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HieronymusTush
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posted April 18, 2019 03:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for HieronymusTush     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here are the charts of the bane of my existence, the most intense relationship I have ever had... Please have a go as you like:

The composite:

The synastry:

I keep the orbs quite wide to try and get the whole picture. Looking forward to hearing what you think, especially node-wise.

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posted April 18, 2019 08:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stoika7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Here are the charts of the bane of my existence, the most intense relationship I have ever had...

I see what you mean... it is actually one of the most harsh charts to read... for me, at least. The "Nodes issue" looks clear here, but it's not the only challenging aspect.....
This r/s looks extremely fated and intense. If it's over, I'm almost surprised, it is extremely binding and consuming.
There are many (overwhelming) aspects into play, so I'll try to make this as short as possible.
I don't know who is inside or outside in the synastry... btw, you are both strong personalities and have so much in common, even too much. From certain aspects, you seem like a mirror to each others... and this reminds me the Sun-Moon/Nodes connection there. The problem is that in such mirroring, you might have forgotten your own individual paths, there is something you both have kept locked "hidden" in your subconscious world, and this might have prevented you to "understand" each others, since you both have Chiron/Lilith in your natal chart, and they make a DW aspect with each other's moon. It looks like there's been a reflection of your Self in each others where your Self might have lost his way somehow, focusing only on the deepest emotional side you have inspired each others, which looks really deep. This might have made you blind somehow.... The "blue" person (inside in synastry) is someone who might be successful in his life goal or career, and is someone who has a deep connection with the outer world or the "universal mind", so much that sometimes they might lose their "identity"... this person, even though has a strong personality, might be in search of their true individuality, and they can sometimes feel they find it in "merging" with someone else, or by dedicating themselves to their work/activity/business. The "red" person (outside in synastry) has a more well defined personality, at this level, they look "dominant" in the r/s, and the blue person might have found a big inspiration from the red person. The two if them are also very similar cause both their Mars square their Sun. They might be both unable to express the full potential of their powerful energy, this can be frustrating and can lead both to have impulsive reactions and/or blame others when they are frustrated. They might both find "release" to such core energy through passion and sex... They have found in each others such relief somehow, but such a powerful energy meeting might potentially take to a clash. One of the worst aspects here is Mars square the Pluto/Pluto conjunction... this is a powerful challenge where the two so passionate personalities can clash. Here's probably there was an obsession, jelousy, dominance attitude, I suspect, more from the red person... maybe something having to do with the blue person's work or activity or material issues was also involved (not sure though). they have both tried to act like the other's "healer" or "supporter", but the intensity of it all might have got out of control somehow. The Chiron aspect here is significant, especially cause it's linked to Lilith in both their natal charts. There was a powerful intimate connection, where the two felt to merge into each others, on a physical level... it was felt as true love. They could trigger their most "secret" subconscious side of each others. In Composite, Chiron/Lilith is in the 7th house, what might support the r/s maybe has been "forgotten", lost in this intense whirlwind... The Composite ruler 9th house (Sagittarius ASC) tells there is a neptunian "higher" soulmate purpose here, which might be stifled by the Grand Cross formed by Composite Chiron/Venus/Saturn/Jupier aspects. Composite Saturn falls in 12th house and it looks like a strong fated "unresolved" bond, which might have given a subconscious burden... this is opposite to Chiron 7th house, asking for release. Composite Mars opposite the Sun/Moon/Mercury stellium and square to Pluto looks like an aggressive "destroyer" energy coming from the Mars/NN square in 4th house. The NN in 4th house forms a trine to Mercury/stellium in 8th house and to Uranus in 1st house. This is the potential "relief" of the r/s, the path where a balance can be found, in mutual understanding, freedom and mental connection, as the "family" (4th house NN) they believed to belong together. The powerful intensity of this all, with the 8th house stellium square Pluto square Mars looks overwhelming though... and it involves the Nodes and the sextile to Venus and Neptune. I think this union has (had ? ) a great potential to take both to an higher level, this is shown by the Composite ruler 9th house where Composite Venus falls. Chiron in 7th house sextile the stellium seems to suggest that "true love" is the healing way here, it is opposite Saturn in twelve, and this clearly talks of the need of an "other worldly" level of bond and understanding to each others. Composite Chiron opposite Uranus in first house (the Composite Identity house) says that such healing way comes through Self-awareness (within the r/s)... maybe it is about "letting go" and finally follow your free individual path.
As I said, there is much more into play here... I hope I didn't write anything annoying here... <3

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posted April 18, 2019 08:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for todd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
the Jupiter/Saturn midpoint is square the node at 26cap36. when the south node transited this midpoint on feb 8-9 2019, it is likely the relationship's problems became more apparent . with the Saturn/Venus midpoint conjunct the south node at 23lib13, this would increase the probability of a breakup, though this connection could show the breakup would occur april 4 2019.
the mercury/Uranus midpoint is at 22lib19 so there is a slight chance that there was an attempt at reconciliation todd

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posted April 19, 2019 03:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for HieronymusTush     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by todd:
the Jupiter/Saturn midpoint is square the node at 26cap36. when the south node transited this midpoint on feb 8-9 2019, it is likely the relationship's problems became more apparent . with the Saturn/Venus midpoint conjunct the south node at 23lib13, this would increase the probability of a breakup, though this connection could show the breakup would occur april 4 2019.
the mercury/Uranus midpoint is at 22lib19 so there is a slight chance that there was an attempt at reconciliation todd

Thank you so much, both of you.

Uh-oh... you are so right todd. I'm not sure whether it is going to be fixable. It feels we haven't been able to communicate without evoking a deep fear or resentment for about a month or so.

We are not broken up technically, but it's been especially this way since the first week of April as you said, and your mention of this is honestly astounding to me. I would like to be able to communicate clearly and deeply like we used to, at least. I feel shunned. Do you see any favorable connection to this effect in the future, todd?

And you are so right as well, Stoika7. I'm the blue. My biggest strength in life is a resolve to successfully negotiate the outer world with my inner world through work. I have a tendency to bury myself in work. In this way, public work or professional intellectual pursuits become my inner world somehow, they become private, and ensure that I am alone a lot of the time. You are also right that my lover red inspired me about individuality. But we have not been able to "match" the inner feeling of merging, deep love and passion with how we spend our time and life in a regular and manageable manner. I evoke a lot of guilt in him for not being able to manage his time and life and intellectual world better. He is one of the most brilliant people I have met. No one has inspired in me as strong or deep feelings before. (I try not to say this too often because it's a helpless sort of devotion )

So I am currently waiting for a better time to communicate and understand one another... to cohabit each other's lives without interrupting it but am unsure if this is ever going to happen. I am generally unsure about previous lives, but to describe a feeling, it feels like we have had so many relationships through time before, and the one are having right now has all the knowing, devotion and love but none of the practicality. If this is going to arrive through self-understanding and knowledge, given our charts, how would I use this to improve the relationship without burdening the other one or evoking guilt? Perhaps I should just let go.


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posted April 19, 2019 10:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stoika7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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If this is going to arrive through self-understanding and knowledge, given our charts, how would I use this to improve the relationship without burdening the other one or evoking guilt? Perhaps I should just let go.

Yes, I saw the resentment and blaming issue in the chart, and the fact that you find comfort in loneliness for intellectual work where you actually find your inner world and "identity" (I am exactly like this as well). I'm sorry I couldn't be more specific, since I don't have much details... and it's hard for me to say more cause I wouldn't dare to be invasive... The problem I see here is that you two share very similar issues and patterns and so you "mirror" each others a lot... you both seem to have an uncomfortable feeling about not being heard as much as you would deserve. You (HieronymusTush) seem to be able to communicate through your intellectual/creative world more than he is, and at the same time, as you said, it matches with your inner world (Chiron in 6th house trine NN 9th house and Sun/MC, and Mercury in 11th house.). You, though, have Mercury square Mars and this aspect of yours might appear confrontational to someone with Chiron in 7th house like him, even though it's not your intention at all. The problem is that this dynamic can trigger a "rage control" issue in both of you (synastry Pluto square Mars)... Moreover, you both have Chiron in Gemini, which points to communication issues, and the Chiron conjunction there, even though with some differences here, for you the asteroid acts as a healer/liberator in the 6th house trine your Sun/NN/MC, while for him it acts more painful cause it is in his 7th house of relationships opposite his Saturn and Uranus 1st house/square Jupiter (which actually trine your Mercury...). You both also have Jupiter square to natal Saturn/Uranus and Chiron (conjunct to each others'). You have natal NN in third house of communication trine Neptune/ASC and Uranus, this looks like a supporting aspect of your "identity", and his Mars is square to such "balance structure" in your communication area. Together with synastry Saturn and Uranus conjunctions square Jupiter square Chiron-Lilith, this all might feel like an attack to your (HieronymusTush') inner balance. You also have natal Neptune/ASC (your intellectual neptunian, yet capricorn, work/"identity") opposite his Venus and quincux your Chiron/Lilith. The outcome is that you might trigger each others' weakest hidden wounds instead of helping each others' "healing". Your healing/supporting way to each others should go instead through that (jungian/otherworldly/entanglement) Nodes connection... This is cause your natal Nodes are in your 3rd/9th houses of communication and connection to the outer world (where you also indentify yourself with your Neptune conjunct ASC), and his natal nodes are on his 5th and 11th houses, where he might find his own accomplishment towards the outer/social and emotional world (where also his Moon falls). We have seen how those Mars squares have been threatening this karmic connection. In fact, despite the deep soulmate feelings, inspiration and devotion for each others, you said that you could not merge this with "how we spend our time and life in a regular and manageable manner"... this is likely seen in the Composite second house, where Mars is square to the SN in 10th house and NN in 4th house, and Comp. Uranus square Jupiter and square Venus... Here, Composite NN forms a (Fire) Grand Trine with Mercury/Uranus though, with Mercury sextile to SN, so this is the communication "key" for your connection.
Answering your question is not easy, cause this whole connection here seems to involve your most deepest individual paths, and this is summed up by the Composite 9th house where Venus falls, opposite to Jupiter in the communication house and trine Uranus and Neptune in the 1st house... But the destroying energy of Mars is actually an outcome here, not the root issue... the karmic root issue, I think, is Saturn in twelve house, (in Sagittarius, ruled by Neptune/9th house), forming a Grand Cross... Saturn in this position is the real burden cause in the (karmic) twelve it means that the real blockage of the connection is "buried" in your subconscious...
The question, I'd dare to say, might actually be: What awareness did I gain about myself through this connection? Why am I experiencing this burden (Saturn) and seeing guilt over this person? Why did I allow this burden to threaten my balance? I'm saying so cause your connection seems really to be there for a reason, which is not so visible, and the rage and resentment (Mars) might actually not be the real issue here, just the surface.
(Sadly though, sometimes we might need to protect ourselves first, our inner balance, in order to see things clearer...)

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posted April 19, 2019 04:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for todd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would like to be able to communicate clearly and deeply like we used to, at least. I feel shunned. Do you see any favorable connection to this effect in the future, todd?

it is not a good omen that you are not talking right now because the composite shows mercury trine touranus and the midpoint was transited last week. this would have beenanexcellent time to communicate so....
the next period that i suggest you try to talkto him would be when the node transits the mercury/chiron midpoint on april 23. the nature of this transit is extremely analytical so it does not necessarily mean are conciliation but it could at least bring you a common understanding of the feelings involved in the relationship. as I said,it is not really reconciliation vibration but it could give completion and renewed respect.

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posted April 20, 2019 02:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for HieronymusTush     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Stoika7, thank you so much for your thoughtful and insightful reading. You have hit so many points correctly. When our communication and relationship works, it works like an incredibly effective and transformative therapy. Perhaps it's an odd thing to say but it's exactly how the experience is for me. During these periods the contentment it brings is hard to describe. But when it doesn't work, it's like a little part of yourself is undone somehow and you just have to fix it, it doesn't feel like a normal disagreement with another individual. It's like deeply a painful itch!

I can't say whether this relationship will end soon or when it will - this relationship is more than a year and a half long at this point and has seen so many disagreements and twists and turns. We still have the utmost respect for each other, and love. There is a fear in both of us that with the depth of the feelings, the relationship can go sour or dysfunctional very easily, so there have been significant distant periods to preserve the integrity of our bond. We found each other again and again before. (Stoika7, we were in the same class in primary school where everyone in the class said he had a crush on me, and we fell in love in 2017 when we moved to the same city. We were not in contact but have known each other for decades. This is one of those strange relationships ) I hope we only find each other again this time if it's going to be good for both of us. I don't want to be together no matter what, I tend to find it difficult to walk away from emotional ties.

Dear todd, I always appreciate your insight so much! If it's not too personal, do you arrange your personal communications around certain dates like you mentioned? And do you find it to work?

You called this relationship was going to be "magical but hard to bottle" a year ago You were right - I thought of your comment so often and read it again and again. There have been many instances where I found not being able to bottle it much more illuminating and inspiring... I can honestly say this relationship has changed me for the better as a person. Other times, it was difficult to not be sad about the fact that it wasn't more regular or conventional. I hope there's still some more good out of it to come for both of us, and I wonder whether you had any other observations about how this might go.

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posted April 20, 2019 05:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for todd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by HieronymusTush:
Dear todd, I always appreciate your insight so much! If it's not too personal, do you arrange your personal communications around certain dates like you mentioned? And do you find it to work?

You called this relationship was going to be "magical but hard to bottle" a year ago You were right - I thought of your comment so often and read it again and again. There have been many instances where I found not being able to bottle it much more illuminating and inspiring... I can honestly say this relationship has changed me for the better as a person. Other times, it was difficult to not be sad about the fact that it wasn't more regular or conventional. I hope there's still some more good out of it to come for both of us, and I wonder whether you had any other observations about how this might go.


I do "schedule" some interactions based on transits. as lng as I use node transits,tings workfairly well but whenanother personis involed itisdfficult to be sure of theout come.
I do have anecdote form a few years ago. I have told a woman, who happened to be my lover, that she should call her sister on such a date, as they were estranged.
in the interim, we broke up and she was somewhat upset with me. she told me that nothing I had ever told was correct...except that on the day a told her to call her sister....her sister called her and a degree of reconciliation was achieved.
so node transits can give the best day to accomplish a wish.
in your chart/life... I think the relationship is over so I don't think speaking with him will bring him back. but as I said, you maybe able to retain a warm friendship if you both can see the relationship for it's constructive points and the points of contention in a objective manner.one of the major difficulties is that this relationship ad srong etheric/karmic energies and therefore the desires and expectation of one's ego rarely coincide with the "meaning" of the relationship on "higher" levels. i'll look at the composite again. you might post the link to the original reply.
I might be able to elucidate some points
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posted April 20, 2019 05:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for HieronymusTush     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by todd:
I do "schedule" some interactions based on transits. as lng as I use node transits,tings workfairly well but whenanother personis involed itisdfficult to be sure of theout come.
I do have anecdote form a few years ago. I have told a woman, who happened to be my lover, that she should call her sister on such a date, as they were estranged.
in the interim, we broke up and she was somewhat upset with me. she told me that nothing I had ever told was correct...except that on the day a told her to call her sister....her sister called her and a degree of reconciliation was achieved.
so node transits can give the best day to accomplish a wish.
in your chart/life... I think the relationship is over so I don't think speaking with him will bring him back. but as I said, you maybe able to retain a warm friendship if you both can see the relationship for it's constructive points and the points of contention in a objective manner.one of the major difficulties is that this relationship ad srong etheric/karmic energies and therefore the desires and expectation of one's ego rarely coincide with the "meaning" of the relationship on "higher" levels. i'll look at the composite again. you might post the link to the original reply.
I might be able to elucidate some points
todd


I see.

I like the idea of someone finding this thread and comparing their own experiences with nodal squares. There really is so little about this on the internet.

Just to clarify the current situation about this relationship, we did not technically break off the relationship or mentioned a conclusion to each other. We are cross with each other, talking hasn't helped recently, and I'm pretty confused about what will come next. But I really am not sure it is over yet.

Looking forward to reading your comment.

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posted April 20, 2019 11:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stoika7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by HieronymusTush:
Stoika7, thank you so much for your thoughtful and insightful reading. You have hit so many points correctly. When our communication and relationship works, it works like an incredibly effective and transformative therapy. Perhaps it's an odd thing to say but it's exactly how the experience is for me. During these periods the contentment it brings is hard to describe. But when it doesn't work, it's like a little part of yourself is undone somehow and you just have to fix it, it doesn't feel like a normal disagreement with another individual. It's like deeply a painful itch!

I can't say whether this relationship will end soon or when it will - this relationship is more than a year and a half long at this point and has seen so many disagreements and twists and turns. We still have the utmost respect for each other, and love. There is a fear in both of us that with the depth of the feelings, the relationship can go sour or dysfunctional very easily, so there have been significant distant periods to preserve the integrity of our bond. We found each other again and again before. (Stoika7, we were in the same class in primary school where everyone in the class said he had a crush on me, and we fell in love in 2017 when we moved to the same city. We were not in contact but have known each other for decades. This is one of those strange relationships ) I hope we only find each other again this time if it's going to be good for both of us. I don't want to be together no matter what, I tend to find it difficult to walk away from emotional ties.


Dear HieronymusTush, the bond coming from the past is seen in the strong Saturn aspects, unluckily though it is opposite your Chiron conjunction together with Uranus conjunction... I know what you mean about the "therapy" cause I had a similar experience, many years ago, but some therapies work for some aspects while they can create side effects or even "hide" deeper wounds and make it worse... of course, I don't know if this is your case, but I think it always depends on how we react to therapies and side effects... I think this relationship serves your "higher mind" development, but something threatens your individual structure at the same time, so it seems that such basic structure needs more balance. There is an "ego" clash here... but at the same time there is a co-dependence to each others in that basic structure... he, apparently, looks like the stronger one, but I feel he's the one who has not found his own stability, he has an inner conflict related to his "earthly" nature and activity. You *maybe* have found this stability more in your intellectual activity than inside yourself. You integrate each others's balance somehow, but this might not give you that individual basic structure though. Uranus aspects here talk about such missing individual basic autonomy... you have it in 12th house, he has it in first house together with his ASC... Transit Uranus is mainly what is bringing upheaval these days... This transit is against both your Neptune and Uranus and in the Composite. It is like your individual wounds are acting rebellious against that co-dependance. This all can work out only if you're both able to deal with your own individual wounds without expecting salvation from the r/s. I know it is more complicated than this! But I still see that Composite Venus in 9th house forming a Gran Trine with Neptune in first house and the NN in 4th house. This "higher love" trine involving the NN with the "identity" first house and the "higher mind" 9th house suggests the karmic purpose of your r/s. Chiron in 7th house opposite Saturn in 12th and square Jupiter doesn't seem to be helpful here... so, the "therapy" mirror or comfort zone doesn't seem to be the solution here, and in fact it seems not working out... As I said, Saturn suggests a deepest karmic root buried in your subconscious, it is conjunct to the ASC, so it still talks about self-awareness and individual self-reliance "against" an ego issue though, cause Sagittarius is ruled by the 9th house (the "higher mind" house").
Actual transits are not favourable in the next few weeks. Especially transit Uranus squares, while transit NN is in your Comp. 7th house, this might still bring upheavals, clashes, difficult communication, and transit Uranus just entered Comp. 5th house, square to Mars... you're especially having harsh Neptune and Uranus transits, so you will probably feel still angry, frustrated and hopeless... By the end of April transit Uranus will be square to Comp. ASC, so you might feel this all falling apart. I suggest you to wait for the end of May, when Jupiter will conjunct Comp. Neptune, to see things a little clearer... Unfortunately, transits on your natal and Comp. chart are not favourable for the next few months... there are a few open channels for communications at the end of May, but it all will ask for some effort and openness otherwise things might get worse.
I'm sure this person will always be important in your life, whatever kind of r/s you will have... for the few next months with those challenging transits I suggest you to "detach" yourself a little and try tolet go the most negative feelings you might have. This might support you until september, when your own transits make it all much clearer and less painful.
Hope this helps <3

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posted April 21, 2019 10:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for HieronymusTush     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you so much, Stoika7. Miss him a ton!

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posted May 05, 2019 11:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stoika7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi HieronymusTush, how is it going? Hope you guys could sort things out...

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posted May 06, 2019 03:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for HieronymusTush     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Hi HieronymusTush, how is it going? Hope you guys could sort things out...

Stoika7, thank you for checking in! I hope you're very well. Rather surprisingly, he gave me a call exactly on the day todd said, the 23rd! I try not to dwell on the date-deterministic aspects of astrology (not that I am well versed enough to analyse those myself) but I was very surprised that it should happen exactly on the date. I was outside in a crowded dinner, and did a double take when someone passed my phone to me to say it was ringing. We spoke about our disagreements in the days that followed. The main problem I suppose is that we cannot ascertain how much of the current difficulty is related to personal values and how much of it is due to current circumstances. He is working on an academic work that is psychologically and politically very heavy, and the past few years of his life has been plagued by the responsibility to complete it, and do it right. Part of why we have had a difficult time as a couple (spending time together, sharing a common rhythm) ever since we got together (November 2017) has been due to this. I have a pretty regular life rhythm outside of the few insanely busy periods I have during the year. I cannot dictate my life rhythm on him, and have felt uncomfortable being dictated by his somewhat erratic and anxious method of working. He has a rather definite and massive deadline at the end of this month, so he has been extra stressful and MIA. Anyway, I have such respect for his wit, intellect and integrity.

So I have not known this man -as an adult- when he has not been plagued by a deep sense of responsibility and anxiety about this body of work. I sincerely hope for his sake that he will be able to hand it in in a way that is satisfactory to him and move on to whatever is next for him.

I saw him too since the 23rd. Not to sound like an idiot, but it really was magical! We start giggling immediately when we see each other, and this has been exactly the same ever since we met. I don't know how to explain it! Since the 23rd, he calls me multiple times everyday, and we try to keep topics of conversation light and fun. (I agree with your suggestion of gentle detachment until there is a change in circumstances - and took it to heart) We have such incredibly deep love for each other. We shall see how things go from here. It's been very difficult to stay apart when we tried to since the beginning. The difficult part is not to stay together, but to not stay together no matter what - to ensure that the relationship is nurturing and good and fun for both of us. That it adds to both of us, and not detract.

I wanted to provide the backstory (without disrespecting his privacy!) to what you so insightfully saw on the charts, Stoika7 In short, at least the lines of communication seem to be normal and open and calm right now. I hope you are able to see some other good things in the charts as well...

Also a friendly wave to todd, whose insight has stunned me again!

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posted May 06, 2019 03:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for HieronymusTush     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh and, I'm a little shy about talking about this - but one aspect of this relationship is the deep, inexplicable feeling I have that it should have a fruit. I suspect the reason is the 5th house stellium overlay in synastry, but I had never had this feeling with anyone else before, so it's surprising. I'm not too keen on the idea of having my own biological children so I think this fruit may also be an artistic work, like a finished work of art, a book? It is like our relationship is bringing out the urge to make a "complete product" of our respective personal journeys. I don't know...

In another thread I was trying to find out more about NN conjunct IC in synastry, and that query is one part related to this aspect. I wonder if it is really that significant & could give one the feeling I described above.

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posted May 06, 2019 03:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stoika7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Oh and, I'm a little shy about talking about this - but one aspect of this relationship is the deep, inexplicable feeling I have that it should have a fruit. I suspect the reason is the 5th house stellium overlay in synastry, but I had never had this feeling with anyone else before, so it's surprising. I'm not too keen on the idea of having my own biological children so I think this fruit may also be an artistic work, like a finished work of art, a book? It is like our relationship is bringing out the urge to make a "complete product" of our respective personal journeys. I don't know...

In another thread I was trying to find out more about NN conjunct IC in synastry, and that query is one part related to this aspect. I wonder if it is really that significant & could give one the feeling I described above.


Hi dear HieronymusTush, so good to hear from you and such good news! Wow, it's incredible how good Todd is and his prediction about April 23, this is brilliant :-) (I think I'll have to ask for his advice soon as well, if he doesn't mind!)
Well, transit Uranus square Mars in your 5th and coming to square comp. ASC made me too pessimistic then, so I'm glad I was wrong, LOL ... still I had seen those heavy transits for the next months, with some relief at the end of May, so maybe this is related to his stressful work schedule keeping you two separated... (I had seen at first from your synastry a challenge about the professional life not matching with the intimate sphere of your relationship, but wasn't sure about who of you two the issue was coming from) Well, right at this moment, transit Mercury has gone through closer to your Composite NN trine to Comp. Mercury/Uranus, soon it will be sextile to Comp. Jupiter and trine to Comp. Mars, but it will be square to Comp. Uranus while transit Uranus is square to Comp. Mars, so you might still have some on-off communication switches... even though, Jupiter might support you in keeping things cool and being patient about his stressful period.
I think that you two have a powerful intellectual connection that can certainly give the fruit you talk about. In synastry, your Jupiter/Jupiter is trine to your Mercury sextile to your Neptune/ASC, and Composite Jupiter/3rd house trine Comp. Pluto. This is certainly a powerful creative connection and drive which can actually take to share an intellectual project. Moreover, your NN/IC trine to the Uranus conjunction is certainly motivational and drawing you two to such a creative endeavour. His natal Taurus Sun/Mercury opposite ASC might be slightly challenged by the opposition to your Mercury/Venus, but I think it works as an inspiration, since your Mercury is conjunct his ASC and is trine to the Jupiter/Jupiter conjunction... So I really think such a project would be a great support to keep your relationship alive and strengthen the bond despite the current stressful period, something you two might look at as a good future prospect together :-)

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I think that you two have a powerful intellectual connection that can certainly give the fruit you talk about. In synastry, your Jupiter/Jupiter is trine to your Mercury sextile to your Neptune/ASC, and Composite Jupiter/3rd house trine Comp. Pluto. This is certainly a powerful creative connection and drive which can actually take to share an intellectual project. Moreover, your NN/IC trine to the Uranus conjunction is certainly motivational and drawing you two to such a creative endeavour. His natal Taurus Sun/Mercury opposite ASC might be slightly challenged by the opposition to your Mercury/Venus, but I think it works as an inspiration, since your Mercury is conjunct his ASC and is trine to the Jupiter/Jupiter conjunction... So I really think such a project would be a great support to keep your relationship alive and strengthen the bond despite the current stressful period, something you two might look at as a good future prospect together :-)
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Dear Stoika7, can I ask how you go about looking at transits to the composite? And do you see a few in the near to mid-near future that would potentially promise more stability and ease? Is this Uranian effect to somewhat subside?

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Dear Stoika7, can I ask how you go about looking at transits to the composite? And do you see a few in the near to mid-near future that would potentially promise more stability and ease? Is this Uranian effect to somewhat subside?

Hi darling! I usually check transits on sites such as astro-seek.com and see where they fall in the composite chart... basically, my eyes see double, lol

Mainly, since Uranus is transiting slowly in harsh aspect to your Composite Saturn, Moon/Moon-Vertex midpoint and Pluto, I think that a complete feeling of stability won't be there for a while... meanwhile, from now on to early September, there are some positive transits from tr Jupiter conjunct Comp. Juno/Asc/Saturn, tr Saturn conjunct Comp. Neptune/Mars midpoint, and tr Chiron trine to comp. Uranus/Neptune midpoint and to Moon/Vertex midpoint, you might feel more at ease with the situation and maybe some kind of new balance you might be willing to explore within the relationship... especially tr. Jupiter conjunct Saturn/ASC trine NN and tr Neptune trine Comp. Venus seems to be "willing" and hopeful to keep the committment going, despite the Uranus challenge... tr. Mercury in Comp 9th house trine to Neptune, but square to Uranus/Neptune midpoint, might still pose ups and downs feelings... until November, when Mercury will be conjunct to Saturn, trine Moon/Sun, tr. NN will be trine to Comp. Jupiter, Pluto and sextile Venus and tr Neptune conjunct Comp. Jupiter.
Well, maybe I'm not able to see if an enduring stability will actually start from november, someone more experienced than me might certainly figure this out better on the long run, but from these tranists I've got the idea that things might basically get slowly better from now on to november, more positive signs starting from september to november.

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