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Topic: Do you think this astrological trick is true?
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manderin Knowflake Posts: 794 From: New York, NY USA Registered: Nov 2013
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posted July 02, 2019 12:09 AM
I noticed that in the long term marriages I know of, this trick actually holds true, but I wonder if it's a coincidence or if most people also see this in the long relationships they know too. I'd be interested in you guys's imput. The vedic astrological matching system has something called Stree Deergha. Which basically means that the man's moon must be the shortest distance to the woman's moon across the astrological wheel.
If you look at an astrological synastry wheel you count counter-clockwise from the first house to the 12th. So for example if a woman's moon is in cancer then it is ideal for the man's moon to be in a sign like taurus because then his moon is only 2 signs away from hers and her moon is 10 signs away from his. The claim is that if there is a shorter distance in counting the signs from the man's moon to the woman's moon then it is ideal for a relationship. But if the shorter distance is between the woman's moon to the man then the relationship will eventually suffer because the man will get uninterested in the relationship over time. If the woman's moon is in cancer and the man's moon is in virgo, that means that she is only 2 signs away from his moon, but he is 10 signs away from hers. This is not ideal.
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Bismarck2 Knowflake Posts: 360 From: Registered: Mar 2019
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posted July 02, 2019 06:25 AM
Here's an explanation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYJAczhiGPE I'll also mention that I think India has a divorce rate hovering around 1%, and all their marriages are arranged using astrology, I believe. IP: Logged |
Brenda_S Knowflake Posts: 723 From: Registered: Sep 2018
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posted July 02, 2019 11:08 AM
I wonder what an Aries Moon woman would do... Basically her fate is to marry an earlier degrees Aries Moon. And woe to her if she's a 1 degree Aries Moon 😆IP: Logged |
Bismarck2 Knowflake Posts: 360 From: Registered: Mar 2019
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posted July 02, 2019 11:18 AM
quote: Originally posted by Brenda_S: I wonder what an Aries Moon woman would do... Basically her fate is to marry an earlier degrees Aries Moon. And woe to her if she's a 1 degree Aries Moon 😆
I don't get it. Why not marry a pisces, aquarius, etc.? IP: Logged |
Dons2angelss Knowflake Posts: 401 From: Virginia, US Registered: Jan 2019
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posted July 02, 2019 11:41 AM
I'm pretty sure the divorce rate is so low because the stigma attached to it, not necessarily because of happiness with each other. Women face a lot of abuse in India still and it has a horrible reputation for treating women like crap. I wouldn't count on astrology to help build a low divorce rate case. IP: Logged |
Hikaru29 Knowflake Posts: 1904 From: Asia Registered: Nov 2018
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posted July 02, 2019 12:17 PM
My Moon in Sag, his Moon in Libra. Is this ideal?How about if his Moon in Leo? Still ideal? IP: Logged |
Brenda_S Knowflake Posts: 723 From: Registered: Sep 2018
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posted July 02, 2019 12:38 PM
quote: Originally posted by Bismarck2: I don't get it. Why not marry a pisces, aquarius, etc.?
So you can count clockwise and counter clockwise? I guess I misunderstood it. Thought that Pisces will be 12 signs away from Aries vs 1. IP: Logged |
Hikaru29 Knowflake Posts: 1904 From: Asia Registered: Nov 2018
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posted July 02, 2019 02:55 PM
quote: Originally posted by Brenda_S: So you can count clockwise and counter clockwise? I guess I misunderstood it. Thought that Pisces will be 12 signs away from Aries vs 1.
Surely Aries cannot be the only sign to get the short end of the stick? I look at it counter-clockwise so Aqua will be 2 signs behind Aries. Am I right? IP: Logged |
Bismarck2 Knowflake Posts: 360 From: Registered: Mar 2019
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posted July 02, 2019 03:46 PM
quote: Originally posted by Hikaru29: My Moon in Sag, his Moon in Libra. Is this ideal?How about if his Moon in Leo? Still ideal?
It's good up to 7 signs(directly opposite) clockwise(if you're a woman looking at a man's moon), or counter-clockwise if you're a man. So if you're a woman and your moon is in Aries, men with Libra, Scorpio, Sag, Cap, Aquarius, and Pisces moons are good. If you're a man and your moon is in Aries, women with Taurus, Gemini, Cancer, Leo, Virgo, and Libra moons are good. IP: Logged |
LaceyLeigh Knowflake Posts: 1236 From: Registered: Jul 2014
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posted July 02, 2019 11:06 PM
What if he/she is gay/lesbian?IP: Logged |
manderin Knowflake Posts: 794 From: New York, NY USA Registered: Nov 2013
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posted July 02, 2019 11:28 PM
I think if the couple is gay/lesbian it doesn't really matter.The trick says that the reason men's moon must be closer to the woman than vice-versa is because men in general tend to find less value in holding a relationship. So apparently this helps the man retain gus interest in the bond. Well anyway I'm seeing someone who's moon is two signs after mine and I'm the female so I'm kinda hoping this trick isn't true, but it would be interesting if anyone knows long term happy marriages without it. It's not the only thing they look at in matching, but it is one of the main things. IP: Logged |
Hikaru29 Knowflake Posts: 1904 From: Asia Registered: Nov 2018
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posted July 03, 2019 12:48 PM
quote: Originally posted by Bismarck2: It's good up to 7 signs(directly opposite) clockwise(if you're a woman looking at a man's moon), or counter-clockwise if you're a man. So if you're a woman and your moon is in Aries, men with Libra, Scorpio, Sag, Cap, Aquarius, and Pisces moons are good. If you're a man and your moon is in Aries, women with Taurus, Gemini, Cancer, Leo, Virgo, and Libra moons are good.
I see... I've a Sag Moon so Scorpio/Libra/Virgo/Leo/Cancer/Gemini Moon suit me. My 1st bf has Gemini Moon; 2nd guy has Leo Moon; 3rd guy has Libra Moon. I guess no coincidence after all. Then again, these are all signs of the same or compatible elements as my Moon. What happens if the Moons are not compatible? My friend also has a Sag Moon and her bf has a Pisces Moon. Will it end up with her feeling like she's "chasing after" him while he loses interest over time? What about same Moon signs? IP: Logged |
SadalSuud211 Knowflake Posts: 78 From: Melbourne, Florida, USA Registered: May 2018
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posted July 03, 2019 01:37 PM
quote: Originally posted by Dons2angelss: I'm pretty sure the divorce rate is so low because the stigma attached to it, not necessarily because of happiness with each other. Women face a lot of abuse in India still and it has a horrible reputation for treating women like crap. I wouldn't count on astrology to help build a low divorce rate case.
So glad someone else said this 🙏 IP: Logged |
SeaGoat Knowflake Posts: 148 From: Here and there. Registered: Sep 2018
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posted July 03, 2019 02:05 PM
quote: Originally posted by Dons2angelss: I'm pretty sure the divorce rate is so low because the stigma attached to it, not necessarily because of happiness with each other. Women face a lot of abuse in India still and it has a horrible reputation for treating women like crap. I wouldn't count on astrology to help build a low divorce rate case.
YES!! So glad you said that! IP: Logged |
Bismarck2 Knowflake Posts: 360 From: Registered: Mar 2019
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posted July 03, 2019 03:25 PM
quote: Originally posted by Hikaru29: I see... I've a Sag Moon so Scorpio/Libra/Virgo/Leo/Cancer/Gemini Moon suit me. My 1st bf has Gemini Moon; 2nd guy has Leo Moon; 3rd guy has Libra Moon. I guess no coincidence after all. Then again, these are all signs of the same or compatible elements as my Moon. What happens if the Moons are not compatible? My friend also has a Sag Moon and her bf has a Pisces Moon. Will it end up with her feeling like she's "chasing after" him while he loses interest over time? What about same Moon signs?
http://varahamihira.blogspot.com/2004/10/marriage-compatibility.html Look at where it says "2. Rasi Kuta(7)" "Rasi" means sign in sanskrit. Stree Deerga and Rasi kuta are two different measurements, but they overlap. Stree Deerga measures moon nakshatra distance between man and woman, and rasi kuta measures moon sign distance between man and woman. Bad rasi kuta can be cancelled out, but bad stree deerga can not be cancelled out as far as I know. Bad stree deerga makes the man feel nagged and the woman feel ignored and neglected. Bad rasi kuta has a range of negative outcomes depending on distance between signs. IP: Logged |
Bismarck2 Knowflake Posts: 360 From: Registered: Mar 2019
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posted July 03, 2019 03:31 PM
quote: Originally posted by Brenda_S: So you can count clockwise and counter clockwise? I guess I misunderstood it. Thought that Pisces will be 12 signs away from Aries vs 1.
Depends on gender. For a woman, counter-clockwise proximity is bad. For a man, clockwise proximity is bad. IP: Logged |
Hikaru29 Knowflake Posts: 1904 From: Asia Registered: Nov 2018
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posted July 04, 2019 07:03 AM
quote: Originally posted by Bismarck2: http://varahamihira.blogspot.com/2004/10/marriage-compatibility.html Look at where it says "2. Rasi Kuta(7)" "Rasi" means sign in sanskrit. Stree Deerga and Rasi kuta are two different measurements, but they overlap. Stree Deerga measures moon nakshatra distance between man and woman, and rasi kuta measures moon sign distance between man and woman. Bad rasi kuta can be cancelled out, but bad stree deerga can not be cancelled out as far as I know. Bad stree deerga makes the man feel nagged and the woman feel ignored and neglected. Bad rasi kuta has a range of negative outcomes depending on distance between signs.
The article lost me at various places, especially for someone with no knowledge of vedic astrology. So Janma Rasi simply means Moon sign, right? What about Janma Nakshatra and Adrisya? Help me again as I refer again to my friend and her bf's Pisces moon is 3 signs from that of her Sag moon, so that indicates "sorrow"? Then I look at 8th and 12th from the Janma rasi of the woman. So if I take woman Sag moon again, it won't be favourable for her to pair up with Leo or another Sag moon? However, this contradicts what you previously said that it's good up to 7 signs clockwise. Regarding Principle 3: "Even if the lords of the mans and womans rasis are foe, if they are 7th from each other, this can be accepted as very good." Taking woman Sag Moon as e.g. again, that means man's Moon in Taurus is good? I also don't understand the Riders. Mutually friendly rasis means planets in mutual reception? What is an odd Janma Rasi? Vesya...vedha... Harihara.... I'm totally lost. 😵 IP: Logged |
Bismarck2 Knowflake Posts: 360 From: Registered: Mar 2019
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posted July 04, 2019 07:35 AM
quote: Originally posted by Hikaru29: The article lost me at various places, especially for someone with no knowledge of vedic astrology. So Janma Rasi simply means Moon sign, right? What about Janma Nakshatra and Adrisya?Help me again as I refer again to my friend and her bf's Pisces moon is 3 signs from that of her Sag moon, so that indicates "sorrow"? Then I look at 8th and 12th from the Janma rasi of the woman. So if I take woman Sag moon again, it won't be favourable for her to pair up with Leo or another Sag moon? However, this contradicts what you previously said that it's good up to 7 signs clockwise. Regarding Principle 3: "Even if the lords of the mans and womans rasis are foe, if they are 7th from each other, this can be accepted as very good." Taking woman Sag Moon as e.g. again, that means man's Moon in Taurus is good? I also don't understand the Riders. Mutually friendly rasis means planets in mutual reception? What is an odd Janma Rasi? Vesya...vedha... Harihara.... I'm totally lost. 😵
1) Yes janma rasi means moon sign. 2) Sag and pisces are 4 signs apart, not 3. The first sign is always included when counting. 3) A nakshatra is similar to a decan, except given a lot more importance than decans in Vedic astrology. In Western astrology they're called asterisms. Here are good links to follow to learn more about nakshatras: - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47wmIByDPzk&list=PLqnDwobT_2hBpRam9GCZgxuXMFFOURG2c - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgxDFUre1I4&list=PLqnDwobT_2hA-yfLVRSnxXlh3lhCFEYmf - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLMkuwr0afTPh-Epjt-zKZpSv1V0QICSDr - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99r2hv6NKmQ&list=PLMkuwr0afTPj62dLQwxKvr_1xMbs049aA 4) "7 from eachother" means directly opposite. Again, the first sign is counted. 5) I can't translate everything. I was only referring to one thing on that page. Sorry.
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Hikaru29 Knowflake Posts: 1904 From: Asia Registered: Nov 2018
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posted July 04, 2019 08:05 AM
quote: Originally posted by Bismarck2: 1) Yes janma rasi means moon sign. 2) Sag and pisces are 4 signs apart, not 3. The first sign is always included when counting. 3) A nakshatra is similar to a decan, except given a lot more importance than decans in Vedic astrology. In Western astrology they're called asterisms. Here are good links to follow to learn more about nakshatras: - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47wmIByDPzk&list=PLqnDwobT_2hBpRam9GCZgxuXMFFOURG2c - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgxDFUre1I4&list=PLqnDwobT_2hA-yfLVRSnxXlh3lhCFEYmf - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLMkuwr0afTPh-Epjt-zKZpSv1V0QICSDr - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99r2hv6NKmQ&list=PLMkuwr0afTPj62dLQwxKvr_1xMbs049aA 4) "7 from eachother" means directly opposite. Again, the first sign is counted. 5) I can't translate everything. I was only referring to one thing on that page. Sorry.
Ah, ok. So Pisces Moon male + Sag Moon female brings quarrels & misunderstandings. Hmm...seems to describe them. Anyway those are a lot to digest when I can hardly make out the meanings. I think I'll slowly read it up when I've time. So what has been more true for people? Western or vedic? IP: Logged |
Bismarck2 Knowflake Posts: 360 From: Registered: Mar 2019
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posted July 04, 2019 08:07 AM
quote: Originally posted by Hikaru29: So what has been more true for people? Western or vedic?
I dunno. All I know is that Vedic is much older, and taken a lot more seriously in India. IP: Logged |
Hikaru29 Knowflake Posts: 1904 From: Asia Registered: Nov 2018
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posted July 04, 2019 08:15 AM
quote: Originally posted by Bismarck2: I dunno. All I know is that Vedic is much older, and taken a lot more seriously in India.
Well, that's of course. Like the Chinese tend to believe more in Bazi, Ziweidoushu... IP: Logged |
manderin Knowflake Posts: 794 From: New York, NY USA Registered: Nov 2013
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posted July 05, 2019 11:12 AM
Well my personal take is that vedic is more accurate in personal horoscopes. Not sure if it is more accurate than western when it comes to matching though.I was surprised to find that the vedic matching system doesn't allow for saturn squares in synastry. You can have one person's saturn tightly squaring all of the other person's personal planets and still get a 'great match' according to the vedic system. I find that very suspect as almost anyone who's experienced saturn square moon/venus/sun/mars would attest to. The long lasting happy marriages that I know of do indeed have appropriate Stree Deergha trick in their synastry. But I only know 4 long happy marriages that lasted 19+ years) Oh it looks like david bowie and Iman were a couple that did not have stree deergha! just found their synastry online. They were among the longest lasting couples in hollywood. IP: Logged |
Bismarck2 Knowflake Posts: 360 From: Registered: Mar 2019
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posted July 05, 2019 02:17 PM
quote: Originally posted by manderin: Well my personal take is that vedic is more accurate in personal horoscopes. Not sure if it is more accurate than western when it comes to matching though.I was surprised to find that the vedic matching system doesn't allow for saturn squares in synastry. You can have one person's saturn tightly squaring all of the other person's personal planets and still get a 'great match' according to the vedic system. I find that very suspect as almost anyone who's experienced saturn square moon/venus/sun/mars would attest to. The long lasting happy marriages that I know of do indeed have appropriate Stree Deergha trick in their synastry. But I only know 4 long happy marriages that lasted 19+ years) Oh it looks like david bowie and Iman were a couple that did not have stree deergha! just found their synastry online. They were among the longest lasting couples in hollywood.
What are their moon signs? IP: Logged |
manderin Knowflake Posts: 794 From: New York, NY USA Registered: Nov 2013
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posted July 06, 2019 06:59 AM
ok nevermind. To answer your question Iman's moon is in libra and Bowie's moon is in leo so actually they do have stree dheerga. Darn it. Vedic wins that round too. IP: Logged |
Bismarck2 Knowflake Posts: 360 From: Registered: Mar 2019
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posted July 06, 2019 09:42 PM
quote: Originally posted by manderin: ok nevermind. To answer your question Iman's moon is in libra and Bowie's moon is in leo so actually they do have stree dheerga. Darn it. Vedic wins that round too.
Yup, that works. The search continues. To be fair, there are cancellations to doshas(negative compatibility factors), but none for negative Stree Deerga, to my knowledge. IP: Logged |