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Brenda_S
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posted March 25, 2019 10:31 PM
  
Hey, thanks so much first...I promised myself to not brood on this lol. AKA not look at charts of the both of us anymore... Doesn't seem to work out too well. Oh well. I'm attaching 2 composite charts, one of which I kept the orbs at 4 degrees since it's a midpoint chart... To clean it up a bit I guess. But I attached both of them. For the synastry, I'm the inside... It would probably help if I give you a bit of a back story? Honestly I just don't feel like talking about it anymore lol I've babbled about it enough on here, at this point I'm just done. Do you think you can give me insight just based on this though or should I give you a summary?    IP: Logged |
Stoika7
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posted March 26, 2019 04:53 AM
So are we talking about two different relationships, right?
It doesn't matter that you tell me thw story, just let me know what exactly you wish to understand, if there is a particular question... obviously, the less I know, the less I can be accurate and I can just give a more generalized interpretation...
Just give me a little time to check and figure it all out :-) IP: Logged |
Stoika7
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posted March 26, 2019 04:53 AM
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Originally posted by Stoika7:
So are we talking about two different relationships, right?
It doesn't matter that you tell me the story, just let me know what exactly you wish to understand, if there is a particular question... obviously, the less I know, the less I can be accurate and I can just give a more generalized interpretation...
Just give me a little time to check and figure it all out :-)
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Stoika7
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posted March 26, 2019 04:57 AM
Oh, OK, now I got it ! Sorry for the confusion about the charts... LOL
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Brenda_S
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posted March 26, 2019 06:25 AM
Thanks so much! Yeah it's the same chart. This is the one with the Grand Cross BTW. And as far as the houses it sits in... yeah it sucks a bit. Sits in the Cardinal houses 1/4/7/10. I guess I don't really know my question. Till now I thought it's the Uranus contacts that's the issue... Now I'm seeing the Grand Cross and like whew. Besides, probably Saturn in the seventh itself would pose an issue regardless? Dunno what to think of it. Like I hate to ask questions about it lol I just wanna not think about it anymore, and asking obviously just spirals me down in that same drain again. But I'm gonna ask anyway. I'm curious I guess how he feels about all this. IP: Logged |
Stoika7
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posted March 26, 2019 08:03 PM
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Originally posted by Brenda_S:
Thanks so much! Yeah it's the same chart. This is the one with the Grand Cross BTW. And as far as the houses it sits in... yeah it sucks a bit. Sits in the Cardinal houses 1/4/7/10. I guess I don't really know my question. Till now I thought it's the Uranus contacts that's the issue... Now I'm seeing the Grand Cross and like whew. Besides, probably Saturn in the seventh itself would pose an issue regardless? Dunno what to think of it. Like I hate to ask questions about it lol I just wanna not think about it anymore, and asking obviously just spirals me down in that same drain again. But I'm gonna ask anyway. I'm curious I guess how he feels about all this.
Comp Saturn in 7th might pose a burden or feelings of obligation, if bad aspected it can point to resentment. In this case, Comp. Saturn trine Moon sextile Chiron (in the 1st) BUT it also squares Pluto and NN (in 4th) which both square Chiron in turn. Together with Venus/Pluto opposition square Chiron..... It looks like a "Chiron" relationship, especially for the Comp Chiron house (1st), but also from your Chiron aspects in synastry (and natal).
I have been wondering what brought you together in the first place. Maybe some shared "higher mind" path which at first seemed to bring you to support each others or one of you to support the other. Maybe mostly the latter case. There is a sense of obligation relating to taking care of one of the two, but, unluckily, I see also resentment, anger and even potential (or actual?) abuse (which might be just psychological, not necessarily physical...) and I see a pattern of unresolved issues which are linked to their personal past unresolved issues, especially in your case linked to a family or childhood situation. I mean that it looks like a relationship which triggered old past wounds by trying to find support for that resolution via the relationship but that made it all more painful instead. In this dynamic, Uranus came as a definitive destroyer, making it all unbalanced.
The Composite Grand Cross sits on mutable signs and it calls for balance and dignity, especially in the communication area.
I do have a question, was there a shared financial or health interest involved? And/or a family issue that came into play? Just guessing... By the way, I feel the Comp. Chiron aspect is the most painful here, and together with the Comp. NN square Saturn in 7th it all posed a huge burden which might be still binding and hard to let go.
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Brenda_S
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posted March 26, 2019 08:39 PM
"and I see a pattern of unresolved issues which are linked to their personal past unresolved issues, especially in your case linked to a family or childhood situation. I mean that it looks like a relationship which triggered old past wounds by trying to find support for that resolution via the relationship but that made it all more painful instead."I'm curious how you got to this? Like the aspects involved... And does it include any natal to composite overlays? It's interesting that he always wanted me to talk to him about my 'stuff'. Like regardless of what happened, he was like 'if you ever need me I'm right here' and stuff like that. I thought that must be his Pisces placements. Which would make him act this way to everyone probably? But I never allowed myself to reveal anything lol and I feel that left him wanting to some extent. He never came on strong about it, but was always trying to hint at me to talk to him. He's probably that way with everyone though. He just gets a kick out of it lol. But that's not the reason I want him in my life, like he never actually took part in that aspect of my life, like I haven't allowed it to go that route. I just genuinely like him as a person. (But I'd be lying if this isn't in the back of my head, the trigger of the childhood issues. So it's right what you're saying on my part I guess.) Nothing ever even materialized. It's just a strong interest of mine. We went out just once though. It's been a sticky situation ever since. I feel there's a lot of Pluto-like stuff like power struggles and all. At least what I feel, maybe it's just one sided. (I realize that his Pluto is directly opposite my Sun Moon midpoint. And my Sun conjuncts his Sun Moon midpoint in his eighth) The composite Saturn stuff you said may feel like a burden... Do the Uranus contacts mitigate this in some way? And also Uranus being the seventh house ruler... Isn't this like a way out? Here's the synastry grid. I'm the first person. Thanks!  IP: Logged |
Stoika7
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posted March 26, 2019 10:56 PM
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Originally posted by Brenda_S:
"and I see a pattern of unresolved issues which are linked to their personal past unresolved issues, especially in your case linked to a family or childhood situation. I mean that it looks like a relationship which triggered old past wounds by trying to find support for that resolution via the relationship but that made it all more painful instead."I'm curious how you got to this? Like the aspects involved... And does it include any natal to composite overlays? It's interesting that he always wanted me to talk to him about my 'stuff'. Like regardless of what happened, he was like 'if you ever need me I'm right here' and stuff like that. I thought that must be his Pisces placements. Which would make him act this way to everyone probably? But I never allowed myself to reveal anything lol and I feel that left him wanting to some extent. He never came on strong about it, but was always trying to hint at me to talk to him. He's probably that way with everyone though. He just gets a kick out of it lol. But that's not the reason I want him in my life, like he never actually took part in that aspect of my life, like I haven't allowed it to go that route. I just genuinely like him as a person. (But I'd be lying if this isn't in the back of my head, the trigger of the childhood issues. So it's right what you're saying on my part I guess.) Nothing ever even materialized. It's just a strong interest of mine. We went out just once though. It's been a sticky situation ever since. I feel there's a lot of Pluto-like stuff like power struggles and all. At least what I feel, maybe it's just one sided. (I realize that his Pluto is directly opposite my Sun Moon midpoint. And my Sun conjuncts his Sun Moon midpoint in his eighth) The composite Saturn stuff you said may feel like a burden... Do the Uranus contacts mitigate this in some way? And also Uranus being the seventh house ruler... Isn't this like a way out? Here's the synastry grid. I'm the first person. Thanks!
Sorry, since you seemed not to wanna talk about it, I assumed it was a broken relationship somehow, but it doesn't really change much what I see in the Composite though...Yes, he's Piesces and he also has Chiron in twelve (the Piesces ruling house), so he's mainly willing to avoid his own past issues but he finds his way through some sort of counterbalance in being willing to help others get through their issues and he's able to uderstand others' issues much better than his own (and maybe, by doing so, he's finally able to see his own past issues clearer). You have your Sun and Moon in twelve, so you might be also someone who feels "unresolved" in some existencial areas, but you have a completely different way to deal with this, having Chiron in Leo/2nd your well being goes through being valued for your social status and material accomplishments, but also in finding a steady family/romantic situation, more than through being put under a "psychological" test... so this is why maybe his approach just doesn't work and can become harsh for you, even though he does so in perfect good faith, and it can turn painful for him as well, because your refusal to "open up" to him might make him feel uselss and frustrated somehow. (I'm oviously just guessing this all just looking at your charts, since I don't know you at all, LOL, so I might actually be completely wrong here!)
I don't see much "way out" from Uranus here, cause of the Comp. Uranus squares, they point to the need to have more indipendence within the relationship, but it is also true that Comp. Uranus conjunct Neptune trine Mercury sextile Pluto is one of the supporting point cause it can give the relationship an emotional energy together with Jupiter trine Saturn trine Moon in 11th, so I feel that this can give you a base of mutual understanding and armony, without forgetting that the Comp. Sun is in 9th, so it means that it all might work out much better if it becomes a "lighter" outgoing relationship where you can support each others through mutual intellectual/cultural/social/philosophical or whatever entertaining shared interests and/or, maybe, focusing on "outer" interests and shared values (humanitarian ones, for instance) than the relationship itself... maybe more like friends than lovers? Which doesn't mean it can't be romantic, but more about finding an armony to avoid the most critical seriousness and burden from Saturn and Pluto.
I've got the feeling about your past family/childhood issues because your Chiron sits on the 2nd and Cancer, and cause your Taurus Sun is in twelve. Since your natal Saturn is in 9th and Aquarius, I feel you might have been "restricted" somehow in your childhood and you might be wary of others' opinion, suggestion or whatever support in changing/forming your ideas, or you might just feel the extreme need to just follow your own way to your accomplishment.
He is someone who is looking for emotional stability as well as you, I assume, and he is also someone who might fear loneliness (Chiron in Libra), maybe he had an unusual family/uncomfortable situation and since his Chiron sits on your fifth house and his Venus in 7th conjunct your mercury, he might feel he's in a "safe place" with you :-) IP: Logged |
Brenda_S
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posted March 27, 2019 02:04 AM
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Stoika7
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posted March 27, 2019 03:38 AM
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Originally posted by Brenda_S:
You're right it has a really heavy tone the entire situation.
Sorry about this whole situation, I hope my take on this wasn't annoying in any way... I obviously didn't know anything about the situation so couldn't even figure out if it was something over already or never started or what... but what I saw in the first place was the harsh painful situation of all those squares involving Pluto, Saturn, the NN and Chiron, and since you've told me now there was a rejection, I've looked at the Saturn square Venus in the 7th.... But yesterday when you mentioned the Red Cross in the other post, I replied that I don't like Red Crosses right away, not sure if you had seen it...
By the way, your Chiron in Leo cannot stand humiliation and your Saturn in 9th yes, it asks for self-reliance and liberation from past issue, and your Sun in 12th needs accomplishment, but being a Taurus with gemini Moon and Gemini Venus I'm positive that you can let negative experience go and move on. Unluckily those Composite aspects I understand that are harsh to let go, they are very binding and karmic... but the Grand Cross usually shows a "breaking point", something to be resolved in order to transform yourself, even if it's harsh, it might take to an entirely new path ahead.
I hope it helps somehow... even though I'm aware astrology is not so much helpful in such cases. Big Hugs IP: Logged |
Hikaru29
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posted March 27, 2019 03:48 AM
@Brenda,
It seems that he has made it crystal clear that you both are not on the same page and that's not gonna change anytime soon. And I'm also getting the feeling that he feels "pressured" even though he may really like hanging out with you, but your emotional expressions are warning him that he's affecting you negatively.Like what Stoika said, if you still want him in your life, take this relationship as LIGHT as you can and see where it goes. Just be friends. Don't try to lure him in as you'll stress yourself and he will feel it. Also, your composite doesn't look strong (planets scattered and the inner planets are not really connecting... Sun is even square Moon). Your composite Sun, which is the essence of the relationship, is mostly making harsh aspects which tells of a difficult relationship (lack of affinity, stability & clarity). Neptune conj Uranus in harmonious aspects to the inner planets is probably why you feel so tuned in to each other, but the 2 t-squares involving Pluto-Venus-Saturn and Pluto-Chiron-Saturn are also showing a lot of blocked, painful feelings. So I would advise that you just take him as a friend and reel all your feelings back in. Let this relationship take its natural course with no pressure. *hugs* IP: Logged |
Brenda_S
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posted March 27, 2019 04:54 AM
Thanks so much to the both of you. I know, I should've taken it light from the start. But the way it developed felt super Chironic (on my part at least) to explain it Astrologically lol. I felt I had to do this from my part in order to feel at peace. And I know I'm still thinking about him, but I feel a certain peace that I haven't felt before. Like now I feel that I can just act really casually with him whereas before just the thought of seeing or talking to him stressed me out. I know he felt pressure, I mean if I did there was no way he didn't lol, but still I have to say I don't regret one bit of what happened. I felt that it needed to happen. I know if anything will ever materialize it doesn't feel like it'll happen very soon, but I'm ok with that. I don't feel the pressure now. I need this distance for a bit, the timing is definitely off. I guess time will tell. I know believing that stuff will materialize is just setting my hopes for something that may never happen. So I'm not believing anything will happen lol, alright well that's a lie. But you know sometimes you just can't help but believe certain stuff will happen. Anyway. I appreciate your insights. Synastry-wise it should work, my (seventh house ruler) Jupiter conjuncts his Moon (which also sextiles my Moon) so that lightness I don't think will be a problem to incorporate. So I guess that's good. IP: Logged |
Brenda_S
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posted March 27, 2019 05:01 AM
BTW @Stoika7 my Chiron is in Cancer, as well as my Venus lol. So yeah but gladly my Moon in Gemini helps. And yeah I saw your post yesterday regarding the Grand Cross. I'm curious if you can elaborate on the below? "but the Grand Cross usually shows a "breaking point", something to be resolved in order to transform yourself, even if it's harsh, it might take to an entirely new path ahead." Also, below what you said... Is it ever just one sided? Like if it shows in the composite and is true for me... Can't help but think he should feel struck by it too? "Unluckily those Composite aspects I understand that are harsh to let go, they are very binding and karmic..." IP: Logged |
Brenda_S
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posted March 27, 2019 05:31 AM
Also just saw what you mentioned in the other post about Virgos...So I'm curious, how would Virgo ruling the twelfth house operate? Like the subconscious being meticulous and 'judgy'? The reason I'm asking, given that he's so concerned about not negatively affecting someone... I'm really curious where it comes from, like nothing in his chart (or maybe his Leo Moon?) indicates that. Why does he let these outer stuff get in the way. Or maybe he's just not that into me. I mean the possibility is definitely there lol otherwise I don't think he'd reject me. Sometimes I wonder if rejection can ever end in the opposite, and one can truly end up liking the person they first rejected. IP: Logged |
Stoika7
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posted March 27, 2019 11:33 PM
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Originally posted by Brenda_S:
I'm curious if you can elaborate on the below? "but the Grand Cross usually shows a "breaking point", something to be resolved in order to transform yourself, even if it's harsh, it might take to an entirely new path ahead."
The Grand Cross is usually a stressful pattern, a turning point, it is like the tarot card of the Death or even the Tower, it is like an upheaval bringing to transformation. In mutable signs it points especially to the communication area and requires finding a balance. quote:
Also, below what you said... Is it ever just one sided? Like if it shows in the composite and is true for me... Can't help but think he should feel struck by it too?"Unluckily those Composite aspects I understand that are harsh to let go, they are very binding and karmic..."
He might feel struck but we (I !) don't know if in a positive or negative way. He's the only one who could tell us this. But in synastry your Moon square his Sun and Mars in the 5th, your Mercury conjunct his Venus in 7th but square his Moon, Uranus and Neptune, your Mars square his Venus, your Pluto opposite his Sun and Moon in his 8th, your Chiron square his Venus AND his Saturn square your ASC... so even though I'm sure those karmic Composite squares affect him, I can't see much armony and compatibility in all this. Composite Venus square Saturn square Pluto square NN opposite Chiron together with Venus square Chiron and Pluto square ASC is like that big red Grand Cross saying "watch out, this is going to hurt you". Yes, Chiron in Virgo is going to make the person critical and controlling, but especially being in the twelve house the person will be concerned in not hurting others, cause it's the Piesces house, hurting others is painful for them as well. IP: Logged |
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