posted January 23, 2019 05:28 AM            

Valentine conjunct MC
- Individuals in the r/s will be willing to sacrifice themselves to fulfil another's dreams/goals? Or do I interpret this as publicly showing their love?

Valentine trine Venus
- Does this create a protective kind of love?

posted January 24, 2019 03:12 AM            

That being said. I've got mine right smack on my Juno, which is conjunct my BML, both in Sag. I can definitively say I sacrifice a lot for a partner or person I'm loyal/committed to, whether that's romantic or otherwise. Possibly because of the BML tendencies in that I am really mentally my own person, no matter what anyone wants from me. I know that, so I make a lot of effort and give my full attention when I am with the person- I would do a lot for them, they just have to ask, and I'm 99.9% of the time totally down for it.

So I guess if Valentine is conjunct someone's MC- in this case the composite, so a relationship as a whole's persona to the world, what they want to present to it and what they make their efforts toward/their place in their purpose... I could see them wanting to spread that kind of love. Not on an individual level necessarily (like if it were on the DC), but over all. Maybe in a showy way, or in a way that's very 'out of the house' kind of PDA or really being there for each other in public.

Trine Venus seems nice. Pretty comfy, I'd say. I don't know if I'd attribute a protective kind of energy to Venus or a trine placement, but I could see it happily getting along with how they sacrifice or are committed to one another.

posted January 24, 2019 03:46 AM            

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Originally posted by implosions:
I know Valentine has been said to have a lot to do with sacrificing for the person, a deep kind of love- and I see a lot of extremes in either it's a super, duper meaningful love asteroid, or it really is kind of willy-nilly. All of these things I think depend solely on just how it fits into someone's chart personally, and through synastry.

That being said. I've got mine right smack on my Juno, which is conjunct my BML, both in Sag. I can definitively say I sacrifice a lot for a partner or person I'm loyal/committed to, whether that's romantic or otherwise. Possibly because of the BML tendencies in that I am really mentally my own person, no matter what anyone wants from me. I know that, so I make a lot of effort and give my full attention when I am with the person- I would do a lot for them, they just have to ask, and I'm 99.9% of the time totally down for it.

So I guess if Valentine is conjunct someone's MC- in this case the composite, so a relationship as a whole's persona to the world, what they want to present to it and what they make their efforts toward/their place in their purpose... I could see them wanting to spread that kind of love. Not on an individual level necessarily (like if it were on the DC), but over all. Maybe in a showy way, or in a way that's very 'out of the house' kind of PDA or really being there for each other in public.

Trine Venus seems nice. Pretty comfy, I'd say. I don't know if I'd attribute a protective kind of energy to Venus or a trine placement, but I could see it happily getting along with how they sacrifice or are committed to one another.

Sextile Jupiter is nice too; lots of potential for big understanding and joyful feelings of commitment and love. Not necessarily there by default, but they might love indulging in it if it comes up- it might feel like 'oh boy, look what I can do for you/with you'.

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Thanks for your interpretations! I find putting Valentine on Midheaven brings our feelings to the surface...like we can't conceal them. I'm just wondering what's the difference between Venus on Midheaven vs Valentine on Midheaven since both are about love. Of course Venus also represents money, creativity etc while Valentine isn't... but just on the "love" bit. Not sure about 'spreading the love'... I don't find us doing that.

posted January 24, 2019 05:55 AM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
Oh, talking about Valentine... I remember asking what it means to have [b]Valentine opposite Valentine + Juno opposite Juno combination in Synastry. Do you know?

Astro keen mentioned on another thread that Valentine-Valentine + Juno-Juno conjunction in synastry is a very rare combination and it creates a strong & intense desire to want to be together. While we don't have the conjunctions, I believe our double oppositions is equally rare and opposition is also a strong aspect inciting action, along with the square. I wonder if this means a push/pull kind of attraction.[/B]

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Hmm. Well what I know of Venus on the MC (at least natally) it makes for someone who is very uncomfortable expressing anything NOT harmonious/'nice' in public, instead opting for avoidance or totally avoiding any issue that might come up until it can be dealt with later (usually in private, but look for where mars is for where the confrontation happens).

Valentine could be more of what you described, the need to show it in public (not necessarily in a show off way, just more aware of it in public space), and perhaps playing the doting roles. Possibly until later realizing maybe they shouldn't have? But that seems more of a negative manifestation. I would say Valentine on the MC would be quite subtle unless directly contacted by more substantial planets.

True yes, that could be. ive experienced Juno/Juno conjunction, but only my Valentine was there. They're was technically unaspecting but in the opposing sign. It's quite potent! Doesn't feel great unless there is other 'glue' aspects in the charts to support it tho.

posted January 25, 2019 01:22 AM            

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Originally posted by implosions:
Hmm. Well what I know of Venus on the MC (at least natally) it makes for someone who is very uncomfortable expressing anything NOT harmonious/'nice' in public, instead opting for avoidance or totally avoiding any issue that might come up until it can be dealt with later (usually in private, but look for where mars is for where the confrontation happens).

Valentine could be more of what you described, the need to show it in public (not necessarily in a show off way, just more aware of it in public space), and perhaps playing the doting roles. Possibly until later realizing maybe they shouldn't have? But that seems more of a negative manifestation. I would say Valentine on the MC would be quite subtle unless directly contacted by more substantial planets.

True yes, that could be. ive experienced Juno/Juno conjunction, but only my Valentine was there. They're was technically unaspecting but in the opposing sign. It's quite potent! Doesn't feel great unless there is other 'glue' aspects in the charts to support it tho.

I'd say the opposition would feel quite push/pull, but like any 'hard aspect' it can be quite an exiting, fiery energy!

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So you have BOTH Juno-Juno + Valentine-Valentine conjunctions, or just Juno-Juno? Astro Keen said you need to have both sets conjunct for it to be a rare combination, not just one. Our Juno-Juno and Valentine-Valentine are both in opposition within 2° which I thought it's quite rare too? And I understand that the opposition is the 2nd most powerful aspect, after the conjunction. It causes 2 energies to continuously work on each other until they achieve wholeness.

posted January 25, 2019 01:25 AM            

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Originally posted by SunAscendant:
I would argue that the composite and davison function the same, so the interpretations for those wouldn't ne different. In synastry I think the Valentine person would feel more of the effect of the aspect it's making to whatever planet. This means that in your Valentine sextile Jupiter aspect we would see this play out in synastry as the Valentine individual finding that they're naturally luckier and happier whenever they're around the Jupiter individual. They (the Valentine person) benefits immensely from the relationship, more so than Jupiter in my humble opinion.

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posted January 25, 2019 02:26 AM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
So you have BOTH Juno-Juno + Valentine-Valentine conjunctions, or just Juno-Juno? Astro Keen said you need to have both sets conjunct for it to be a rare combination, not just one. Our Juno-Juno and Valentine-Valentine are both in opposition within 2° which I thought it's quite rare too? And I understand that the opposition is the 2nd most powerful aspect, after the conjunction. It causes 2 energies to continuously work on each other until they achieve wholeness.

Why do you find Juno-Juno potent but not great?

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posted January 25, 2019 05:06 AM            

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Originally posted by implosions:
Juno-Juno conjunction, but Valentine-Valentine are in opposite signs (not close enough to be aspecting, though), but their Valentine was conjunct my Moon/IC. That's cool about the opposition though

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Valentine conjunct Moon/IC sounds lovely. It's like Venus touching Moon/IC.

posted January 25, 2019 07:32 PM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
Valentine conjunct Moon/IC sounds lovely. It's like Venus touching Moon/IC.

In synastry we have Valentine conjunct Eros. Erotic. Haha..

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posted January 25, 2019 07:36 PM            

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Originally posted by ScoSAg:
I'm also curious about Valentine...in my case, in composite Valentine is conjunct NN and square an Ascendant Jupiter conjunction.

In my natal it's exactly conjunct my ASC so I guess it's important in my personal mythology though I don't know what that aspect says about me.

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Valentine conjunct NN sounds like it would be uncharted territory to explore! However having a square from Jupiter/AC sounds like maybe sometimes you guys might be prone to over-doing it and missing the mark. I don't usually see Jupiter aspects (even hard ones) as necessarily bad, just maybe 'a lot' going on. It's a huge energy.

posted January 27, 2019 06:58 AM            

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Originally posted by implosions:
It was! However they also have Valentine conjunct Nemesis (which was on my Themis/Moon) so it was an interesting placement. Themis and Nemesis were bros in mythology, as when Themis (good council) was ignored, Nemesis would swoop in with divine retribution. Not sure exactly how that played out between us but I sure felt it!

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posted January 27, 2019 04:01 PM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
I don't know anything about Nemesis but the name sounds bad. Haha.. How was the feeling?

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Nemesis was the goddess of divine retribution against hubris (arrogance before the gods). Here's what it says on the wikipedia page for the goddess;

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The word Nemesis originally meant the distributor of fortune, neither good nor bad, simply in due proportion to each according to what was deserved.[citation needed] Later, nemesis came to suggest the resentment caused by any disturbance of this right proportion, the sense of justice that could not allow it to pass unpunished.[citation needed]

O. Gruppe (1906) and others connect the name with "to feel just resentment". From the fourth century onward, Nemesis, as the just balancer of Fortune's chance, could be associated with Tyche.

In the Greek tragedies Nemesis appears chiefly as the avenger of crime and the punisher of hubris, and as such is akin to Atė and the Erinyes. She was sometimes called "Adrasteia", probably meaning "one from whom there is no escape"; her epithet Erinys ("implacable") is specially applied to Demeter and the Phrygian mother goddess, Cybele.

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posted January 28, 2019 12:19 AM            

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Originally posted by implosions:
I've found that in synastry, it can really bring up those kinds of feelings. My Nemesis is in Pisces, and when people's personal planets trigger that, it can be quite fine at times, and then ... feel quite punishing the next, even if I know the other doesn't mean to. But I don't understand Pisces that well on a conscious level as it's in my 12th house, so it is quite subconscious for me. I could guess that maybe my personal planet to someone else's Nemesis, it's a similar feeling, but I think the asteroid person feels it more.

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posted January 29, 2019 12:42 AM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
What does it mean by "feel quite punishing"? Like they're punishing you? I have Mars in 13° Pisces. 😛

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Hm. Hard to describe beyond that, personally, since it's very subconscious. My mother's chiron is quite close though, and often when she shows her wounds or feels them activated, I feel like a horrible, horrible person, even if I may or may not be justified in my actions.