we both give a real heck about one another, but the fear is strong in this one. Perhaps later in life we will reconnect at random (as we met by sheer random chance and a lot of lead-up circumstance; very 'destiny' felt, at least in my case), and see what happens. But I believe it has a lot to do with how independent and self sufficient I am on my own right. This relationship really shone a light on that for me, and it's been a difficult battle up to this point.


When you say "they" you're really talking about ONE person, right? LOL.

Different people take away different feelings from the relationship so if you're plutonic with heavy water while he/she's not, then you're gonna feel much more emotionally heavy here. And you'll play more of the Pluto role in this relationship. Not everyone can handle Pluto to begin with, let alone so much.

But I'm glad you're finally closing this chapter and focusing on yourself.

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posted January 24, 2019 02:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for implosions     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
When you say "they" you're really talking about ONE person, right? LOL.

Different people take away different feelings from the relationship so if you're plutonic with heavy water while he/she's not, then you're gonna feel much more emotionally heavy here. And you'll play more of the Pluto role in this relationship. Not everyone can handle Pluto to begin with, let alone so much.

But I'm glad you're finally closing this chapter and focusing on yourself.


Yes! My apologies, I tend to refer to gender neutral 'they' out of habit. Maybe my weird level of personal privacy (such ... as it is lmao) prefers not to call them by 'him' or 'her' in situations. But any time I've said 'they' I am referring to 'them' as a singular person.

Yes, I definitely did! They do have Scorpio Uranus squaring their Aquarius Moon, (and that Uranus is conjunct their Ceres in Scorpio as well), so I imagine they may even have a rather difficult relationship with Scorpio energy in themselves. Hm!

And yeah, boy am I glad about it too. It feels so incredibly different than it did before. Still kind of twinge-y from time to time, but nothing like it was before. Maybe I should be thanking my Plutonic nature for the ability to just dive into needed transformations, haha!

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posted January 24, 2019 06:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for implosions     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh actually, Todd! Chiron is trine to Vertex, not square. i imagine that changes things a bit!

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implosions your composite chart with that person is a bit alike one I have with my guy friend I have/had feelings for. The things I have in commonwith yours is we have 7th house stellium (venus,neptune, saturn, juno,uranus).

Pluto aspects to both sun and pluto. Sun trine Pluto.
Moon in 12th too, in taurus opposite Pluto.

Mars square neptune.

We were classmates at university and it started as a flirtationship, then we had to dial it down to friendship.
But it was so hard! I was obsessed, I had so much up and downs emotionally. In the beginning it was super nice feelings. But then we had periods of saturnian and plutonic power plays, or misunderstandings etc. We eventually evolved our communication skills so in the end it transformed to the better. But still I’m plutonic, its all or nothing for me, I don’t feel I can stay friends only, its too hard emotionally...

I too don’t know how he was affected. If he too had intense feelings etc. It seemed so but I think he was able to detach easier then me.

I really feel transformed and now I feel its enough and I wanna sever all contact. Not because it happened something bad or anything, but I just feel like uts enough. The obsession has weared me down and I’m just sick of it!

I have heavy pluto aspects and 8th house stellium natally. He has pluto in scorpio in his 8th and sun sextile to his pluto and inconjunct pluto to his moon etc.

Anyways I think if a composite is plutonic, both parties should feel it? It seems weird if only one person would feel it since composite is midpoint affecting both people right?

Is there anyone with plutonic composite here who can confirm that both gets affected?

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posted January 28, 2019 12:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Melinn:
implosions your composite chart with that person is a bit alike one I have with my guy friend I have/had feelings for. The things I have in commonwith yours is we have 7th house stellium (venus,neptune, saturn, juno,uranus).

Pluto aspects to both sun and pluto. Sun trine Pluto.
Moon in 12th too, in taurus opposite Pluto.

Mars square neptune.

We were classmates at university and it started as a flirtationship, then we had to dial it down to friendship.
But it was so hard! I was obsessed, I had so much up and downs emotionally. In the beginning it was super nice feelings. But then we had periods of saturnian and plutonic power plays, or misunderstandings etc. We eventually evolved our communication skills so in the end it transformed to the better. But still I’m plutonic, its all or nothing for me, I don’t feel I can stay friends only, its too hard emotionally...

I too don’t know how he was affected. If he too had intense feelings etc. It seemed so but I think he was able to detach easier then me.

I really feel transformed and now I feel its enough and I wanna sever all contact. Not because it happened something bad or anything, but I just feel like uts enough. The obsession has weared me down and I’m just sick of it!

I have heavy pluto aspects and 8th house stellium natally. He has pluto in scorpio in his 8th and sun sextile to his pluto and inconjunct pluto to his moon etc.

Anyways I think if a composite is plutonic, both parties should feel it? It seems weird if only one person would feel it since composite is midpoint affecting both people right?

Is there anyone with plutonic composite here who can confirm that both gets affected?


You can do a composite to natal comparison to ascertain what he could be feeling. If the composite is making significant aspects to your planets and not his, then you likely feel more about the relationship than him.

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posted January 28, 2019 06:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Melinn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
You can do a composite to natal comparison to ascertain what he could be feeling. If the composite is making significant aspects to your planets and not his, then you likely feel more about the relationship than him.

Oh crap, this type of things drives me insane! I have looked so intensely and so often at our charts, that I feel almost blind and sick lol hard to see it clearly.

I think our synastry is stronger then composite though. In synastry there are many nice fluffy and warmth giving aspects , dynamic tension building aspects and
binding aspects like Saturn-Venus double whammy trine-sextile and its alike.

Also (still synastry) my Moon and mars are conjuct his IC,
We have great aspects to his IC ruler mercury.

We have many midpoint contacts. Like My moon and mars are exactly conjunct his Midpoint Sun/Moon in same degree.
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In Composite, the things I can see that may make him feel very much?:
The composite Moon is opposite his natal Pluto. And Comp Moon, Trine his natal Mars-neptune.

The composite saturn is opposite his natal IC.


The composite Venus-Juno and neptune are Conjunct his natal Mars and trine his natal sun.

Composite n.node and jupiter is close to conjunct his natal moon, but we have this in synastry aswell so.

I dunno. Our davison has heavy scorpio-capricorn-pisces stelliums.


Progessed composite right now is really a good match with his natal though. With composite Venus closing to his natal Sun.

Comp Mercury conj his natal Mercury.

Comp Sun in his Natal Sun sign Leo. etc


His progressed Venus is in Scorpio, Conjunct Pluto, if that makes him intense?
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Sorry did not wanna bore you with all the aspects and whatnot...

I suck at this.. I get a head ache when I try to grasp all the things in our charts bc I care (or cared?) very much for him... sigh

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Originally posted by Melinn:
Oh crap, this type of things drives me insane! I have looked so intensely and so often at our charts, that I feel almost blind and sick lol hard to see it clearly.

I think our synastry is stronger then composite though. In synastry there are many nice fluffy and warmth giving aspects , dynamic tension building aspects and
binding aspects like Saturn-Venus double whammy trine-sextile and its alike.

Also (still synastry) my Moon and mars are conjuct his IC,
We have great aspects to his IC ruler mercury.

We have many midpoint contacts. Like My moon and mars are exactly conjunct his Midpoint Sun/Moon in same degree.


The synastry aspects will show how you both experienced each other, e.g. your Moon on his IC will likely make him feel very comfortable with you...like he feels that he can be himself. However, I read that Mars on IC can go good or bad...he can like your drive or find you too aggressive (depending on how your Mars is like natally).

Comparing Composite/Davison to Natal will show how the relationship impacts you. Check close conjunctions between natals and composite/davison and where the c.planets fall in your charts. For me I also find the signs make an impact. E.g. if you have a comp stellium in Pisces and he has Pisces in his natal, he'll probably be comfortable with the relationship vibe.

c.Venus conjunct his natal Mars is nice... it energises him.

Read this to get an idea - https://cafeastrology.com/compositechart.html

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posted January 28, 2019 01:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My own e.g. our Davison Pluto/Karma conjunct his natal Moon/Pluto/NN so I believe our relationship impacted his emotional core deeply.

Our Davison Sun also conjunct my natal Saturn so I often feel that the difficulties we faced are insurmountable (I see all kinds of road blocks ahead of us), but at the same time, it makes me wanna keep trying.

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