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ScorpieScorp
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posted April 16, 2019 11:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ScorpieScorp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What does Pluto want in Pluto / Moon Synastry?

I've read they want to own your feelings, research your soul.

Is this True?

For anyone that was Pluto, how did you feel? Would love to hear how you felt vs being the Moon person if you had both experiences.

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posted April 17, 2019 12:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I, on the other hand, wants to know how the Moon feels especially in a conjunction.

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posted April 17, 2019 10:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ScorpieScorp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
I, on the other hand, wants to know how the Moon feels especially in a conjunction.

I am Moon right now in a situation with someone at work. I haven't known him too long, but I'm feeling a pull towards him. I definitely like his energy...the more I'm around him, the more I think about him. If I'm not around him for a bit, the "obsessive" thinking dissipates, but it starts all over again when I interact with him.

Also, I'm starting to miss him after I leave, and we are not even dating! We work together, and I might not even see him for a week (we will have talked via phone about work). As the moon person, you strangely feel them in your soul. Your emotions are triggered to long for them. To be with them.

Another example, I was the Moon in an exact Pluto conjunct Moon with a guy I dated back in 2005. I STILL think about him almost weekly. We were close, it felt like we were swimming in each other's souls, I felt so understood and loved. He was kind and gentle. Oddly enough, the moment I would start to move on, he'd find a way back with a call or a text or a visit.

The Moon person loves the intensity...and they are drawn to Pluto.


SO--how does Pluto feel in all of this??

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posted April 17, 2019 11:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To manipulate and control the Moon person.

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posted April 17, 2019 11:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ScorpieScorp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
To manipulate and control the Moon person.

Can you give an example?

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posted April 17, 2019 11:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ScorpieScorp:
I am Moon right now in a situation with someone at work. I haven't known him too long, but I'm feeling a pull towards him. I definitely like his energy...the more I'm around him, the more I think about him. If I'm not around him for a bit, the "obsessive" thinking dissipates, but it starts all over again when I interact with him.

Also, I'm starting to miss him after I leave, and we are not even dating! We work together, and I might not even see him for a week (we will have talked via phone about work). As the moon person, you strangely feel them in your soul. Your emotions are triggered to long for them. To be with them.

Another example, I was the Moon in an exact Pluto conjunct Moon with a guy I dated back in 2005. I STILL think about him almost weekly. We were close, it felt like we were swimming in each other's souls, I felt so understood and loved. He was kind and gentle. Oddly enough, the moment I would start to move on, he'd find a way back with a call or a text or a visit.

The Moon person loves the intensity...and they are drawn to Pluto.


SO--how does Pluto feel in all of this??


Do you have Moon/Pluto aspect in your natal?

I've explained my feelings as Pluto in another thread. I feel obsessed; can't stop thinking about him. Probably because of his natal Moon/Pluto, I could feel his intensity the first time we met. When we looked into each other's eyes, it was like he was staring into my soul. I felt uncomfortable but mesmerised. I resisted it in the beginning but it sucked me in. Soon I became obsessed.

Like Moon, I can gradually feel calmer if I don't see him for awhile but the moment I see him *BAM* I'm back to square one. I can also feel angry and jealous if he shows others more attention. As Pluto I feel very possessive... I tried not to be but I couldn't help it. I know I can easily rile him up and I can manipulate him in a certain way but I don't like to do it. Pluto loves Moon... doesn't like to see Moon unhappy.

It probably doesn't feel as intense in a friendship but in a love r/s it feels very strong... like all or nothing.

I've experienced the trine with my ex but I didn't feel such compulsion.

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posted April 17, 2019 11:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
To manipulate and control the Moon person.

With the square, yes.

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posted April 17, 2019 02:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ScorpieScorp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
Do you have Moon/Pluto aspect in your natal?

>>I do at a wide orb of 9. It's a conjunction that is conjunct my Pluto/NN. Not sure if that NN makes it more potent or not.

I've explained my feelings as Pluto in another thread. I feel obsessed; can't stop thinking about him. Probably because of his natal Moon/Pluto, I could feel his intensity the first time we met. When we looked into each other's eyes, it was like he was staring into my soul. I felt uncomfortable but mesmerised. I resisted it in the beginning but it sucked me in. Soon I became obsessed.


>>Interesting that both sides feel obsessed. I wonder how the obsession is different though. Does Moon obsess about being loved by Pluto and Pluto obsesses to learn more about what makes Moon happy?


Like Moon, I can gradually feel calmer if I don't see him for awhile but the moment I see him *BAM* I'm back to square one. I can also feel angry and jealous if he shows others more attention.


>>The Moon feels jealous too but more sad because the Pluto is not paying attention. It makes the Moon feel like they are losing a limb, or an emptiness.


As Pluto I feel very possessive... I tried not to be but I couldn't help it. I know I can easily rile him up and I can manipulate him in a certain way but I don't like to do it. Pluto loves Moon... doesn't like to see Moon unhappy.


>>As Moon, I know that if I ignore Pluto, it will upset him or make them jealous.


It probably doesn't feel as intense in a friendship but in a love r/s it feels very strong... like all or nothing.

I've experienced the trine with my ex but I didn't feel such compulsion.



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posted April 17, 2019 02:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
With the square, yes.

Why does it always have to be the case with the square?

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posted April 17, 2019 02:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok so with the square does the Pluto person not care about the Moon person?

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posted April 17, 2019 02:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ScorpieScorp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sometimes I wonder if I feel the Pluto/Moon energy as the Moon because I may be Plutonian. But what makes a person Plutonian?

I am a Scorpio, and have a few minor Pluto aspects to my Pluto...see below.


Am I Plutonian?

Has a Non-Plutonian been in a Pluto/Moon relationship and felt the same things described in the posts above?

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posted April 17, 2019 02:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
Why does it always have to be the case with the square?

Generally every synastry aspect has its positives and negatives. With harmonious aspects like trine/sextile, mainly the positives will play out as energies are flowing smoothly (I get you and you get me). This will be quite effortless. With the conjunction, both +/- will play out so it's about being aware and managing it so you harvest the positive energy more.

The square aspect is tension.... energies are not flowing harmoniously so the negatives tend to play out. Imagine you're an impulsive person who like to wing it while I'm a compulsive planner. We will irritate each other. That's a square. So with the square, you need to put in more effort to make it work.

With the opposition you tend to swing between I understand you, I don't understand you... but both planets will keep working on it until they reach a balanced point.

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Ok so with the square does the Pluto person not care about the Moon person?

If the Pluto person is by nature a selfish prick then yeah, perhaps, but I wouldn't say that square means Pluto person doesn't care. Your original qn was whether Pluto will just wanna manipulate and control Moon so my reply is you will see that kinda behaviour more in the square aspect.

My ex has Pluto square my Moon. I find him manipulative.
My friend's bf has Pluto square her Moon. I find him manipulative & controlling towards her as well.

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posted April 17, 2019 03:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ScorpieScorp:
>>I do at a wide orb of 9. It's a conjunction that is conjunct my Pluto/NN. Not sure if that NN makes it more potent or not.

I believe it does. I watched a video on Moon-NN and it says it makes one's emotions go up/down like bipolar. LOL

My guy has Moon-Pluto-NN conjunction.

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>>Interesting that both sides feel obsessed. I wonder how the obsession is different though. Does Moon obsess about being loved by Pluto and Pluto obsesses to learn more about what makes Moon happy?

You tell me! 🤪 I only know that as Pluto I wanna know what makes the Moon ticks... what makes him happy/sad/angry/jealous and what will rock his boat.

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>>The Moon feels jealous too but more sad because the Pluto is not paying attention. It makes the Moon feel like they are losing a limb, or an emptiness.

Oh, is that how Moon feels? Is that why he gets extremely anxious when I'm fed-up with him?

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posted April 17, 2019 05:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stoika7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm sure he dreams of you cause your Moon falls in his neptunian 12th house :-) He might not be completely aware of how powerfully he's drawn to you and why, but his 12th house Libra Pluto can be carried away by such dreamy desire, and he might try to keep this psychic feeling under control, cause it might not be under his control at a subconscious level... his Pluto is in your second house with his ASC as well, so he might be drawn to you as he has found a "steady" and "safe" place where to be, and he might be especially interested in your social and wealthy "status". But especially his 12th house Pluto where your Moon lies, I think, can be overwhealming and "hungry", he's drawn to you by a psychic and intriguing link like a magnet, he might even see you like someone "unreachable" but still have an instant "soulmate" feeling towards you. Yes he might become controlling of you, but with this Pluto position in 12th house maybe he might try to control his own feelings, which he might even be scared about cause he might not even understand where they come from.

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posted April 17, 2019 05:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stoika7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ScorpieScorp:
Sometimes I wonder if I feel the Pluto/Moon energy as the Moon because I may be Plutonian. But what makes a person Plutonian?

I am a Scorpio, and have a few minor Pluto aspects to my Pluto...see below.

Am I Plutonian?

Has a Non-Plutonian been in a Pluto/Moon relationship and felt the same things described in the posts above?


Of course you are, being a Scorpio with Pluto conjunct Moon and NN, in 2nd house Libra, this makes balance in your Plutonian nature somehow, keeping your most passionate and obsessive plutonian aspect under control, at the same time it can lead you to dream a steady financial and very comfortable life, and to focus a lot about this goal.

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posted April 17, 2019 06:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stoika7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
PS: the one I'm obsessed about, his Moon is in my 8th house, which is a pretty smilar as to have Pluto/Moon, so I might feel like the Pluto person, I think, and we also have DW Pluto trine Sun... morever, my Moon is conjunct to his Sun, his Moon in my 8th is trine my Sun (in his 8th)..... I've never felt so obsessed in my life about someone, he comes in my dreams since three years, and the depth of this all is endless... none of the two is a plutonian person (I'm neptunian, he's venusian)....

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posted April 17, 2019 07:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ScorpieScorp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Stoika7:
PS: the one I'm obsessed about, his Moon is in my 8th house, which is a pretty smilar as to have Pluto/Moon, so I might feel like the Pluto person, I think, and we also have DW Pluto trine Sun... morever, my Moon is conjunct to his Sun, his Moon in my 8th is trine my Sun (in his 8th)..... I've never felt so obsessed in my life about someone, he comes in my dreams since three years, and the depth of this all is endless... none of the two is a plutonian person (I'm neptunian, he's venusian)....

Oh my! Do tell...I never thought the overlays could create that much obsession. I guess that's the 8th house for you. Pluto/Sun is very magnet as well...

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posted April 17, 2019 07:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ScorpieScorp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Hikuru

As the Moon, I feel like I want to open up to him because I feel so understood and think Pluto will protect me.
LOL, I'm sure Moon gets anxious when you leave him...there is a high amount of comfort.


@Stoika

So he dreams about me eh? Good, lol.

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posted April 17, 2019 07:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stoika7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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@Hikuru

As the Moon, I feel like I want to open up to him because I feel so understood and think Pluto will protect me.
LOL, I'm sure Moon gets anxious when you leave him...there is a high amount of comfort.


@Stoika

So he dreams about me eh? Good, lol.


It's interesting that you feel his Pluto would protect you since you're plutonian :-) and it's like the Moon, being a satellite, wishes to be pampered by what it (you) recognizes being part of its (your) nature (Pluto). So let's try to figure out how it works for him on the reverse side! He's Cancer Sun, Libra ASC... So he's ruled by Venus (Libra ruler) and the Moon is his Cancer Sun house ruler... how does he feel at home here, with your Libra Moon?? :-D Even though he changed city and work place, wow, I think he has found an home :-D how can't he dream of you ?! :-D

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posted April 17, 2019 11:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@ScorpieScorp,
And Pluto does wanna protect Moon! I find myself always watching out for him and I get annoyed when people talk bad or try to take advantage of him. I'm also very nurturing towards him but I try not to baby him because I think it'll freak him out.

The flip side to this connection is if the Moon disregards or shows insensitivity to Pluto, Pluto gets really really mad because the feeling is so intense.

Such a coincidence that my guy is also a Libra Moon-Pluto-NN (tight orbs). Pray tell, are Libra Moons really as "cold" as what people said despite having an aspect to Pluto? My guy once told me he's someone w/o much emotions. I wonder if he's just saying that to upset me or to hide his vulnerability, or for real. Or he's simply just not that into me.


@Stoika,
Did you dream about him before or after you met him?

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posted April 17, 2019 11:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pluto wants transformation, Mr P wants u to change ur ways (moon) and will in a way force u to see things differently. Good or bad

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posted April 18, 2019 12:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stoika7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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@Stoika,
Did you dream about him before or after you met him?

That's a good question!! I've actually started to dream of him before actually meeting him, cause first time I saw him it was on facebook :-D ...not sure when the obsession started though... it developed slowly, along with those weird psychic synchronicities and other crazy coincidences between us... only thing I'm sure, it never ended.

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posted April 18, 2019 12:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stoika7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
Such a coincidence that my guy is also a Libra Moon-Pluto-NN (tight orbs). Pray tell, are Libra Moons really as "cold" as what people said despite having an aspect to Pluto? My guy once told me he's someone w/o much emotions. I wonder if he's just saying that to upset me or to hide his vulnerability, or for real. Or he's simply just not that into me.

I'm not sure Libra Moon is without emotion (wait... my impossible love is also Libra Moon :-O ) ... I think they need emotional balance and dislike excess... so in case of natal Moon/Pluto I guess they would restrict emotionally their plutonian impulses somehow...? Virgo Sun looks a little "cold" to me, but that's not true either, I have close Virgo Sun people who act cold, they seem to be good in emotional control, but they're actually very sensitive.

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posted April 18, 2019 01:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Stoika7:
I'm not sure Libra Moon is without emotion (wait... my impossible love is also Libra Moon :-O ) ... I think they need emotional balance and dislike excess... so in case of natal Moon/Pluto I guess they would restrict emotionally their plutonian impulses somehow...? Virgo Sun looks a little "cold" to me, but that's not true either, I have close Virgo Sun people who act cold, they seem to be good in emotional control, but they're actually very sensitive.


Actually I don't find Virgo Suns cold. They're cool and unruffled, but they're actually very caring people and they'll be there for you. A caring person cannot be cold.

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posted April 18, 2019 01:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stoika7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Actually I don't find Virgo Suns cold. They're cool and unruffled, but they're actually very caring people and they'll be there for you. A caring person cannot be cold.

Yes, this is what I mean... but they "look" cold sometimes, cause they're very realistic, down to earth... at least this is how a very lunatic aquarius/piesces sees them sometimes, lol

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