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jane
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posted August 01, 2007 04:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Novile is based on the 9th Harmonic Chart which Vedic Astrologers consider the Marriage Chart. A while ago, I took some notes about this aspect from posts made by Glaucus.

Novile: 40º, 80º (binovile), 160º (quadranovile)
--Brings Joy & Peace
--Feel complete together, a karmic bond, a mystical connection that brings spiritual growth.
--Can indicate marriage, completions, endings. It's that which completes us on a soul level, our "destined unfoldment."
--Brings chemistry which can lead to marriage, a heavy, meaningful partnernship, or tests.
--Charismatic & transcendental.
--9 series. Related to trines and sextiles. Corresponds with fire, mutable, Sag energy.

I'm not sure of the allowed orb in synastry, but since it's a minor aspect the orb is probably pretty narrow. I checked out the novile aspects I have with my bf and we had a lot of 0º aspects.

It's hard to explain, but I really identified with these aspects. I found them so revealing about our relationship. I know it's considered a minor aspect, but our novile aspects are prominent in the way we relate.

Anyway, just wanted to start a thread to discuss this aspect. Feel free to share the noviles you have. If anyone has more information they'd like to share about noviles (particularly how to interpret specific aspects), I'd love to hear it!

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posted August 01, 2007 05:30 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow... very interesting! Is there an easy way to run a chart for this?

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posted August 01, 2007 05:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
GL - if there is, I'm gonna be p*ssed I didn't know about it earlier because I did all that math myself! I had to dust off the ol' abacus and everything.

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lol! Is it something to do with the 9th harmonic charts that you get at astro.com?

Otherwise, looks like I may have to run a synastry chart and work out the aspects myself too. Seems like a looooootttttt of work! Kudos to you for working all of that out yourself!

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posted August 01, 2007 05:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, the novile is based on the 9th harmonic. So a shortcut for finding noviles would be to compare your 9th harmonic charts. You would only want to note conjunctions and oppositions (those are the only ones that would translate into novile aspects).
I don't think it took much longer doing it w/ our natals though. I've done so much synastry that I'm like Rainman now with new aspects. I have a speedy synastry calculator in my head.
Edit: darkdreamer explains further down this page that the orb for conjunctions and oppostions between the two 9H charts is 9º (that'll translate to a 1º and lower novile between the birth charts).

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Ok... cool. I just checked it out, and at a glance, me and my bf's 9th harmonic ascendants (and therefore descendants) are conjunct, with my 9th harmonic Jupiter conjunct DC in what would be the 7th house of the 9th harmonic chart. That sounds good! I need to look at the rest more closely, but that was all that jumped out at me. Thanks for the info!

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posted August 01, 2007 06:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No problem! That AC conjunction is a really good find.

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Jane, you got me interested on those!

And i just thought that Dracos gave me headache...im imagining these ones hihiihih

So,we look for conj/opos in each one of the our charts and our partners and then,calculate wich ones translate in the noviles,right?

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The 9th harmonic chart is referred to as the "Soulmate chart" by several astrologers, who work with harmonics. In the indian astrology it is the most important chart after the birthchart; they always use it as a marriage chart.

A novile with 1° orb in the birthchart would turn up as a conjunction / opposition of 9° in the 9th harmonic chart, so we can apply greater orbs here. But of course it means an aspect of 1° in the 9th harmonics is a novile-aspect with an orb of 1/9th of one degree in the normal chart. So, with an orb of 9° you are fine.


I checked my and his 9th harmonic (of course only for conjunction and oppositions, because those are novile-aspects in the birthcharts:

His Sun opposite my Neptune (2)
His Sun conjunct my SN 0°
His Moon conjunct my Pluto 4°
His Mercury opposite my Venus 5°
His Mercury opposite my Karma 4°
His Venus opposite my Jupiter 4°
His Venus opposite my Chiron 7°
His Mars conjunct my Pluto 4°
His Mars opposite my Neptune 3°
His Mars conjunct my SN 5°
His Jupiter conjunct my Amor 7°
His Saturn conjunct my Destiny 1^°
HIs Neptune conjunct my Destiny 0°
His Pluto opposite my Eros 3°
His Pluto conjunct my Neptune 5°
His Pluto conjunct my Uranus 6°
His Pluto conjunct my NN 5°
His NN conjunct my Sun 5°
His NN conjunct my Mercury 3°
His SN conjunct my Mars 2°
His Chiron conjunct my Eros 7°
His Chiron opposite my Uranus 4°
His Destiny conjunct my Pluto 0°
His Karma conjunct my Psyche 7°
His Amor conjunct my Psyche 5°
His Valentine opposite my Destiny 4°
His Juno opposite my Destiny 3°
His Eros conjunct my Venus 3°
His Eros conjunct my Karma 2°
His Psyche conjunct my Mars 2°
His Psyche opposite my Sun 3°
His Psyche opposite my Mercury 5°
His Isis opposite my Pluto 5°
His Osiris opposite my Venus 8°
His Osiris opposite my Karma 7°
His ASC conjunct my Pluto 1°
His MC conjunct my Amor 1°
His NN conjunct my IC 3°
His Psyche conjunct my IC 5°

I found those doublewhammies of
Sun / Nodes
Mars / Nodes
pretty interesting.

I think I will just count the planets now.

Sun: 2: 2
Moon: 1-0
Mercury: 2-2
Venus: 2-3
Mars: 3-2
Jupiter:1-1
Saturn: 1-0
Uranus:0-2
Neptune:1-3
Pluto:4-5
Nodes: 4-3
ASC: 1-0
IC:1-2

Chiron: 2-1
Karma:1-3
Destiny:1-4
Valentine:1-0
Amor:1-2
Juno:1-0
Eros:2-2
Psyche:3-2

Hm, there seems to be a predominance of Pluto (9 aspects) and the Nodes (7); interesting.
Also quite some aspects (5) with Venus, Mars and Destiny.

WEll, I found an article on soulmates and the 9th harmonic. I`m posting it here.
http://aquarius-atlanta.com/aug04/harmonic.shtml

The Chart of the Soul Mate: the 9th Harmonic
by Cathy H. Burroughs

Fate means that my love for you shall be burnt into the deepest grain of my spirit by the most wonderful encaustic process of despair, hope, intoxicating joy, patience, absence, desperation, and some day – if God is good enough – this picture of a great love shall receive a transparent varnish of happy possession to bring out of its colours and keep them ever fresh. – Byron Caldwell Smith to Kate Stephens, April 2nd, 1875 (from Passionate Love Letters: An Anthology of Desire by Michelle Lovric)

I have long been fascinated by the concept of the Soul Mate, so it was with considerable exhilaration that I learned in an astrology workshop in the early 80's, that in fact, there was an astrological chart which did just this: served as both map and compass to this mysterious region. In this workshop, the brilliant, Florida-based astrologer Delphine Jay, author of Practical Harmonics, first unveiled this miraculous construct: the 9th Harmonic chart.

Covering the 5th, the 7th and the 9th harmonic charts in astrology, Jay revealed, in the course of an all day workshop in Baltimore, MD, these higher vibrational frequency charts. Like a series of photographic magnifications that build with heart-stopping crescendo, ultimately revealing what is at the heart of the matter, as in Antoinini's unforgettable cult film of the 60's, Blowup, these charts function in similar fashion: to reveal that which cannot always be seen.

While all three were absolutely fascinating, the 9th, the higher vibrational frequency of Pluto, was the one that totally mesmerized me. It shows in eloquent mathematical formulation that which completes us on the soul level, or according to Jay, our “destined unfoldment.”

In much the same way that Alice's fall down the rabbit hole gave her access to an allegorical and magical world which mirrored back to its readers the real world, this profound instrument, the 9th Harmonic, reflects our true non-self or destined path, “through parallel symbology*.”

It may come as a surprise, that these contacts between the natal or birth chart, and the 9th harmonic chart, can be found, not only between intimate partners, but also between family members, and even amongst our rosters of most meaningful connections; these may include our cherished dogs or cats, teachers, best friends, or even those whom you may have met only briefly or in passing. I even see relationships that never make it out of the etheric realm, into the realm of day-to-day reality.

Delphine Jay found that she often got more clarity about her husband when she looked at transits to her own 9th Harmonic Chart, than by looking at her husband's actual natal chart. She felt this harmonic demonstrated, in high relief, just how interrelated we actually all are.

Soul Mates/Twin Souls

Of course, the vast number of clients I see regarding their love life want to know about the Soul Mate, and there is an abundance of literature on the subject. Some say there is one true partner; others say we have many Soul Mates, and only one Twin Soul. Others, talk about Soul Families, Kindred Souls, Over Souls and Karmic partnerships.

One who has written in specificity on the subject is the Washington state-based counselor and minister, Robert Detzler, the creator of Spirit Release Therapy and author of Soul Re-Creation. He goes into great depth on the exact formation of the Soul Family.

From Detzler's spiritual research, contrary to popular belief, he has determined we can each have up to nine Twin Flames, and 72 Flame Mates in one's Soul Family. He further talks about Oversouls, Soul Mates, Soul Essences, Siamese Flames, and the addictive energy of Flames. He believes, even of the nine Flame Mates, there is only one true mate in the group. He also adds that even if you are with a Twin Flame, this is no guarantee of the idyllic emotional completeness we all dream. These couplings can, more often than not, provide deeply challenging evolutionary opportunities that carry the past shared and sometimes complicating experiences of many incarnations and dimensions together.

From my own experience and practice, there are a range of relationships that I see frequently. One is the Twin Flame which can be very challenging on the earth plane. It's almost as if this is a higher vibrational frequency relationship that has difficulty functioning in the density of the earth plane. I do also see Soul Mate or partial Soul Mate, even Soul Brother and Soul Sister relationships, where there is a soul connection, and both parties feel it. Sometimes I do see sublimely happy relationships that describe themselves as Soul Mates, but I can count those couples on one hand.

The other type relationship that comes up frequently is a Karmic relationship, which often shows strong Saturn aspects, in its synastry. In these partnerships, we find couples coming together to work through wounds or unresolved past life traumas. The psychologist and creator of Imago Relationship Therapy, Harville Hendrix, writes about the function of intimate relationships to heal childhood, and, I believe, past life, wounds. These relationships, may indeed, also be Soul Mate, Twin Soul or Soul Family partnerships, or Karmic, as well.

I have also seen a final category of relationship where they may not have soul connections or shared past lives, but come together out of a shared compatibility and shared mission. These can be very happy relationships, without the baggage of numerous shared lifetimes, fresh and clear, but not always feeling the depth, or complication of the other types.

How to Use the 9th Harmonic Chart

He who gets wisdom loves his own soul; he who cherishes understanding prospers. Proverbs 19.8

The Harmonic Charts were first written about by the British astrologer John Addey, and encompass fairly sophisticated theories of physics to explain their impact. His approach provides a conceptual basis for how aspects work, and how to look at a chart with the emphasis on one aspect for a deeper underlying meaning.

Delphine Jay's compelling comments on the 9th Harmonic indicate that the 9th is the 3 x 3 fold, representing the holy trinity. This formula brings chemistry which can lead to marriage, a heavy, meaningful partnership or brings the characteristics to test you.

According to Jay, this charts describes by parallel symbology your mate, or if unmarried, what turns you on to your destiny. Either marriage, or learning to live with the not self, serves as an earth test for completion.

The 9th Harmonic is the fruit of the tree: it is both the chart of the soul mate and the chart of the soul itself. Additionally, astrologer Addey, father of harmonics, said the 9th also represents some particular life work towards which you are heading, whether we know it or not.

In this chart, your 9th represents your mate and his or her's, represents you. Ironically, the 7th house of your 9th, also reveals how others see you. It is the “not self” of your own soul chart.

There is a detailed mathematical means for finding these harmonics by hand, but you can also create this chart fairly easily with existing software. It is important to choose an equal house system, as this chart is hypothetical or conceptual in nature. Because of this, it is vital to have the exact birth time, in order to have an accurate chart. Then choose harmonic, and the number nine. It is useful to work with both natal charts, as well as both 9th harmonic charts. You are looking for hits, or exact or nearly exact, conjunctions between the natal and 9th, and the 9th and 9th, of each person respectively.

You may also look for the traditional relationship aspects: sun/moon; mars/venus; 5th and 7th house planets; ascendant and nodal contacts, as well. You may also look at biwheel synastry, composites (the midway point of any two charts that becomes the chart of the relationship), transits, progressions and returns.

These charts are very profound, and actually give you a graphic depiction of your own deepest needs on the soul level. You may also look at the 9th harmonic as your soul itself, with the ascendent or rising sign being your actual umbilical connection or your first connection to life as we know it on this plane.

When you find one exact hit or conjunction, or a number of them, these depict the actual areas of soul connection. Other astrologers believe the 9th Harmonic demonstrates sexuality; while others believe it shows the capacity for joy and living life to the fullest or caring and warmth; still others believe this chart reveals the capacity to disengage in struggle or maintain a spiritually detached relationship to life. It is a general consensus, however, that this chart is particularly pertinent for understanding issues involving love and marriage.

Navamsha Chart or Marriage Chart

Western Astrology is not the only type of astrology that looks to the 9th Harmonic as the chart of the soul mate. In Vedic or Hindu astrology the 9th harmonic has been used for hundreds of years to match people up in holy matrimony in keeping with the Indian tradition of arranged marriage. Often, an astrologer would match up two individuals who both had difficult marriage aspects to try to ameliorate or lighten the karma of the two.

Conclusion

Jay presented the chart of John F. Kennedy as a means of understanding how to see both Jackie Onassis and JFK's destiny in this chart, which you may want to explore to practice the application of this interpretation.

The 9th Harmonic Chart is, after all, a paradox: how indeed can the soul, the soul's path, and the soul mate actually be authentically depicted by an astrological chart? This is a chart, similar to the natal chart, which takes a lifetime of study, of living, and of reflecting to reveal its many facets and dimensions. Do we ever truly know our own soul, our own soul's desire, or for that matter, our own soul mate? This chart pushes the study of astrology to the limit, and over the edge, to where astrology and mysticism co-mingle.

*quoted from Delphine Jay

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posted August 01, 2007 07:48 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It seems you can also compare natal with the 9th chart.

And here goes:

MY NINTH HARMONICS TO HIS NATAL

My Sun conjuncts his natal Neptune (0)
My Mercury conjuncts his natal Neptune (8)
My Mercury conjuncts his natal SN (0)
My Mars opposite his natal Neptune (7)
My Mars conjuncts his natal NN (1)
my Jupiter opposite his natal Valentine (2)
My Jupiter conjuncts his natal Mars (1)
my Jupiter conjuncts his natal Destiny (1)
My Saturn conjuncts his natal Amor (1)
My Juno conjuncts his natal Amor (1)
My Saturn conjuncts his natal Isis (6)
my Juno conjuncts his natal Isis (6)
My Uranus conjuncts his natal IC (0)
My Uranus opposite his natal Venus (1)
my Uranus opposite his natal ERos (6)
My Neptune conjuncts his natal Ceres (0)
My Neptune opposite his natal Sun (0)
My Neptune opposite his natal Eros (6)
my Pluto conjuncts his natla Sun (8)
my Pluto conjuncts his natal Orisis (7)
my Pluto conjuncts his natal Mercury (7)
my NN conjuncts his natal Ceres (1)
my SN conjuncts his natal Sun (1)
my Sun conjuncts his natal ERos (1)
my DSC conjuncts his natal Amor (0)
my DSC conjuncts his natal Isis (5)
my MC conjuncts hsi natal Neptune (8)
my IC conjuncts his natal NN (0)
my Destiny opposite his Jupiter (3)
my Destiny opposite his Karma (3)
my Amor conjuncts his natal ASC (9)
my Amor conjuncts his natal Moon (8)
my Amor conjuncts his natal Valentine /7)
my Eros conjuncts his natla Sun (9)
my ERos conjuncts his natal Eros (3)
my Eros conjuncts his natal Venus (2)
my Eros conjuncts his natal MC (3)

HIS NINTH CHART TO MY NATAL

His Sun conjuncts my natal Venus (4)
His Sun conjuncts my natal Isis (6)
his Sun conjuncts my natal Osiris (´6)
HIs Moon conjuncts my natal Sun (8)
his Moon conjuncts my natal MErcury (8)
his Moon conjuncts my natal Neptune (7)
his Moon conjuncts my natal NN (7)
his Moon opposite my natal Karma (1)
his Mercury opposite my natal Moon (3)
his Mercury opposite my natal Psyche (4)
his Venus opposite my natal Pluto (2)
his Venus conjuncts my natal IC (2)
his Mars conjuncts my natal Sun (0)
his Mars conjuncts my natal Mercury (1)
his Neptune opposite my natal Destiny (5)
his Pluto opposite my natal Venus (0)
- ohoh a DW of Venus opposite Pluto, Jesus!
his Pluto opposite my natal Isis (2)
his Pluto opposite my natal Osiris (2)
his SN conjunct my natal VAlentine (9)
his Amor opposite my natal URanus (1)
his Ceres opposite my natal Venus (6)
his Eros conjuncts my natal Psyche (4) - I do feel a bit weak just now. lol
his Isis conjuncts my natal Karma (0)
his Isis opposite my natal Sun (9)
his Isis opposite my natal Mercury (8)
his Isis opposite my natal Neptune (6)
his Isis conjuncts my natal SN (6)
his Osiris opposite my natal Moon (0)
his ASC conjuncts my natal Sun (5)
his ASC conjuncts my natal Mercury (4)
his DSC conjuncts my natal Karma (4)
his MC conjuncts my natal Chiron (1)


Who is this man?


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posted August 01, 2007 08:13 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
DD,

I GOT confused now , sorry :P

i chose the 9th harmonic charts,but then i only look to the n+ 9,right? And then,look for conj/opositions within 9ºorb in that 9th harmonic between the partners?

And those,would appear as to be the noviles in the natals?

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Diandra,

yes, you go to astro.com, you select "Harmonic chart: day -> harmonic number" and you type in the 9th august, where you usually select the start day for transits, and then you can look at your 9th harmonic chart.

And then you look for conjunctions and oppositions within 9° for the partners in bo th 9th harmonics. Those would appear as 1° orbed aspects of the novile series (novile, binovile but also trine for example) in the birthchart and synastry.

I think this wouldn`t work the same way with the comparision of 9th harmonic and birthchart. I have to reread that article.
However I think that aspects in the 9th harmonic chart with a very tight orb may be the most significant ones, because they are the exactest; WE are talking seconds and minutes here, not degrees!
So 1° in the 9th harmonics would appear as an aspect with approximately 0°06 of orb.

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Thankx DD

i gotta see that next Monday!
Till then i´ll be at the beach

Kiss

Stay well

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So apart from synastry, if the 9th chart is the chart of my soul, then my soul has:


ASC in Gemini
Sun in Scorpio
Moon in Pisces
Mercury in Scorpio
Venus in Aquarius
Mars in Taurus
NN on 1° Cancer (which looks like a prominent placement)
MC in Scorpio


The most interesting aspects are:

Saturn and Juno conjunct Descendant in Sag (0)
Sun, MErcury, MC conjunction in SCorpio (8 / 0)
Mars conjunct IC in Taurus (1)
Moon conjunct Osiris and Valentine in Pisces (6 / 3)
Venus conjunct Karma in Aquarius (1)
Neptune conjunct NN in Cancer (1) - the same as in the birthchart - I don`t get rid of it. *sighs*
SN conjunct Eros in Capricorn(8)
Chiron conjunct Ceres in Virgo - Libra(5)
Chiron on 00° Libra looks pretty strained, too.

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DD! iM Almost asleep but i didnt rest untill i made at least one comparison in our 9th Harmonic Charts!~
I think ive found some very powerful and interesting connections between me and Jonnhy, what do you think of these, some seem great dont they?But what can we conclude,concerning how Vedic/Indian look at the SM Charts,concerning marriage and Love?

Between the 9th Harmonic

My sun conjunct his Isis( 0) ļ
My sun oposes his Venus(1) ļ
My Moon oposes his Merc(4)
My Merc conj his Jup(7)
My merc oposes his Eros(1)
My Venus conj his Juno(4)
My Venus oposes his 12thCusp/
My mars conj his 11thCusp(1)/oposes5thCusp
My Mars oposes his Psyche(7)
My Jupiter conj his Saturn(1), his Uranus(9)
My Saturn conj his 11thcusp(3)
My Saturn oposes his Psyche(9)
My Uranus conj his Mars(9), Pluto(8) his Amor(4),
My Uranus oposes his Sun(4), his Neptune(7), his PF(9),
My Neptune conj his Sun(8),PF(2),
My Neptune oposes his Mars(3), Pluto(4),
My Pluto conj his 12thCusp(3)
My True Node conj his Uranus(8),Eros(3), ļ
My True Node oposes his Jup(4)
My Kiron oposes his Saturn(1)
My PF conj his Saturn(9), Uranus(1),
My PF oposes his Jup(4)
My Vertex conj his Vertex(9), MC(2)
My vertex oposes his Valentine(6), Osiris(1),
My Juno conj his Valentine(3), Osiris(2), ļ
My Juno oposes his MC(1)
My Amor conj his Sun(1), PF(7), ļ
My Amor opposes his Mars(4), Pluto(5),
My Eros conj his Jup(1),
My Eros oposes his Uranus(3),
My Valentine conj his 11thCusp(2)/conjunct5thCusp ļ
My Valentine oposes his Psyche(8),
MY Psyche conj his Juno(5),
My Isis oposes his Juno(4)
My Osiris conj his Satunr(6),
My Destiny oposes his NN(3), Kiron(5), Destiny(7),
My AC conj his Sun( 2), PF(7),
My AC oposes his Mars(7), Pluto(6),
My MC conj his Venus(0),
My MC oposes his Isis(1),
My 12thCusp oposes his NN(5)

Tomorrow im gonna look at yours and see what i find most important!

Kiss

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ok..now im goin to sleep!!!

His to Mine

My Ceres conj his Moon(4)
JOHN

Sun conj my Neptune( 8), ļ
Moon conj my Destiny (9), ļ
Merc oppose my Moon(3),
Venus conj my MC(0) ļ
Venus oposes my Sun( 1) ¡V the other aspect I shared is mistaken.this is the unike venus-sun aspect between us :P
Mars oposes my Neptune(3),
Jupiter conj my Eros(1),
Jupiter oposes my NN(6),Osiris(8),
Saturn oposes my Kiron(1)
Uranus conj my Jup(9), NN(2),Osiris(4),3rdCusp(8)
Uranus oposes my 9thCusp(8), Eros(1)
Neptune conj my Asc(9), ļ
Neptune oposes my Uranus/7),
Pluto oposes his Neptune(4),
NN conj my 6thCusp(4)
NN oposes my 12thCusp(5), ļ
Kiron oposes my Ceres(1),
PF conj my Neptune(3),
Vertex conj my Vertex(9),
Vertex oposes my Juno(6)
Ceres conj my Jup(3), 3rdCusp(3)
Ceres oposes my Kiron(5),9thCusp(3)
Amor conj my Uranus(4), DC(6)
Eros conj my Mean N(4),
Eros oposes my Eros(7) ļ
Valentine conj my Juno(3),
Valentine oposes my Vertex(6)
Psyche conj my 8thCusp(3)
Psych oposes my 2ndCusp(2),
Isis conj my Sun(0), ( my IC conj his Isis in 1orb),
Osiris oposes my Vertex(1)
AC conj my Destiny(4),
MC ocnj my Vertex(2),
11thCusp conj my 2ndCusp(9);
12thCusp conj my Isis(10¡K)

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darkdreamer - Thanks for explaining what orbs to use when comparing 9th Harmonic charts. (Edit: I asked a question here, but figured out the answer. But that won't stop me from asking you another question. ) Do you know what orb trines in our birthchart synastry would translate into 9th Harmonic conjunctions/oppositions?

I'm not surprised at all to see all the noviles you share with the sm actor. And how fitting that there'd be so many Pluto and Node aspects.

diandra - Hope you're having/had a wonderful time at the beach!

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posted August 03, 2007 01:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here's my 9th chart:

Very interesting!

Is it right that my MC is in my 4th house?

I'm surprised by my water grand trine, and my kite. My girlfriend has an earth grand trine also in the early degrees in her 9th harmonic.

quote:
Ironically, the 7th house of your 9th, also reveals how others see you.

People see me as an Aries? Really?

Her 9th hmnc Neptune is conjunct my natal Sun

She has got a massive conjunction in Gemini in her 9th harmonic. Her MC, Mars, Uranus, and Moon are all at 24 and 25 degrees Gemini. They're making an 8 degree trine to Venus in Libra.

Anyways... interesting stuff. I have to contemplate my 9th harmonic. I see a ton of creative potential there in the kite and t-square.

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AG - I read somewhere (it may have been in that article darkdreamer posted) that you should only use the equal house system with your 9th. When you do that, you'll notice that your house cusps will be in only 4 signs. Since your 9th's Asc is Libra, I guess it'll be all the cardinal signs.

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Explain why the cusps would only be in 4 houses. I don't understand that, especially with the article suggesting that the 7th house is how people see you.

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I don't get it either. They say it's a conceptual chart. Apparently I don't get the concept.
There will be all 12 houses, but only 4 signs will be listed on the house cusps. I have Leo on the 1st, 5th, and 9th. Taurus on the 2nd, 6th, and 10th. Aquarius on the 3rd, 7th, and 11th. And Scorpio on the 4th, 8th, and 12th.
But the picture of the chart itself still shows all the signs encircling it. I guess this concept doesn't make for a corresponding visual.

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Here's my soul. And none of you even had to buy me dinner first.
Edit: Turns out my soul is enormous and I'm too crap at computers to figure out how to get it smaller. But here are my placements:

AC - 16 Leo
Sun - 0º01' Virgo
Moon - 23 Libra
Mercury - 25 Aquarius
Venus - 0 Taurus
Mas - 10 Pisces
Jupiter - 27 Pisces
Saturn - 26 Leo
Uranus - 25 Cap
Neptune - 0 Libra
Pluto - 10 Aries
Chiron - 29 Pisces
Mean Node - 27 Cap
True Node - 21 Cap
MC - 18 Cancer

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posted August 03, 2007 02:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
AG - I just noticed that you have your Venus in Cancer and I remember you mentioning that you're often attracted to Cancers. My Venus is in Taurus and that's the sign I'm usually attracted to. I wonder if other people also have such an appropriately placed Venus.

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Well, for future reference the free Astrolog program can isolate aspects [you can go in and change the orb and the angle and how much influence you want it to have in the "final analysis" -- as in the list it gives of the strength of the aspects]. Under Setting > Aspect Settings.

http://www.astrolog.org/astrolog.htm

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Hi all,

this will be only a short, incomplete reply.


Orbs:
A trine with 1° orb in your birthchart, will appear as a conjunction of 9° in your 9th harmonic chart.


Houses:
You`d have to use equal houses for this chart (as the Vedic / Indian astrologers always do). Apparently astro.com doesn`t manage to do this properly with this chart. But you can do it on your own.
Every house contains 30°, so, my ASC is in 3° Gemini, my Desc then is from 3° Sagittarius - 3° Capricorn, which means my 7th house in the natal chart contains Saturn, Juno and Pluto. *deep sigh*
Add to that A Moon in Pisces on the 10th equal housecusp, a Venus-Karma-conjunction and Chiron conjunct the 5th housecusp and yoiu get a fine mess.
Oh and yes, the MC can fall in every possible house.

But one thought,t he Indians work with the 9th harmonic extensively, but their system is different from ours; they only use the sidereal system.
There are also Western astrologers who use the harmonics, but they only look to aspect patterns (the 9th harmonics just helps to see the 9th series pattern better, it`s easier than counting all the noviles, sextiles, binoviles and trine in the birthchart).

So I guess, we`re mixing up different systems a little bit here.
Still all astrologers seem to agree in the "karmic" flavour of the 9th chart.

DD

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