posted June 07, 2019 10:08 AM            

I am trying to determine Bobby Misner's rising sign. He is very tall - approx 6ft 5.

I've noticed he has quite a bony face with fairly close-set eyes which can look a bit tearful at times. Initially, I wanted to go for Aries given his bony looking face and height, then I changed to Pisces for the watery looking eyes and the misfit he belives he is, and then Capricorn for the height alone. As you can tell, I can't lock it down!

Any thoughts/opinions gratefully received. HL

posted June 07, 2019 12:27 PM            

I decided Leo ASC as soon as I saw his style and eyes, also I feel like he likes to show off. Then the rest would fit perfectly in his chart.

His Mars in 1st would give more of a bony/rectangular face than Leo ASC normally does. Also his height would make sense combining both Leo and Aries occupying his first.

Saturn/Cap in 1st are on the shorter side height wise. Saturnian ASC doesn't dress like that and doesn't feel like he's showing off. I sense more class and sophistication from Saturnian ASCs which he lacks. Also he looks like a boy instead of a man/"daddy". Saturnian ASC have a lean bony body, he is lean but it's more on the athletic style if that makes sense. Also Saturnian ASC doesn't give that air of confidence, they are more reserved and serious looking.

In a pic his body type and the way he was standing was identical to my cousin's and another Leo ASC man I know.

Also something on his face gets on my nerves and that usually happens with Aries ASC and/or Mars in 1st. He is boyish in a Leo/Aries kind of way and I feel like he wants to give the "bad boy" image.

Pluto in 4th H along with Jupiter in there is a classic "my daddy is rich" placement. Pluto by itself would be enough but Jupiter magnifies it especially since his Jupiter is super strong so I could see how he was born in a multi millionaire family.

His Jupiter in 4th H conjuncting his 5th H would be ideal in multiple ways. I may be wrong but I feel like he is overdoing it when it comes to having "fun" (5th H Jupiter which is strong in its sign).

Also I bet having lots of women is kind of expected since he's rich but it would be too obvious in his chart if he has Leo ASC. His 8th H Saturn is too weak and is ruled by his Neptune which would be in or conjuncting his 7th H along with Uranus.
So it wouldn't be a surprise if his love life is a mess because he doesn't take it seriously combining his 5th, 7th and 8th H in Pisces (also ruled by Neptune).

His Moon in Cancer or in 12th H would give that watery feeling you get.

Even though his eyes are kind of watery, their shape is also Leo like.
English is not my first language and I don't know how to describe it accurately but his eyes seem closer to each other and his pupils are huge compared to his eye size which is small.
I find this shape very similar to Selena's Gomez and other Leo ASCs

That would make his Neptune opposite his ASC making things a bit softer and more confusing which maybe gived you that Piscean vibe you're talking about.

posted June 07, 2019 02:06 PM            

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Originally posted by Plut0nian2:
Also he looks like a boy instead of a man/"daddy".

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posted June 08, 2019 04:24 AM            

He "appears" to be showy but in an understated way. He lets his things do the talking for him but I think its all put on show for social media status as opposed to him really being like that. He's adopted this "Billionaire's son" tag to amp up his SM status and to do something with his life. He's quite softly spoken and does have a mischeavious quality about him but he alwyays appears to be good natured. So I am not sure the Leo asc suits him but given your argument, I am not sure that I could rule it out altogether.

I am still more drawn to Aries though.

I've updated his chart to reflect a Leo ascendant and included a new shot from his YT channel.

posted June 08, 2019 09:18 PM            

I didn't know he was on youtube.
I checked them and now I feel that:

• He sounds so superficial, I think it's really rare for someone to sound (both his way of talking, how he's talking and what's he's saying).

• He's talking about how this life is so exciting but it doesn't really seem like he really enjoys it to the point that I'm wondering even if this is all true, he sounds so detached like he's reading what he says without understnding it, he tries his best to be convincing but he fails.
It feels more like he is doing it just for the experience. And indeed I don't feel he's a show off even though in all his video that's what he basically does.

• From his pics I just thought he has watery eyes (eyes' vibe=Moon) that's all. From his video though his watery Moon is too apparent to me. His eyes have some kind of warmth and he doesn't really look like a bad person, more like an immature silly kid trying to get attention for some reason (maybe in order to make money or avhive something else).
I feel like he has some kind of emotional pain/void but his brain is too superficial to understand/process it (or he hasn't matured/figured out how to do it yet).

• He doesn't have as an angular face actually as it seemed in the few of his pics I saw. His face shape, his thin lips and the way his mouth moves when he's speaking are making me think of mutable signs especially Gemini and Pisces.

• He doesn't seem like a bad person, more like a silly innocent kid that is kind of easily affected by others, like he tries to fit.

What is your opinion?

High height is usual with Aries/Mars, Leo, Gemini, Sag and Aqua. He's skinny with long limbs and that is usually a Gemini trait, it could be Aqua too. Sag ASCs can have long limbs too, but all the men I've known with this ASC have a bulkier body.

His style unlike the pics that I happened to see is simple. Gemini, Aqua style (I know Aqua is supposed to be eccentric/shocking but depending on the rest of the chart it can be extreme with just one part of his appearance like the hair, while the rest may appear too serious/aloof, almost Cap like).
Pisces tends to change according its environment and it's a confusing ASC is every Piscean planet actually.

The problem is he has Gemini, Leo, Aries and Sag planets already in his natal chart. I remember a member in here asking us to guess her ASC and I literally couldn't decide between just one or two signs, I said 6 (I know..) but she had all 5-6 of them in her natal chart just like this guy.

* He uses his hands when he talks (Gemini trait). I have Mercury in 1st and I use my hands too but not much.

Also I'm not having Pluto and Jupiter in 4th as a standard anymore because he mentioned that one day his dad (with whom he wasn't close before) became a millionaire. That could be indicated by and Uranus/Pluto transit in his 2nd/4th/8th/10th H or other progressions/solar arcs/return etc. (depending on the rest of the his chart).

I checked all possible birth times checking how his houses' signs and placements would change every hour or half an hour depending on the results. Some seemed to make sense to me more than others but we don't really know much about him. If I had to choose just by his appearance it would be Gemini and then Pisces because of the confusing nature of Pisces

Considering the rest of his house placements (from the few things we know and from what I sense after seeing his videos) Gemini, Libra and Aqua ASC all make sense, coincidentally it's the 3 air signs. With an Aqua ASC his Moon goes in Leo but makes an exact opposition to his Neptune so we have 2 in 1, the water is still there and the Leo eyeshape too. Also his Aqua ASC will be conjunct his Neptune and Uranus.

As a Gemini though he should sound/look smarter, as an Aqua even though he kind of feels detached he doesn't have any shock/unique/weird/original Aqua vibe imo

posted June 08, 2019 09:20 PM            

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Originally posted by kani:

Do you think? I think he does not look "manly" either but he easily looks 10 years or even older than he is.

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posted June 09, 2019 03:26 AM            

I don't get the vibe that he is a bad person – just someone trying to break into something and using the first thing at their disposal – wealth. His family are new money and so fitting into this new world of wealth is not as easy as he is trying to make it look. He was 15 when his father become super wealthy.
I think his face does look a little angular with a dish type jaw which I think is his Cancer moon coming through.

I've noted that he doesn't speak fluently and easily when not recording a script. In his social media he seems to falter a little bit.
I can see the Pisces thing more and more actually because I do wonder about the influence of substances – he did post a now deleted pic of a blunt. He looks like he barely sleeps. He gives off quite a sweet, good-natured vibe.

posted June 11, 2019 03:01 PM            

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Originally posted by manderin:
If he is the son of a billionaire AND also had a very emotionally supportive childhood he is likely to have a very strong second house. That could help you determine his ascendant as well.

The second house is about the support we are born into/ already have. Material support (money) as well as emotional/social support from the family.

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Thanks Manderin. His parents were divorced when he was still very young (I think under 7 but not confirmed yet) and he lived with his mum and baby sister. When he was 15 his father sold his company for hundreds of millions and that is when his life changed. He moved to the UK, was enrolled into private school, etc. He does speak very highly of his mother and appears to have a very loving relationship with his father too.