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jjj
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posted April 20, 2019 06:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jjj     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We have known each other for a year, both late 40ies, divorced. He is great guy, we get along well in spite of being opposites - he is v sociable and relaxed (aqua sun, cappy moon, aqua Venus, aries mars, sag AC), me very private and quite moody (cappy sun, scorp moon, scorp Venus, scorp Mars, cancer AC). I have aqua NN, he Pisces NN.

The only problem is that he doesn’t seem to like physical intimacy as much as I do. We still live in different countries and when we meet id like to have lots of sex while sex for him is not a priority and when it happens it’s very quick 😳. He doesn’t like to cuddle nor kiss, outside sex (only at bedtime) gives only smooches w a funny noise (🙄 . His ex cheated on him and I start to wonder why... 👿. I do know that he had problems w his ex and it might have affected his feeling desired (he has natal mars cj Chiron and my Chiron conjuncts it). I have feelings for him.

I’m not sure if his low desire for physical intimacy is educational/cultural (he lives in the countryside where men work hard all day) or he just doesn’t need it. On the other hand, he is a big texter/flirter. Words seem to be his thing while sex is not (in spite of his aries mars wth).

I wonder that maybe he just doesn’t feel comfortable yet and that might change if we were to live together. Basically I’m not used to be alone with my lover in the same room after months of absence and nothing happens... maybe I’m too demanding. I feel like I focus on sex too much and it will spoil everything.

What are ur experiences w Aqua men in this regard? Do they become “ hotter” when more time into relationship?

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posted April 20, 2019 07:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sassaqua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
He doesn't have a lot of water is his chart by the looks of it. That can make a difference.

In particular for the men with a water void, because they can get by quite well in the world without learning how to be more feeling. And they just settle into that way of being.

Also, Cap is pretty distant as well as Aqua.

Perhaps do a synastry read here? You both have quite different elements, maybe intuitively you balance him? Or, perhaps he's happy with the distance, and the low-key interaction you have because he can keep it on the surface only.

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posted April 21, 2019 04:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stoika7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by jjj:
We have known each other for a year, both late 40ies, divorced. He is great guy, we get along well in spite of being opposites - he is v sociable and relaxed (aqua sun, cappy moon, aqua Venus, aries mars, sag AC), me very private and quite moody (cappy sun, scorp moon, scorp Venus, scorp Mars, cancer AC). I have aqua NN, he Pisces NN.

The only problem is that he doesn’t seem to like physical intimacy as much as I do. We still live in different countries and when we meet id like to have lots of sex while sex for him is not a priority and when it happens it’s very quick 😳. He doesn’t like to cuddle nor kiss, outside sex (only at bedtime) gives only smooches w a funny noise (🙄 . His ex cheated on him and I start to wonder why... 👿. I do know that he had problems w his ex and it might have affected his feeling desired (he has natal mars cj Chiron and my Chiron conjuncts it). I have feelings for him.

I’m not sure if his low desire for physical intimacy is educational/cultural (he lives in the countryside where men work hard all day) or he just doesn’t need it. On the other hand, he is a big texter/flirter. Words seem to be his thing while sex is not (in spite of his aries mars wth).

I wonder that maybe he just doesn’t feel comfortable yet and that might change if we were to live together. Basically I’m not used to be alone with my lover in the same room after months of absence and nothing happens... maybe I’m too demanding. I feel like I focus on sex too much and it will spoil everything.

What are ur experiences w Aqua men in this regard? Do they become “ hotter” when more time into relationship?


Hi jjj, this is interesting to me cause I'm Aquarius and share with this man almost all planets, cept for Moon(I'm Taurus) and ASC (I'm Piesces). And, well, I'm a woman, not a man, lol.

As an Aqua Sun/Venus and Aries Mars woman, I usually feel detched and not into physical contact too much when I'm not really in love or not very physically attracted. I have had relationships where I really liked the guy, we got along pretty well, and I even liked how they looked a lot, but I was still "cold" on an intimate level.
As an Aqua Sun/Venus and Aries Mars, I've been very physically warm in the three longtime r/s when I was deeply attracted and madly in love. I was also this way a few times without being madly in love, but I felt strongly attracted. Otherwise, I feel pretty cold and I just feel like I don't need much physical contact, even though I enjoy being with the person a lot...

I have had one only r/s with an Aqua man. He was Leo ASC and he was very warm but only during sex, otherwise he looked completely detached.

Btw, it would be interesting to see the synastry chart to see how it plays out on the "attraction" level.

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posted April 21, 2019 09:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dumuzi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted April 21, 2019 09:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dumuzi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
the aquarius guy i used to hook up with liked physical affection, but he had a hard time really initiating it and there was always something about it that didn't flow naturally

it could've just been the combination of me and him though (both of us lack personal planets in water in our charts) because even during sex i wasn't particularly interested in kissing him and it was all without feeling (for me, for him apparently he felt **** but he expressed that to other people never me so im not sure what to make of that) but he wasn't particularly assertive either

everything sort of came out wrong with him, though he'd ask to be touched and held etc

i'm very physically affectionate with my fiancee and find it very easy with her (i'm always kissing and hugging and touching her etc not just during sex and while i'm fine with quick sex i prefer to take my time and keep things going a while) so i know it's not some me issue where i just generally have trouble with that kind of thing (she also found him awkward though in her case there's this level of sympathy towards the awkwardness whereas i just didn't care and it made me disinterested in trying) because when i think about it even with other people i've had sex with i'd touch them outside of sex and vice versa and it'd feel more natural

i've had plenty of friends and coworkers etc who i've hugged, cuddled with and so on without really thinking about it just because they were physical people and i can be too

with the aquarius though there's just this something where he wants that affection and tries but it felt forced and fake somehow

i can't quite explain it

also the all talk thing was true about that guy, he'd talk about things or watch porn but not follow through which i found really frustrating because i prefer action over talk and found that approach boring

that being said i have a female aquarius heavy friend and her and i have been very physically affectionate with each other since we first met and it's never felt unnatural for us to hug or anything, complete opposite, and there's no wall with her

she lacks water too but her venus is conjunct my moon/descendant (opposite my venus square my mars), my sun is conjunct her ic and opposite her sun/moon, her pluto is conjunct my venus/ascendant (also square my mars) so that could be it, just a stronger synastry for that sort of thing

saturn does a lot of negative **** in my synastry with the guy i mentioned, lot of blocks

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posted April 21, 2019 10:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Look closer into that Mars/Chiron conjunction. Is Mars square Moon in Cap? I sense sexual shyness. This especially if Mars/Chiron is sitting in his 5th house and his 8th house cusp ( Cancer) ruler Moon is in Cap (Saturn rules modesty and limitation).

My Dad has the conjunction of Mars/Chiron and it often suggests a preoccupation with being seen as "masculine" or maybe a fear of people "finding out" how fearful and unsure of yourself you are.

When we are sexual, we let people into ourselves. And for some people it can be very trauma inducing and surface defensiveness or "coldness" because of feelings of being "inferior".

In men, this could often mean issues with penis size or sexual "prowess".Feeling pressured to "live up" to something you are ill experienced with(this especially when Saturn is in the mix).

With women, it could manifest in not feeling "feminine" or attractive.Not the one likely to be found "desirable" or seen as "sexy" etc.this especially when Venus is in the mix,there could be issues with the physical looks or feminine "endowments" (or lack thereof).

My Dad was sexually taken advantage of by an older female.As such,I think that his preoccupation with sex and less with emotional bonding(he is also Cap Moon conj Saturn though), has more to do with how one (emotions) was stunted or regressed in comparison to the other(Mars)

He is extremely touchy and hot headed(Pluto conjuncts Mars).But his passion is more "anger" and "disruption" than warm and building. Its easier for him to repress feelings of tenderness or vulnerability whilst easier for him to express anger and hostility.

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Aries23Degrees
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posted April 21, 2019 10:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Look closer into that Mars/Chiron conjunction. Is Mars square Moon in Cap? I sense sexual shyness. This especially if Mars/Chiron is sitting in his 5th house and his 8th house cusp ( Cancer) ruler Moon is in Cap (Saturn rules modesty and limitation).

My Dad has the opposition of Mars/Chiron and it often suggests a preoccupation with being seen as "masculine"(Mars) or maybe a fear of people "finding out" how fearful and unsure of yourself you are.

When we are sexual, we let people into ourselves. And for some people it can be very trauma inducing and surface defensiveness or "coldness" because of feelings of being "inferior".

In men, this could often mean issues with penis size or sexual "prowess".Feeling pressured to "live up" to something you are ill experienced with(this especially when Saturn is in the mix).

With women, it could manifest in not feeling "feminine" or attractive.Not the one likely to be found "desirable" or seen as "sexy" etc.this especially when Venus is in the mix,there could be issues with the physical looks or feminine "endowments" (or lack thereof).

My Dad was sexually taken advantage of by an older female.As such,I think that his preoccupation with sex and less with emotional bonding(he is also Cap Moon conj Saturn though), has more to do with how one (emotions) was stunted or regressed in comparison to the other(Mars)

He is extremely touchy and hot headed(Pluto conjuncts Mars).But his passion is more "anger" and "disruption" than warm and building. Its easier for him to repress feelings of tenderness or vulnerability whilst easier for him to express anger and hostility.

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jjj
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posted April 21, 2019 04:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jjj     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the replies.

Im heavy on water and I had in the past short relationships with waterly men and it never worked out, although the attraction was strong. I seem to drown with water men lol. I always attracted Aqua venus and moon men, he is the first Aqua sun. I guess my Aqua NN draws me to these men.

Also, my cappy-scorpio mix makes me very stubborn and independent and I crave a strong and stubborn man... but when I find one, our egos clash. I feel very competitive with this Aqua too (we have Sun-Mars square DW).

My water component wants to merge completely and I feel that he is uncomfortable with that. Its weird, but its impossible to kiss him, as he doesnt come along and kisses become smooches (is that the right word lol?) pretty quickly and it becomes funny and turns me off. Its as if every attempt to become passionate with him soon turns into funny/childish cuddling. Its hard to explain.... its as if he feels uncomfortable with passion and prefers to be cozy/cuddly (fatherly?), but not sexual.

It might be the Chiron sitting on his Mars and blocking him... also, in our synastry my Saturn squares his Sun/Venus and my Venus squares his Mars. His Mars is not much involved. It can be that these Saturn squares block us so badly://.

I link our synastry (also tables) and natals.

He is much more affectionate when communicating via messages/phone than in person. Like someone put it, it can be shyness... the feeling that sexuality is something frivolous, not important (Cap moon?), or he doesnt deserve it, it s uncomfortable... he was also worried about his performance at the beginning (sigh).

By contrast, he is very flirty with females and a great dancer and a big socialiser and a great dad.. just being one-to-one seems not to be his favourite pastime. But in theory he wants nothing more that "having someone" and "having a normal family life".

I dont like flirty men especially much, but he has been very persistent in pursuing me and has been very clear that he wants me... for a long term r/s. He has also a warm and jovial quality that draws me to him. There is some father-daughter dynamics, although we are the same age, damn... maybe this is the reason he cant be passionate with me lol. And I really fancy him (at least until now), so its a torture to be under the same roof with this man... and not much is happening.

his natal: https://i.imgur.com/j9UvQ9Z
my natal: https://imgur.com/FApeAhV
synastry (me inside): https://imgur.com/1Tx8XXX
synastry tables (me first person): https://imgur.com/TKRo8pf

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posted April 22, 2019 07:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stoika7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by jjj:
Thanks for the replies.

Im heavy on water and I had in the past short relationships with waterly men and it never worked out, although the attraction was strong. I seem to drown with water men lol. I always attracted Aqua venus and moon men, he is the first Aqua sun. I guess my Aqua NN draws me to these men.

Also, my cappy-scorpio mix makes me very stubborn and independent and I crave a strong and stubborn man... but when I find one, our egos clash. I feel very competitive with this Aqua too (we have Sun-Mars square DW).

My water component wants to merge completely and I feel that he is uncomfortable with that. Its weird, but its impossible to kiss him, as he doesnt come along and kisses become smooches (is that the right word lol?) pretty quickly and it becomes funny and turns me off. Its as if every attempt to become passionate with him soon turns into funny/childish cuddling. Its hard to explain.... its as if he feels uncomfortable with passion and prefers to be cozy/cuddly (fatherly?), but not sexual.

It might be the Chiron sitting on his Mars and blocking him... also, in our synastry my Saturn squares his Sun/Venus and my Venus squares his Mars. His Mars is not much involved. It can be that these Saturn squares block us so badly://.

I link our synastry (also tables) and natals.

He is much more affectionate when communicating via messages/phone than in person. Like someone put it, it can be shyness... the feeling that sexuality is something frivolous, not important (Cap moon?), or he doesnt deserve it, it s uncomfortable... he was also worried about his performance at the beginning (sigh).

By contrast, he is very flirty with females and a great dancer and a big socialiser and a great dad.. just being one-to-one seems not to be his favourite pastime. But in theory he wants nothing more that "having someone" and "having a normal family life".

I dont like flirty men especially much, but he has been very persistent in pursuing me and has been very clear that he wants me... for a long term r/s. He has also a warm and jovial quality that draws me to him. There is some father-daughter dynamics, although we are the same age, damn... maybe this is the reason he cant be passionate with me lol. And I really fancy him (at least until now), so its a torture to be under the same roof with this man... and not much is happening.

his natal: https://i.imgur.com/j9UvQ9Z
my natal: https://imgur.com/FApeAhV
synastry (me inside): https://imgur.com/1Tx8XXX
synastry tables (me first person): https://imgur.com/TKRo8pf


It is not you, it's him... First thing is that his Aquarius Sun/Venus is afflicted in second house with Chiron in the same house... he seems to feel very uncomfortable about his own body and the physical dimension. Chiron here clearly talks of such kind of wound and about a deep lack of self value in this realm... Moreover, his Cappy Moon/Mercury makes him very rational, it's hard for him to express his emotions, which are actually deep (Moon/Mercury trine Pluto). He looks like an intellectual person with very open and advanced ideas, he looks like having a lively creativity, he might be socially popoular for this, but at the same time he keeps much of it locked inside, he actually has a deep lack of confidence about his intellectual skills, and at the same time needs to nurture this aspect of his personality and rationality in every aspect of his private life to gain such confidence. Maybe, he's been unlucky in developing his talents, or he has had property and financial issues, or he finds comfort in material ownership more than on his inner balance, in any case he might not be satisfied of what he has gained in life... Even though he might not express it, he has a very compassionate and selfless spirit and might find his own self value in supporting/helping others. He might easily be victim of betrayal and psychological abuse. He might have had relationship issues with his mother... His Mars in Aries in quite reactive and he's not a "self-pity" person. He's a very reliable person one can always count on.
I think he's actually very attracted by you and he might feel a deep feeling of affection towards you. He might really feel committed to you. He admires you and loves your intellectual interaction, even though your union might be unusual for you both and there might be a sense of insecurity about each others' feelings. There is certainly a "physical/emotional" block (his Moon conjunct your Mercury in your 6th house, your Venus/Mars on his 10th house square his Sun/Venus AND his Saturn on your Moon... Your Mars conjunct his Chiron square Mercury/Venus... The block is really coming from his own issues, not from your r/s on its own... but this aspect suggests you might help him gain more confidence and support him in dealing with this... you might also talk about this in the open because he trusts you on an emotional level (Mercury/Moon)... I think this is the core aspect between you two. If you like, you might post also a Composite chart to see how Chiron plays out in there.

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posted April 22, 2019 04:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jjj     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow Stoika, thank you so much!!! I guess you analysed yourself a bit in him lol. Thanks for suggesting it's not all us. I know, I know I have bad issues myself - natal Saturn opposing my Venus/Mars and this opposition squares his Venus/Sun/Juno. Im projecting my self-esteem issues on him too and its not nice.

You are very spot on about him feeling that somehow he has not succeeded in life materially/talentwise... he didnt follow any studies and just took over his family farm and has been gaining very little profit. You are also right about him helping selflessly others - he does it all the time, Pisces NN I guess. He is really good to others and sometimes doesnt care about himself, even not eating properly.

Its hard to believe that he might feel not connected with his body and even unattractive - when I first saw him I thought that he was one of the most handsome men I had seen! He swept me off feet. But he often makes remarks a la "who would notice me" etc. To me he also feels very Uranian with his Moon-Uranus-Mars connection. Maybe this Uranus theme makes one less connected to the body as well, all about mind/spirit.

Its nice to hear that maybe we could help each other with our issues... Im not ready to throw the gun in the bush just yet... I guess I need to relax about the whole physical intimacy thing and just give it time.

PS you are right about his Moon cj my Mercury ON MY DC being the most important aspect.

Here is the composite. Interesting that Chiron and Juno are sitting on the AC. Magi astrology would say - lovers forever, but no marriage lol.

Compo: https://imgur.com/q9UshTq
compo tables: https://imgur.com/rhE7kle

PSS Wow I see that our combined AC-DC and IC-MC give a perfect grand cross. Juno/Chiron on AC and Pluto on DC and Venus on MC. Ugh.


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posted April 23, 2019 12:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stoika7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Wow Stoika, thank you so much!!! I guess you analysed yourself a bit in him lol.

Ahahah! Mostly about the intellectual part, LOL ! I have my Piesces ASC though which makes me extremely emotional and totally unable of self-control, so there are a few differences :-)))

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Thanks for suggesting it's not all us. I know, I know I have bad issues myself - natal Saturn opposing my Venus/Mars and this opposition squares his Venus/Sun/Juno. Im projecting my self-esteem issues on him too and its not nice.

Honestly, I had focused especially on his natal and the synastry, to understand how this all would play out for him more than you (since you had already expressed your feelings a little in the post), so I didn't notice this about you, but I will eventually look furtherly.

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You are very spot on about him feeling that somehow he has not succeeded in life materially/talentwise... he didnt follow any studies and just took over his family farm and has been gaining very little profit. You are also right about him helping selflessly others - he does it all the time, Pisces NN I guess. He is really good to others and sometimes doesnt care about himself, even not eating properly.

True... I especially got this from his Chiron in Piesces/2nd house, and NN linked to this says clearly that his "karmic" way to gain self-awareness and self-confidence goes through compassion and selflessness, it might even appear as a life purpose.

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Its hard to believe that he might feel not connected with his body and even unattractive - when I first saw him I thought that he was one of the most handsome men I had seen! He swept me off feet. But he often makes remarks a la "who would notice me" etc. To me he also feels very Uranian with his Moon-Uranus-Mars connection. Maybe this Uranus theme makes one less connected to the body as well, all about mind/spirit.

Yes, his natal Uranus in 9th house here works like a liberator towards an "higher mind" level from that earthly dimension he feels uncomfortable in, but the root of such uneasiness is still Chiron in 2nd house and this is emphatized by his Aquarius Sun/Venus in this same "earthly" house square Saturn in 10th... this all talks of a self-value wound and insecurity about his core "physical identity" and perception.

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Its nice to hear that maybe we could help each other with our issues... Im not ready to throw the gun in the bush just yet... I guess I need to relax about the whole physical intimacy thing and just give it time.

I see that he extremely needs to gain more confidence towards his own identity and talents... maybe more than time, he might likely need someone who's able to help him "open his mind" about such issue but in a way he can feel comfortable with, not pressed (well, this is a typical Aqua thing, to escape in denial if pressed!), and he maybe never met someone like that before... I'm obviosly aware what an harsh task this can be, but the Composite chart confirms what I had seen in synastry about your "Chiron" relationship. Here Composite Chiron is on first house/Aries ASC with Juno, square Comp. Venus, and enhanced by Jupiter. This tells me of a potential union of "healing" and release having to do with "identity" (Aries/first house), while NN is in 11th house, square the Neptune/Moon conjunction. These are binding karmic aspects, but not easy ones. It all is very vulnerable cause it triggers each others' individual "wounds" and sensitiveness, and the Neptune/Moon conjunction in 8th house says that your intimacy can potentially become very deep... at the same time, the Comp. Uranus squares greatly challenge an emotional balance and especially threatening Venus in 9th house, which is the "higher mind" house showing what your emotional interaction is potentially about (a form of "higher love")... The Comp. chart ruler Mars sits with Sun and Mercury in 10th house, that is actually the house of your "physical issue" (Capricorn). The Comp. Saturn trine to that is actually "binding" you there. The NN in 11th house square to Neptune and Venus mainly says that such intimate bond has chance to be kept alive through complicity, empathy, selflessness, comapanionship. Since this bond looks karmic, eventually the outcome will depend on what you both choose to make of it and let go. But it looks like a life-changing r/s, even though it might not be long term or even be short lived, it looks like you both might potentially gain a lot in terms of self value and self-awarenss together. This is also what that Grand Cross you have noticed might actually sum up.

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posted April 23, 2019 02:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jjj     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you again, Stoika, for giving this insight! I really needed to hear this and detach myself and look at him with different eyes. Today we had a very pleasant day and these physical issues just solved lol.
I could relax and relate to him differently and it helped so much!
You pointed out his II house emphasis and he is indeed very taurean (also appearance-wise) and with my natal Taurus-Scorpio oppositions his Taurean (Venusian) theme is something im not comfortable with and probably learning through him... me providing the scorpio side here and he the Taurus side. Anyway, I tried to look at him differently, that he might also struggle with his issues and I stopped being so concentrated on myself... might be the Chiron thing working here.

And yes, our r/s has felt very very special from the beginning, a totally different, fated feel.

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posted April 23, 2019 06:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stoika7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by jjj:
Thank you again, Stoika, for giving this insight! I really needed to hear this and detach myself and look at him with different eyes. Today we had a very pleasant day and these physical issues just solved lol.
I could relax and relate to him differently and it helped so much!
You pointed out his II house emphasis and he is indeed very taurean (also appearance-wise) and with my natal Taurus-Scorpio oppositions his Taurean (Venusian) theme is something im not comfortable with and probably learning through him... me providing the scorpio side here and he the Taurus side. Anyway, I tried to look at him differently, that he might also struggle with his issues and I stopped being so concentrated on myself... might be the Chiron thing working here.

And yes, our r/s has felt very very special from the beginning, a totally different, fated feel.


That's good news :-))
Well, your natal Aries Chiron in 11th house is quite supportive, and looking furtherly at your natal, I think again that you both might actually support each others... Your natal Saturn in the same house seems to have given you a burden in social relationships (as well as Chiron) and it seems to be harsh on your self-value as well in your emotional life, the Scorpio 5th house, that is actually the realm where you should find more comfort... His Mars/3rd house (on your Chiron) and his Capricorn Moon (on your Mercury) look supportive to you to find that comfort somehow, so maybe your interaction might find his best way towards intimacy via this emotional/intellectual exchange of mutual understanding... and in fact, looking at the Composite now, I see that Comp. Mercury and Mars are right there with the Comp. Sun sextile to Jupiter. And, those planets are in the 10th house of Capricon, so it actually looks like that, eventually, an "earthly" interaction between you two might not be a mirage (Sun/Mars trine Pluto in 8th) :-)

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