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Marandana
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posted March 24, 2019 10:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marandana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello everybody.

I met this man 2 years ago, he's a a scorpio, the first scorpio in my life as love interest and he blew me away. It was love at first sight, I knew it, he knew it, even his friends knew it cause they even told me once "He keeps talking about you all day" and i could actually feel he really liked me like never before. We broke up cause he had to go back to his home country and our relationship didn't survive the distance. After 2 months of long distance relationship we stopped talking after I didn't answer to his messages cause I was a little mad with him at that time. He never wrote me back.

But I can honestly say, after 2 years, I've dated some other guys, but I still have the strong feeling that I'll never meet someone like him again, someone who could make me feel that way, of course I tried to move on but didn't find the same connection, mentally, emotionally and sexually in no one else. And also, I have never felt more liked by someone like I felt from him. I have the strong feeling that he was the one for me

And.. he just contact me 2 weeks ago, I'm not gonna lie, it doesn't feel like before, I feel like we have to make an extra effort to build again the connection but it still makes me happy to talk with him again. But the bad news I received today was that all his friends are coming back to my country next month except him cause he has a new job. I didn't tell him but I bursted to tears when he told me he wasnt able to come. I was expecting that to happen and even praying to god to bring him back to me and now he canīt. I'm really really sad. I don't know what to expect or what to do. If keep holding onto this or let it go. Last year I was saving money to visit him in his country (even though we were in our 2 year break) but at the end of the year I discovered all my saving money was stolen from me (it was another pain in the heart, but I won't talk about it right now) So really I prayed for him to be back back, I wanted so bad to see him again but seems like life is getting in our way.

I also wrote this for therapeutic reasons, cause nobody wants to listen to me right now.

Either way, If you want to help me, I'd love to read your opinions about synastry and composite. Just to know how this look to the external eyes. Thank you.

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posted March 24, 2019 10:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marandana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Synastry, I'm blue he's red.

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posted March 24, 2019 11:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stoika7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Marandana:
Hello everybody.

I met this man 2 years ago, he's a a scorpio, the first scorpio in my life as love interest and he blew me away. It was love at first sight, I knew it, he knew it, even his friends knew it cause they even told me once "He keeps talking about you all day" and i could actually feel he really liked me like never before. We broke up cause he had to go back to his home country and our relationship didn't survive the distance. After 2 months of long distance relationship we stopped talking after I didn't answer to his messages cause I was a little mad with him at that time. He never wrote me back.

But I can honestly say, after 2 years, I've dated some other guys, but I still have the strong feeling that I'll never meet someone like him again, someone who could make me feel that way, of course I tried to move on but didn't find the same connection, mentally, emotionally and sexually in no one else. And also, I have never felt more liked by someone like I felt from him. I have the strong feeling that he was the one for me

And.. he just contact me 2 weeks ago, I'm not gonna lie, it doesn't feel like before, I feel like we have to make an extra effort to build again the connection but it still makes me happy to talk about him again. But the bad news I received today was that all his friends are coming back to my country next month except him cause he has a new job. I didn't teel him but I bursted to tears when he told me he wasnt able to come. I was expecting that to happen and even praying to god to bring him back to me and now he canīt. I'm really really sad. I don't know what to expect or what to do. If keep holding onto this or let it go. Last year I was saving money to visit him in his country (even though we were in our 2 year break) but at the end of the year I discovered all my saving money was stolen from me (it was another pain in the heart, but I won't talk about it right now) So really I prayed for him to be back back, I wanted so bad to see him again but seems like life is getting in our way.

I also wrote this for therapeutic reasons, cause nobody wants to listen to me right now.

Either way, If you want to help me, I'd love to read your opinions about synastry and composite. Just to know how this look to the external eyes. Thank you.


It looks like a "Chiron" type of relationship, in synastry 8th, involving Pluto in 12th and Neptune, a very Plutonian relationship indeed. Neptune is heavy also in the composite, with Pluto in 12th squaring NN and Chiron conjunct Moon and Jupiter in 8th, so again plutonian. I see a big karmic challenge here. The Moon/Jupiter conjunct Chiron is opposite Uranus. This might suggest the painful separation and distance, and a "skipped step", or lost chance, and since Saturn is opposite Moon together with Neptune, I can see how painful it is. Plus, Saturn/Uranus conjunct Neptune sextile Pluto square NN makes it all almost impossible to let it go. The ruler in 12th house is also a very intense aspect that makes it all feel "fated", the feeling that "he was the one" and the fear to have lost the chance... Actually, his personal Sun and Pluto are in the 12th too. This gives me the feeling that he's someone who needs to learn to "let it go".
Composite Sun, Venus, Mercury stellium in the second, conjunct Saturn and Neptune give me the feeling that the relationship didn't express its true potential, as if it deserved to receive more value from both of you, even though there was serious committment and an intense bond, cause Uranus opposite Moon and Jupiter conjunct Neptune sextile Pluto square NN made it all fall apart somehow... I think the positive aspect is Chiron, in 8th again, which might help give a true value to the relationship (Chiron trine Pluto in 12th), by looking at it as a way to deal with the reality of the actual situation and balance your emotional expectations. Since the Composite NN is in third house, maybe a communication effort between the two is still worth trying.

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posted March 25, 2019 12:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Brenda_S     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey I like your observation @Stoika7. Can I bother you to take a look at a composite chart of mine? (I'll create a separate post for it if so)

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posted March 25, 2019 06:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stoika7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Hey I like your observation @Stoika7. Can I bother you to take a look at a composite chart of mine? (I'll create a separate post for it if so)

Of course, go ahead :-)

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posted March 25, 2019 09:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marandana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you for your time Stoika,

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Originally posted by Stoika7:
I see a big karmic challenge here. The Moon/Jupiter conjunct Chiron is opposite Uranus. This might suggest the painful separation and distance, and a "skipped step", or lost chance, and since Saturn is opposite Moon together with Neptune, I can see how painful it is.

I'm so tired of karmic relationships already, my ex ,the guy I dated before him, was also a super painful karmic relationship as well. Very plutonian too that drained me even more than this, cause with this relationship is not that painful love, is more like a longing for something that could've been great. Exactly what you said "the lost chance"


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Plus, Saturn/Uranus conjunct Neptune sextile Pluto square NN makes it all almost impossible to let it go.

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Actually, his personal Sun and Pluto are in the 12th too. This gives me the feeling that he's someone who needs to learn to "let it go".

In this one I'm not really sure. He's a gemini moon. I think moving on is easier for him... that's what it seems.

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Composite Sun, Venus, Mercury stellium in the second, conjunct Saturn and Neptune give me the feeling that the relationship didn't express its true potential, as if it deserved to receive more value from both of you, even though there was serious committment and an intense bond, cause Uranus opposite Moon and Jupiter conjunct Neptune sextile Pluto square NN made it all fall apart somehow...

THIS!!! That's exactly how I look at it. Like we had a lot to live, a lot to experience, a lot to feel and then everything fell apart. The breakup was due to miscommunication. Nothing worse, no indelifity, no cheating, no emotional abuse. Just miscommunication froma day to another.

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I think the positive aspect is Chiron, in 8th again, which might help give a true value to the relationship (Chiron trine Pluto in 12th) by looking at it as a way to deal with the reality of the actual situation and balance your emotional expectations. Since the Composite NN is in third house, maybe a communication effort between the two is still worth trying.

I really need that too. Balance my expectation in all senses. I'm a pisces so its easy for me to build castles in the air as well. But... do you think working in our communication will get things better? Does it have potential? For me it does, but I don't know if it's another castle in the air...I hope not.

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posted March 25, 2019 10:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stoika7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
His Moon is Gemini, but he's still a Scorpio with Pluto in Scorpio :-) And since his Chiron (Cancer) is in the 8th, even though he's able to detach for practical or professional reasons (Venus, Saturn and Neptune in 2th) it might be painful for him.

Your Chiron in 9th trines Mercury which trines Neptune (in 3th) which trines Pluto (in the 1st) and your NN in 4th house squares Pluto (which also rules your ASC). This is maybe why you have such karmic painful relationships having to do with your "higher mind" development (Chiron in 9th) and communication (Mercury trines Neptune in the 3th).
In this relationship I agree, it has to do more with a lost chance (Pluto in 12th house) and miscommunication (NN in 3th square Pluto). But being the NNode sextile Mars (Composite 1st house) plus Mercury conjunctions and opposition to Chiron, and being the stellium in 2nd house (Composite true value), I believe that the communication issue and effort is the key.
Aww, sorry if it's so tangled, lol
So, the NN/Pluto square, given the NN in the 3rd, suggests me that the communication effort is worth, since Pluto is always a powerful energy enhancing whatever it touches and cause Pluto/8th is a major theme of the relationship and also sextile the stellium, Jupiter and the Neptune conjunctions.
Besides building castles in the air (not always, I think, since your Neptune is in Capricorn, but you can idealize a lot, being Neptune in third house, Mercury in Piesces and NN in Aquarius), the composite looks very powerful to me. The Uranus oppositions can pose the "on and off" situation and detachment, but being also on Jupiter it can give surprisingly new energies though. Since Jupiter conjunct Moon/conjunct Chiron is also opposite Saturn and Uranus, there is certainly something to learn from the situation, on a personal level for both, either/or to overcome and make it work or letting go.
I have the feeling that it all is somehow a "make it or break it" situation......

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posted March 27, 2019 10:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marandana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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His Moon is Gemini, but he's still a Scorpio with Pluto in Scorpio :-) And since his Chiron (Cancer) is in the 8th, even though he's able to detach for practical or professional reasons (Venus, Saturn and Neptune in 2th) it might be painful for him.

But these last days that I'm talking to him, I can feel his gemini moon making it's appareance, cause he seems so detached from the fact that all his friends are coming but him to visit me. Which I find weird... I mean, I don't know if that behaviour is because of his light-hearted and detached gemini moon or because he actually doesn't have any urge to see me again. Now I feel like I'm the one who really needs to see him and he's like "whatever"

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Your Chiron in 9th trines Mercury which trines Neptune (in 3th) which trines Pluto (in the 1st) and your NN in 4th house squares Pluto (which also rules your ASC). This is maybe why you have such karmic painful relationships having to do with your "higher mind" development (Chiron in 9th) and communication (Mercury trines Neptune in the 3th).

I'm waiting for the day I won't be hurting by a karmic relationship I'm really tired of always letting go.

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In this relationship I agree, it has to do more with a lost chance (Pluto in 12th house) and miscommunication (NN in 3th square Pluto). But being the NNode sextile Mars (Composite 1st house) plus Mercury conjunctions and opposition to Chiron, and being the stellium in 2nd house (Composite true value), I believe that the communication issue and effort is the key.
Aww, sorry if it's so tangled, lol
So, the NN/Pluto square, given the NN in the 3rd, suggests me that the communication effort is worth, since Pluto is always a powerful energy enhancing whatever it touches and cause Pluto/8th is a major theme of the relationship and also sextile the stellium, Jupiter and the Neptune conjunctions.

I actually tried today to get better in my communication with him, I can totally tell you that it did get better. But I'm so afraid of doing or saying something that will blow out again. Cause I really want to make this work, somehow.

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I have the feeling that it all is somehow a "make it or break it" situation......

I have the same feeling, that's why this whole situtation makes me anxious, it's like a bomb...if you cut the wrong wire... it's done.

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posted March 27, 2019 10:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ballerina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Our thoughts create our reality."
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posted March 28, 2019 12:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marandana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ballerina:
"Our thoughts create our reality."
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I don't know how to take that haha

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posted March 28, 2019 12:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stoika7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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But these last days that I'm talking to him, I can feel his gemini moon making it's appareance, cause he seems so detached from the fact that all his friends are coming but him to visit me. Which I find weird... I mean, I don't know if that behaviour is because of his light-hearted and detached gemini moon or because he actually doesn't have any urge to see me again. Now I feel like I'm the one who really needs to see him and he's like "whatever"


Well, yes, his gemini Moon can appear like that, and also his Sagittarius ASC, and given that his Chiron in 8th he might be very cautious about relationships and afraid of being hurt, so maybe he somehow needs to appear like that?

The Comp. Pluto NN square in the 3rd, Comp. Mercury opposite Moon and his Mercury in Scorpio/12th might certainly feel like you're walking on eggshells in a minefield in the communication area... but you, having Chiron in 9th, might really need to give it a try. Bear in mind that his Saturn is Capricorn and 2nd house together with his Sun in the twelve, so he might take long to make up his mind for decision making, see things clearer and be optimistic.

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posted April 20, 2019 08:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marandana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm back just to tell that we defenitely broke up today, well... I did it. I decided to block him from my social media, we could never talk about the situation properly, cause I feel he was never available for me, he constantly left me on read, answered my messages after days and days, he called me yesterday but I missed the call then I texted him to know the reason of his call, but he never answered me. As we could see here, it was a communication issue and I never found the correct way to sort that out. I was so so drained and so tired of his games so I decided to end everthing today. I'm sad, really sad, cause I feel he's never coming back again. It's so hard to let go

Since he's a scorpio sun and I'm a rising, I blame it on the full moon libra for this breakup

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posted April 20, 2019 11:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stoika7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I'm back just to tell that we defenitely broke up today, well... I did it. I decided to block him from my social media, we could never talk about the situation properly, cause I feel he was never available for me, he constantly left me on read, answered my messages after days and days, he called me yesterday but I missed the call then I texted him to know the reason of his called but he never answered me. As we could see here, it was a communication issue and I never found the correct way to sort that out. I was so so drained and so tired of his games so I decided to end everthing today. I'm sad, really sad, cause I feel he's never coming back again. It's so hard to let go

Since he's a scorpio sun and I'm a rising, I blame it on the full moon libra for this breakup


So sorry to hear this :-(
Actually, transit retrograde Pluto is conjunct your Composite Mercury opposite Comp. Moon, but also transit Uranus opposite Comp. ASC...AND transit Mercury square to the Comp. Stellium almost exact to Neptune... :-( :-(
After the first week of May, transit Mercury will be trine to the Comp. stellium though, and transit NN/Moon will be conjunct Comp. Moon, so maybe you might hear from him again... Transit Saturn/Pluto are still conjunct the Comp. stellium though opposite Moon, so this is putting a burden to it...
Btw, if he acted like that, I support your being straightforward about this. Give me updates if there are any, and if you like....

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posted April 22, 2019 05:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marandana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you Stoika, you're an angel.
I'll let you know if there's any change in the situation, but my hopes are low

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posted April 23, 2019 04:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I realised with Saturn hard aspects in composite, there's always some kinda blockage/restrictions/reluctance especially at the beginning.

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posted April 23, 2019 09:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marandana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I realised with Saturn hard aspects in composite, there's always some kinda blockage/restrictions/reluctance especially at the beginning.

What is weird here is that in the beginning everything was okay... it has been 2 years since I met him, we just lasted 3 months (1 physically present and 2 months of long distance relationship) and then it fell apart. In these 2 years of separation he has made some contact again but rarely, like once every 6-8 months, and just like this time, we try to make the connection work again but since the breakup we haven't found the right way to repair it.

But when it was good, I mean, our 3 month relationship was the best. The sad thing also is that all my relationships so far haven't lasted more than 3 months. Everytime I find that saturn thing in my composites and I'm really tired by now. Can Saturn be overcome?

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posted April 23, 2019 11:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Saturn restrictions may not always appear at the beginning. Issues can also appear midway, like your situation. Saturn-Sun: you usually see circumstantial problems that force you to take up responsibility. Saturn-Moon: lack of emotional connection like a power outage. Saturn-Venus: restraining of love & affection. Saturn-Mercury: censoring of thoughts & communication. Saturn-Mars: restrictions to drive & desire.

I believe Saturn can be managed, especially if both parties are also Saturn-heavy and are determined to be together.

That Cancer Moon with Chiron in 8H looks intense. There's almost a compulsive need to connect deeply in order to feel secure and it's frustrated by Saturn/Uranus oppositions. The Moon may also find the Capricorn Sun too "cold".

You also have Neptune with the stellium. The relationship would have felt perfect/ideal like you've found Mr Right (esp. with the love stellium!) but because it feels so perfect, disappointments can also be great. Right now Neptune is transiting your Sun/Mercury in Pisces... it's especially affecting you. I understand this because Neptune is squaring my Moon now and I've been feeling like I'm chasing after a lost cause.

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posted April 29, 2019 09:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marandana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Stoika and everybody. I'm bringing a new little update...
I'm gonna write as therapy once again...

Me and a friend hanged out last friday with his friends cause as I told before, they booked a trip to my country. I had so much fun with his friends, they're amazing and fun people but of course, I missed him like crazy. Almost at the end of the night one of his friends told me: "he says that I have to take a picture with you and take care of you" I was like so sentimental after hearing that. He's so scorpio I can tell, cause his friends were reporting everything that happened at our night out to him by text message in real time. I knew this cause on sunday morning he messaged me, even though he was blocked, he found a way to contact me again and he told me a lot of details of that night out with his friends and then he told me he was texting them all the time to see how we were doing. Scorpio Behaviour, huh? When he asked me why I blocked him, I talked about the way he makes me feel and he talked about his feelings too. He told me he loves me and that he finds me beautiful in and out, but "don't know exactly the purpose of why he contacted me, the only thing he knows is that he is looking forward to see me sometime in the future and wants to talk to me". At least I know that now.

After knowing he still got feelings for me, I'm a bit more at ease than before, I unblocked him from social media but still, I have a little feeling that we still have some things to deal before being together. All my friends tell me to let him go, but his friends actually root for us. It's complicated. Of course I still think he's the one for me, I just have that strong feeling and I don't know if it's because of my feelings for him or because it actually is a gut feeling. Saturn Rx makes me SO nervous and afraid... cause he actually contacted me again just one day before Saturn going Rx, I don't want it to break everything off
But also, I'm trying this time to stop trying to control things and just let it be.

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posted April 29, 2019 10:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stoika7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Hey Stoika and everybody. I'm bringing a new little update...
I'm gonna write as therapy once again...

Me and a friend hanged out last friday with his friends cause as I told before, they booked a trip to my country. I had so much fun with his friends, they're amazing and fun people but of course, I missed him like crazy. Almost at the end of the night one of his friends told me: "he says that I have to take a picture with you and take care of you" I was like so sentimental after hearing that. He's so scorpio I can tell, cause his friends were reporting everything that happened at our night out to him by text message in real time. I knew this cause on sunday morning he messaged me, even though he was blocked, he found a way to contact me again and he told me a lot of details of that night out with his friends and then he told me he was texting them all the time to see how we were doing. Scorpio Behaviour, huh? When he asked me why I blocked him, I talked about the way he makes me feel and he talked about his feelings too. He told me he loves me and that he finds me beautiful in and out, but "don't know exactly the purpose of why he contacted me, the only thing he knows is that he is looking forward to see me sometime in the future and wants to talk to me". At least I know that now.

After knowing he still got feelings for me, I'm a bit more at ease than before, I unblocked him from social media but still, I have a little feeling that we still have some things to deal before being together. All my friends tell me to let him go, but his friends actually root for us. It's complicated. Of course I still think he's the one for me, I just have that strong feeling and I don't know if it's because of my feelings for him or because it actually is a gut feeling. Saturn Rx makes me SO nervous and afraid... cause he actually contacted me again just one day before Saturn going Rx, I don't want it to break everything off
But also, I'm trying this time to stop trying to control things and just let it be.


:-)
Transit Mercury was quicker than how imagined! But we also have Pluto retrograde these days, I wonder how this has affected you...
Btw, your Composite Saturn is quite binding.
He is a "neptunian" Scorpio (Sun/Pluto in 12th house, Sagittarius ASC) and his natal Neptune/Saturn in 2nd house opposite natal Chiron in 8th give him a lot of intense romantic feelings but a lot a insecurity at the same time. Your Composite chart ruler Pluto is also in 12th house, trine Moon/Jupiter/Chiron and sextile the stellium/Neptune. You with your Sun in Piesces are also neptunian and your natal chart ruler Pluto falls in his 12th house...
So the main theme of your relationship is Pluto/Neptune (8th and 12th house), the first one is all about "control", the second one is about "letting go"! But this all again is deeply binding beyond time and space...
I think that Jupiter in 8th house trine Pluto is supporting your relationship somehow. It's great that he told you he wants to see you again and talk (I suspect he was jelous of his friends hanging out with you, lol) :-)
You know, twelve house is also the house of dreams, and Pluto is the house of the power... I know someone who once said "A winner is a dreamer who never gives up" :-)
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