posted April 29, 2019 03:51 PM            

I was reading Bob Marks astrology page about the proper way to do synastry...

He says to cast a Davison chart between the two lovers and then use that chart to do synastry with the charts of the two people individually

This is supposed to give you a much more accurate understanding of how the relationship itself affects partners within it.

So here's my confusion...I made a Davison chart and did the synastry with my own natal chart...How would I go about interpreting the aspects? Would the Mars sqaure moon that I see there mean that the relationship itself is going to cause me alot of hurt feelings and or resentments?

What would the double-whammy mean in this case? Am I bringing the emotional turmoil to the relationship as well?

Also, if you choose to go this route where does the composite fit in to the overall understanding of the relationship? because it my case it's quite different from the Davison...

And (as if all of this didn't raise enough questions) Bob Marks says you can create an entirely new natal chart for each person in the relationship this is called a 'Marks chart' named after himself...

You do this by taking the Davison chart and the natal horoscope of each individual and then making another Davison chart with each of them (if you're reading this and you're new to astrology I use astro.com to do all of this)

This marks chart uncovers another layer of how the relationship affects each of the individuals within it

On his chart he gives a detailed analysis of Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky which seems to be pretty accurate but I'm having some trouble doing this for my own relationships...

Has anyone else in these forums ever tried to 'decipher' Davisons and Marks charts? I think there is real knowledge and insight that can be gleaned from them but I'm just having a little bit of trouble putting it all together

posted May 02, 2019 02:57 AM            

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Originally posted by EmGem:
Hmmmm interesting...
How do you cast a marks chart with Astro.com ??

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posted May 02, 2019 03:52 AM            

Creating individual synastries using Davison creates too much confusion for me. I stopped at Marks chart.

I used to wonder if Davison is reliable but a number of astrologers said they do use Davison so I'm gonna still hold on to it.

The Chinese astrologers believe that Composite shows all the possible themes in a r/s and the Davison shows what you experienced in real-life and the longer you're together, the Davison becomes more real.

As to how each person feels... most will say look at synastries but based on what I've seen so far, it may not completely paint the story (e.g. you can have Venus trine Mars with someone and don't feel sexually attracted). Then people say look at houses... yet others have claimed different houses to be their soft spots. So IMO Synastry contacts are very subjective.

I like Composites... it shows with good accuracy the themes in a r/s but again not 100%. I've seen aspects which people say indicate infidelity or the guy being unstable but I didn't see it happen. I've also had Saturn r/s which only lasted 2-mths. So again very subjective. They also say to check how the planets connect with individual natal... if it's connected the r/s will be significant to that person. I haven't confirmed this to be accurate as well because I checked a long-term couple's Composite where the c.planets are not touching his natal personal planets but aspecting many of the woman's natal planets/points. Because I know how much he has invested in the r/s so it's impossible that it's not significant to him.

posted May 02, 2019 01:31 PM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
Create a Davison chart, save it, then create a new Davison chart using the saved chart + your natal.

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posted May 02, 2019 04:34 PM            

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Originally posted by EmGem:
This sounds weird but I don’t know how to save the chart lol. I did don’t know you could. I’m using it as a guest, not signed up or anything. Is that why?

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posted May 08, 2019 05:27 AM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
@plutonian105,

Creating individual synastries using Davison creates too much confusion for me. I stopped at Marks chart.

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Once you create a Davison chart and save it on astro.com just go back to chart selection, select the Davison chart in the section that says 'Horoscope for' and in the section that says 'Partner' choose either yourself -- if you want to see how the relationship affects you -- or choose your S/O to see how the relationship will affect them...you would read it like any other synastry

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
@plutonian105,
The Chinese astrologers believe that Composite shows all the possible themes in a r/s and the Davison shows what you experienced in real-life and the longer you're together, the Davison becomes more real.

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Composites are meant to predict how the partners in a relationship will interact with the outside world after a few years together...they must be in a relationship with their energies feeding into one another otherwise it doesn't count...with a Davison relationship chart it's better at predicting what will tend to happen in a relationship as a whole even if the two individuals don't meet

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
@plutonian105,
As to how each person feels... most will say look at synastries but based on what I've seen so far, it may not completely paint the story (e.g. you can have Venus trine Mars with someone and don't feel sexually attracted). Then people say look at houses... yet others have claimed different houses to be their soft spots. So IMO Synastry contacts are very subjective.

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It's because of this 'anomalies' like this that Davison and Marks charts were developed in the first place...FYI I've always found Venus-Mars contacts to be somewhat overrated...Pluto contacts (or Mars-Moon contacts) paint a much better picture for attraction

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
@plutonian105,I like Composites... it shows with good accuracy the themes in a r/s but again not 100%. I've seen aspects which people say indicate infidelity or the guy being unstable but I didn't see it happen. I've also had Saturn r/s which only lasted 2-mths. So again very subjective. They also say to check how the planets connect with individual natal... if it's connected the r/s will be significant to that person. I haven't confirmed this to be accurate as well because I checked a long-term couple's Composite where the c.planets are not touching his natal personal planets but aspecting many of the woman's natal planets/points. Because I know how much he has invested in the r/s so it's impossible that it's not significant to him.

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Again, with composites they tend to become more and more accurate after years have been invested...try casting a Davison chart to get a better picture...

As far as Saturn contacts I'm not sure what the aspects were or how many of them there were but you need to let the fullness of time run it's course with Saturn...

I knew a girl back when I was in high school...there was always 'something' (attraction, magnetism, pick your adjective) but for some reason things never really got off the ground in romantic sense...

Fast forward 15 years when we (randomly) reconnected after not seeing or speaking to each other for that entire time...only to discover that the emotions felt on both sides were drastically different from what we showed each other...I took a look at our synastry and saw (among other things) Saturn trine Venus - the aspect of sincere, enduring, love

But it took 15 years for this reality to crystallize THAT's Saturn

Also, for what it's worth our Composite is full of Neptune and Piscean energy and the Davison has HEAVY Pluto and Scorpio energy.

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
@plutonian105For Marks Chart... so far I find it rather accurate in describing how each behaves in a r/s so I'm interested to hear others' experience with it.

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posted May 08, 2019 06:19 AM            

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Originally posted by plutonian105:
Composites are meant to predict how the partners in a relationship will interact with the outside world after a few years together...

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Really? Then why are interpretations on Composite always about how the couple relate to each other?

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Again, with composites they tend to become more and more accurate after years have been invested...try casting a Davison chart to get a better picture...

As far as Saturn contacts I'm not sure what the aspects were or how many of them there were but you need to let the fullness of time run it's course with Saturn...

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The couple I mentioned has been together almost 30yrs.

I don't think Saturn take THAT long (in your case, 15yrs) to realise. How many relationships last that long anyway? But people still feel their Saturn contacts... just that things play out little by little over time until you see the entire manifestation. Also, using friendship e.g. isn't very accurate unless you're very close, long-time friends. I get along real well with my friend of 15yrs even though we've a lot of Saturn squares in Composite. Didn't seem so harsh on us because we're not always together.

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Since you can't have a Marks chart without a Davison chart and since you think the Marks charts are accurate that only speaks to the strength/accuracy of Davison charts

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I'm not disputing Davison. I think it has its merits... I'm just still not sure if Davison or Composite is more accurate because our planets & placements in both charts are so similar! In fact, our Davison looks more "gentle" so I do hope it's a more accurate depiction of our r/s. 😁

posted May 08, 2019 03:43 PM            

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Originally posted by plutonian105:
Since you can't have a Marks chart without a Davison chart and since you think the Marks charts are accurate that only speaks to the strength/accuracy of Davison charts

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