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Topic: Help with this synastry, chiron/Venus
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Dons2angelss
Knowflake Posts: 413
From: Virginia, US
Registered: Jan 2019
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posted August 04, 2019 01:37 AM
  
This relationship started with a huge pull and I posted about it before but, ahhhhhh! We are 100% complete opposites but neither one of us can pull away. I honestly don't know what to do at this point. We're literally stuck together (we live together) and it happened very fast. The past few months have felt like we've already gone through a lifetime relationship with all the ups and downs and everything in between. Why can't we just walk away? I feel like we're being forced to stay together by circumstances that are out of our hands. I'm in blue
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Chaitaly
Knowflake Posts: 134
From: Italy
Registered: Aug 2016
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posted August 04, 2019 04:23 PM
There are many binding contacts,
i.g. your Saturn, which is also the ruler of your 8th house, conjunct his IC.
A very close contact, with Saturn here making things long-lasting, solid; you are the Saturn figure here when it comes to the home life (or maybe telling him how to live or to relate to his family).
His Venus in your 6th should make him willing to sacrifice for you, help you or support you – sometimes this may feel like the relationship is imbalanced. With his Venus-Uranus conjunction there is the possibility of some ups and downs… You both have the Moon (yours) and Venus (his) in Scorpio so you can understand each other through this scorpio energy you share, that is emotional but also quite volatile… hence the turmoil you go through. And with that Pluto-Moon conjunction in Scorpio in your natal you are pretty intense to say the least, you need and crave and seek depth in a relationship and once you commit emotionally with the one you love, God knows that you really mean it… No easy to let go, right? So bare in mind that you tend to hold on what you have and care for for better or worst…. And you are not scared to go through hell with a partner, if it means you can keep him…. It would be very painful for you to break up I suppose too. Since you are asking about Venus-Chiron… Chiron, as we know, has the power to heal the planet person's wound… (in this case it’s his Chiron on your Venus); had you had past hurts in romantic relationships, here Chiron comes to heal that pain…. But also to cleanse past damaging behavior related to love. Though it is a “loving” aspect to have in synastry we can say, it is not by any means easy. In fact it can manifest with a lot of pain. Here you and your partner have to work through that pain to form a loving couple and move forward. But in order to do that, your partner may stir up your (past) issues for the healing to take place, and this may be done inadvertently. Past difficulties may rise between you (yours past difficulties and memories), or in the end he could hurt you the same way previous partners did.
That's the double-edged sword of Chiron! This conjunction takes place is Taurus, so this wound you have has to do with taurus realm and issues (Venus again: love, beauty, possessions… ), or it means that he can heal you in a “taurus” way… your Venus is in the “terra incognita” of the 12th house (solitude, guilt, creativity…); this position stands for your secret relationships, failed ones, secrecy, and guilt about possessions or towards self-indulgency; maybe, you can be very concerned with acquiring wealth or belongings… but you don’t show it off. Does he stir up anyone of these issues in your love relationship?
Plus... you already have Chiron in your 12th house, your wound is there. Don’t know if something of this resonates. Hope it helps somehow.  IP: Logged |
CardinalT-Square
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posted August 04, 2019 07:51 PM
@Chaitaly Would you mind giving me a rough description of Venus conjunct Chiron in synastry? They're in the 3rd House for both of us, in Virgo. We have a repetitive history of Stare-down contest>She talks to her Mother about it>Get's hot n' steamy>She makes a move on me>I go cold>I reject her>She get's dissapointed/upset/cries>Rinse n' repeat. Anyway to break this viscious cycle? I really like this chick, she clearly likes me, but their is always something blocking us from being together in any official way. Thanks! IP: Logged |
Dons2angelss
Knowflake Posts: 413
From: Virginia, US
Registered: Jan 2019
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posted August 05, 2019 12:16 PM
It sure doesn't feel like a very supportive relationship. The saturn on IC part makes a lot of sense. He moved in with me pretty soon after we got together but it's been a downhill spiral ever since. There's no common ground between us and we keep running in this circle of misunderstanding and offending each other. Every argument ends with, "you do the same exact things you're accusing me of" and we can't seem to get past it. It's literally the most exhausting relationship I've ever had with anyone.
I've checked our progressions and solar returns and in each of them our ascendants, Midheavens, and vertex all are exactly conjunct for the next 10 plus years and there are a lot of north node/midpoint connections as well. I'm just wondering why is this such a terrible relationship if we have soooooo many binding contacts in all of the charts I've checked? It sucks and at this point I just want to walk away but I can't and I feel like we're being forced into it, no matter what we do it just ends up with us being stuck together. IP: Logged |
Graham
Knowflake Posts: 85
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Registered: Apr 2019
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posted August 06, 2019 04:23 AM
What does the Davison Chart indicate as being the purpose of this relationship? [ie. If the Davison Chart was the natal chart of a person, what would be required to "make the Sun shine"?] Are there Moon-Saturn, Venus-Mars, Chiron-Uranus issues? IP: Logged |
Chaitaly
Knowflake Posts: 134
From: Italy
Registered: Aug 2016
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posted August 06, 2019 05:50 AM
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Originally posted by Dons2angelss:
It sure doesn't feel like a very supportive relationship. The saturn on IC part makes a lot of sense. He moved in with me pretty soon after we got together but it's been a downhill spiral ever since. There's no common ground between us and we keep running in this circle of misunderstanding and offending each other. Every argument ends with, "you do the same exact things you're accusing me of" and we can't seem to get past it. It's literally the most exhausting relationship I've ever had with anyone.
I've checked our progressions and solar returns and in each of them our ascendants, Midheavens, and vertex all are exactly conjunct for the next 10 plus years and there are a lot of north node/midpoint connections as well. I'm just wondering why is this such a terrible relationship if we have soooooo many binding contacts in all of the charts I've checked? It sucks and at this point I just want to walk away but I can't and I feel like we're being forced into it, no matter what we do it just ends up with us being stuck together.
Sorry, I had to explain it better. I've seen sometimes Venus in the 6th as the Venus person doing something for the 6th house person but then feeling a lot of resentment that builds up over time. His Chiron is also opposite Saturn-IC conjunction and squaring your own IC pointing to the pain once you share your private space. The lines are a little messy personally I prefer to select the "Web" style from the menu when you go to Astro.com. In any case, you can post the Composite so we can see what the two of you are creating together. Last thing I can say, apart from astrology, is that we are not stuck unless we want to; what prevents you to break up? Living together binds a lot for sure. But at a certain point, you mend or you break, for your own sanity.
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Chaitaly
Knowflake Posts: 134
From: Italy
Registered: Aug 2016
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posted August 06, 2019 05:55 AM
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Originally posted by CardinalT-Square:
@Chaitaly Would you mind giving me a rough description of Venus conjunct Chiron in synastry? They're in the 3rd House for both of us, in Virgo. We have a repetitive history of Stare-down contest>She talks to her Mother about it>Get's hot n' steamy>She makes a move on me>I go cold>I reject her>She get's dissapointed/upset/cries>Rinse n' repeat. Anyway to break this viscious cycle? I really like this chick, she clearly likes me, but their is always something blocking us from being together in any official way. Thanks!
Hi CardinalT-Square!
Well the rough description is basically the one above, but for an analysis of your case with your partner why don't you post the charts in a new thread in this forum so we can discuss it?
It would be better.
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Dons2angelss
Knowflake Posts: 413
From: Virginia, US
Registered: Jan 2019
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posted August 06, 2019 09:37 AM
This is our composite, I've posted before about the pluto/Saturn conjunction in the 4th. If we were to separate right now we'd both be homeless 😕 I've never been in a situation where I had to depend on anyone just to stay afloat so this is really hard for me.  IP: Logged |
Graham
Knowflake Posts: 85
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Registered: Apr 2019
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posted August 06, 2019 12:47 PM
What does the Davison Chart indicate as being the purpose of this relationship?
[ie. If the Davison Chart was the natal chart of a person, what would be required to "make the Sun shine"?]Are there Moon-Saturn, Venus-Mars, Chiron-Uranus issues? Interceptions by 10th/4th house parental axis? ... Service signs (Virgo and Pisces) each on cusp of two houses? ... Aries/Libra assertiveness issues? IP: Logged |
Dons2angelss
Knowflake Posts: 413
From: Virginia, US
Registered: Jan 2019
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posted August 06, 2019 02:06 PM
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Dons2angelss
Knowflake Posts: 413
From: Virginia, US
Registered: Jan 2019
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posted August 06, 2019 02:08 PM
And I should add, we both remind each other of the opposite sex parent. He is a lot like my father and he says I'm a lot like his mother. IP: Logged |
Dons2angelss
Knowflake Posts: 413
From: Virginia, US
Registered: Jan 2019
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posted August 06, 2019 08:59 PM
So, in the composite we have chiron square venus and in davison we have chiron square the sun and venus. I'm just lost trying to see the bigger picture of this relationship. It's almost like we were two flies looking for a flower that turned out to be a venus fly trap. IP: Logged |
Graham
Knowflake Posts: 85
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Registered: Apr 2019
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posted August 07, 2019 12:25 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Dons2angelss:
So, in the composite we have chiron square venus and in davison we have chiron square the sun and venus. I'm just lost trying to see the bigger picture of this relationship. It's almost like we were two flies looking for a flower that turned out to be a venus fly trap.
Keep in mind that the synastry comparison reveals how the two people interact with each other; the composite shows how they are seen (as a couple) by others and the davison indicates the soul-purpose of the relationship. ... Hence, the davison is the bigger picture - without which one cannot see the overview (i.e.. how the jigsaw pieces of the other two fit together). Then ... note that both the composite and the davison have chiron in Taurus/11th, but the composite Venus is in Aquarius/8th and the davison Venus is in Leo/2nd ... enabling Chiron in Taurus/11th to be seen from two (opposing) perspectives. How do you think that might help your partner to handle/understand his natal Chiron in Taurus; NN in Leo; Aquarius 7th house and Venus-Uranus conjunction in 4th house (of psychological foundations)? And, how might it help you to handle/understand your natal Aquarius/Leo MC-IC axis; Venus-Uranus qcx and Sun+Venus in Taurus? For example ... can you now see why your partner's natal Chiron is conjunct your natal Venus - and why the synastry issues created by that help (rather than hinder) the achieving of the davison chart purpose*? [*If the Davison Chart was the natal chart of a person, what would be required to "allow/enable the Sun to "shine"?] IP: Logged |
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