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posted August 06, 2019 10:41 PM            

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We aren't partners, (yet) though the potential is strong, we both really like each other, but we can't seem to get anything off the ground, always something blocking us. We also have My Chiron parallel her Venus.

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posted August 06, 2019 10:51 PM            

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posted August 06, 2019 10:53 PM            

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posted August 07, 2019 08:49 AM            

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So,
first thing I want to say: there are clearly some big similarities between your charts, if we look at those axis and where the planets fall in each natal. A lot of mirroring going on. There’s compatibility between your Suns, and your Venus conjunct her Moon eliciting romantic feelings. And there are some powerful exact conjunctions. Starting from here, she’s got her Moon conjunct your NN, you’re drawn to her, but this relationship can come and go, sort of push-pull, this relationship could be difficult to untie emotionally but can be also hard to pin down; you have also Moons in opposite signs, that means attraction but also different emotional needs. Both Moons here very important since they are also your chart rulers, you cannot be indifferent to each other but compromise doesn’t come easy. Now, her Moon ideally could give much nurturing to your NN (what you want and crave), BUT we have to consider the condition of her natal Moon, not just this conjunction itself. She has natal Uranus-Neptune square Moon from the 7th house, a lot can be said but basically she struggles to find her balance, she has to learn commitment (probably has had an erratic relationship with the mother too), the square to Neptune can make this Moon volatile, delusional, emotional pressure is release through explosions; this is a Moon that is trying to assert herself in the 10th house (of Capricorn, work) and has to do something constructive with those uranian and neptunian energies.
You were mentioning in the other thread your repetitive and disruptive patterns, I think we have to look at her Neptune-Uranus conjunct your Mars in your 7th making an opposition to your Sun in the 1st house, and squaring your Moon (on the other side of her own Moon, which means I think we can see the effects of her own patterns through your emotional responses in this relationship). Your Sun in 1st house Cancer needs nurturing from others but the opposition also means that she doesn’t really give you what you think you deserve (you simply don’t get your ego satisfied), it’s an unstable energy, in the relationship there are periodic breaks, it’s an off-and-on-again repetitive cycle, there’s attraction and you feel excited by her, it’s electric, you attract and repel, but it’s all unpredictable and there can be a trust issue. This is a highly uranian relationship, and you’re also a mental challenge to her with your Uranus square to her Mercury -a lot of mental stimulation here, possibly stressful.
Saturn for both is the ruler of the Descendant. Also here the placements mirror each other: she has Saturn ruler of 7th in the 9th, house of Sagittarius, and you have Saturn ruler of the 7th in Sagittarius conjunct her NN.
What does it mean if your Saturn, ruler of your DSC, conjunct her NN? It’s another significative aspect, it’s karmic we can say, you can feel compelled to have a relationship, a hard to let go connection; your Saturn can help her grow (in the 5th house of romance where NN is heading in the realm of free-spirited Sagittarius), but some wounds can come to light (Saturn points also to our own insecurities). While it’s considered a binding aspect that should help to tie down the union, the truth is that NN person can feel restricted by Saturn, a push-pull dynamic is easily created (lesson-breaking up-lesson-breaking up); it can be that you try to initiate but obstacles stand in your way.
With your natal Sun opposite Mars in the 7th house, you can be fiery and assertive when it comes to obtain a lover (7th house), in Capricorn it is a sort of fixating power, but you live an inner battle between those desires and your ego; it is also a volatile aspect. With rulers of 7th house in Sagittarius and 9th house you both seek a partner that help you expand your horizons, with Capricorn Dsc anyway there’s usually a slow development in relationships; you both need to mature in order to have one. Your Mars here stimulated by her Uranus-Neptune awakens sexual desires but you’re going right into her Uranus-Neptune exciting-psychic-nebulous conjunction and you don’t really know where you stand with this girl you’re attracted to. There can be a lot of sexual fantasy. With the conjunction being opposed to her own Ascendant (in sensitive, nourishment-seeking Cancer) moreover, her own individualistic/idealistic tendencies can be hard to tie down; balance is needed here. She has also got those squares between the 4th and the 7th house (home-partners), indicating the conflicting inner forces and the fact that both sides of these squares are disturbed by these aspects.

Just a few things. Hope it's helpful.

Can you post the Composite and the Davison?

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posted August 07, 2019 05:14 PM            

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Wow Chaitaly! Are you a professional? If not, you should be, that's the most in- depth analysis of our charts I've ever read. You've got quite the gift😀

How does Venus conjuct Chiron in Virgo fit into all of this though? Venus parallel Chiron also? What can you tell me about my Venus squaring her nodes?

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posted August 07, 2019 05:20 PM            

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posted August 08, 2019 02:33 PM            

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Hi!!
No, I’m not a professional
But I’ve been learning by myself for years, still learning though xD
Give me time to look at these charts

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posted August 09, 2019 09:58 AM            

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posted August 09, 2019 10:00 AM            

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I would like to ask you, would you mind if Stoika joins the thread? She's very skilled and you can have one more take on this.

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posted August 09, 2019 10:33 AM            

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So,
the composite stellium in Leo would be nice but there are some challenges in the chart, starting from that Saturn (and Neptune) conjunct Dsc opposite Moon-Chiron, with Moon in such a preeminent position in the 1st in Cancer you're very sensitive to each other and emotional, but Saturn opposite Moon it's not a happy aspect per se; being Saturn the 7th house ruler and conjunct the angle, this is quite significant, but there can be heavy feelings in this relationship and obstacles, you are dealing with fears, this asks from both parts involved a constant work on the relationship; you see there's a repeating theme - we've seen the same in synastry and this matches also the energies of your natals (slow development and maturation in relationships through Capricorn Dsc). Btw, many planets challenge this angle, and angle contacts are always significant and we have to pay attention to them; here you have 4 planets conjunct the angle, Saturn, Uranus, Jupiter and Neptune. Themes of instability, control, addiction (to each other?), or external factors that come to your relationships manifesting these energies, like in the form of people trying to sabotage/put obstacles/cause trouble in this rel. With Saturn opposite Moon relationship can end in emotional distance from one or both parts. With Sun conj SN factors coming from past experiences are connected to your shared experience as a couple.

We can see the Davison as how the rel becomes when 2 people really commit. There's also a plutonic theme with compo Pluto square North Node and Sun and again with Pluto contacts in Davison (issues with intensity, jealousy, personal trasformation...). There are a lot of challenges in this chart. The Moon is in the 8th: the relationship once established can teach you about how you handle deeper emotions (not always pretty ones), a relationship that surely comes asking to make changes on yourself - but not easy (again, these are scorpio matters). A lot of intensity here with this Moon and the transformational Pluto contacts. The uranian theme of the synastry repeats: Mars conjunct Uranus (ruler of Sun) makes an opposition to Jupiter (ruler of ASC) in the 7th; I like Jupiter in the 7th itself, but where being together is seen as beneficial (Jupiter), here you have again the challenge of Mars-Uranus... basically, a lot of restlessness, possibly means your're not on the same page, there's tension and release, patience is needed (a lot!) but there's difficulty being together, it's so unstable. Ruler of the 1st in the 7th also makes me think if this rel needs validation-feedback from other people (?). Also with Moon opposite Mercury it can be tricky, when one is logical, the other is emotional...
And here comes the Chiron you were asking about; in synastry you have Chiron conjunct Venus, so potential for healing or hurting depending on the two people involved and many factors; in compo you also have the same theme as I said and Chiron here in the davison in the 8th is opposite Venus-Saturn, it's a karmic aspect, in this rel it's hard for you to meet in the middle, you don't work well together but for some reason you keep coming back over and over. Just an advice: if you end it, do it honestly and without regrets, because there can be a lot of hurt feelings here.
A "stable" relationship if it's what you're looking for, it's not exactly going to be what you get.

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posted August 09, 2019 05:16 PM            

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Thanks Chaitaly! That helps me understand things a lot better now😀 Yes! If Stoika7 wishes to join, that's fine by me. The more the merrier!

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posted August 10, 2019 12:47 AM            

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Originally posted by CardinalT-Square:
Thanks Chaitaly! That helps me understand things a lot better now😀 Yes! If Stoika7 wishes to join, that's fine by me. The more the merrier!

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Hi Cardinal, thank you for welcoming and to Chaitaly for inviting me!

Checking the charts, it seems there is a lot of immediate attraction between you two, and with your Venus conjunct Chiron trine to your NN you might have intense feelings at intimate level, your Mars opposite her ASC and conjunct her Uranus might give you a compelling drive towards her and great excitement. Her natal Uranus square her Mars/Jupiter looks pretty unpredictable and impulsive though and her natal Moon square to her Uranus/Neptune is emotionally very unstable and insecure. She's very independent and with her Saturn in Aquarius square natal Pluto she might escape deep bonds and might not be willing to compromise at the expense of her independence. The Composite shows that the intimacy of Chiron conjunct Moon is oppressed by the Saturn/Neptune opposition. This might become quite painful. The Sun/Venus/SN stellium is also afflicted by Mars and Pluto. This looks like a stormy relationship were one might try to control the other while the other feels oppressed and conflicts arise... from the natal charts I suspect that you would be the one trying to rule things for stability and she might not be up for it. Even though, there's potential for intimacy with Mars and Pluto trine to Moon/Chiron, and a good mental exchange (Mercury conjunct Venus trine to Jupiter), but it might not be enough for a stable union, unless a lot of space and freedom is given, as Comp. NN in Aquarius opposite to the stellium suggests.

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posted August 10, 2019 06:10 AM            

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Thanks for joining us Stoika7! And thank you both for the thorough analysis! What are your thoughts on the 2 Kites that we have in synastry? First Kite is my Sun trine her Pluto and trine my Jupiter with her Pluto and my Sun both sextiling her Mercury, and then her Mercury opposing my Jupiter. Second Kite is her Moon trining my Venus and Neptune, then my Venus and Neptune sextile my Pluto which, then opposes her Moon. Also lots of Pluto energy in both Kites, is that something I (we) should be concerned about going forward?

Do either of you find it significant that I have no longitudinal conjunctions, but she has several? And that she has no longitudinal oppositions, but I have at least one? Finally, between the two of us, we have a whole bunch of longitudinal conjunctions and oppositions in Synastry, Composite, and Davison? Or am I just reading to much into our charts?😆😜

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Thanks for joining us Stoika7! And thank you both for the thorough analysis! What are your thoughts on the 2 Kites that we have in synastry? First Kite is my Sun trine her Pluto and trine my Jupiter with her Pluto and my Sun both sextiling her Mercury, and then her Mercury opposing my Jupiter. Second Kite is her Moon trining my Venus and Neptune, then my Venus and Neptune sextile my Pluto which, then opposes her Moon. Also lots of Pluto energy in both Kites, is that something I (we) should be concerned about going forward?

Do either of you find it significant that I have no longitudinal conjunctions, but she has several? And that she has no longitudinal oppositions, but I have at least one? Finally, between the two of us, we have a whole bunch of longitudinal conjunctions and oppositions in Synastry, Composite, and Davison? Or am I just reading to much into our charts?😆😜

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posted August 10, 2019 08:12 PM            

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I should point out that I don't count angle to planet conjunctions because angles don't actually physically exist, just wondering about planet to planet conjunctions (lacktheirof) and oppositions (lacktheirof).

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posted August 13, 2019 01:53 AM            

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What's the period all about Chaitaly? A glich?😆 Do you or Stoika7 know anything about our Kites?

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posted September 16, 2019 03:36 AM            

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BUMP!

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posted September 16, 2019 05:09 PM            

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Hi CardinalT-Square
those kites you mention show an overall sympathy and affection, and high expectations. Kites are usually more significant in Composite though, in karmic terms, and usually point to some issues that can be overcome, shown by the opposition in the "tail" of the kite.
Are there any developments in your rs?

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posted September 23, 2019 06:26 PM            

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Bump!

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