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Adriana
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posted August 28, 2019 02:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Adriana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I’ve been dating a lovely Virgo man for 9 months. He has Venus con Mars and Pluto in Libra. He is patient, open minded, fair, observant, affectionate.
I am however somewhat concerned over how truthful he is. Like when I ask him things around where he stands with me or the relationship he tends to answer quick and reassuring. I’m afraid he does that to not hurt me by telling the truth.

Have you had experiences with Venus/Mars Libra not telling the whole truth to avoid hurting you?
And what could I do..

Are they also more likely to turn something they mainly see as sex into a relationship just because they want to please the other person?

Also, if you have this placement yourself, do you prefer direct, no going around the bush communication or more a diplomatic, thoughtful way with seeing both sides etc?

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posted August 28, 2019 03:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for anonymidarkness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think this just your own fear rather than him being that way coz everything is too fine ?

They're rather honest though, truth be told, unless when it comes to projecting a good image to others I have found. But relationship-wise, I have found they don't lie much, and even if they do they will tell, slowly when they open up their hills.

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posted August 28, 2019 05:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Adriana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
I think this just your own fear rather than him being that way coz everything is too fine ?

They're rather honest though, truth be told, unless when it comes to projecting a good image to others I have found. But relationship-wise, I have found they don't lie much, and even if they do they will tell, slowly when they open up their hills.


Thanks for this!
Hopefully what you say is true! White lies are in line sometimes. But not for important relationship questions where lying would cause a lot of pain on the partner.
I told him one time that I enjoy how diplomatic he is, but that I hope he can be direct about what he wants and not just say “whatever you want” or “I’m good either way”.

Do you think people with strong Libra influence like directness and honesty without much consideration on wording, like Aries style. Or do you think they prefer honesty, but in a very diplomatic, see all sides and think before speaking sort of way?

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posted August 29, 2019 12:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vansio     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So long as you mirror them in their diplomacy, patience, kindness, and love, you’ll be fine. Fair warning though, with Libra placements, natives have a tendency of tallying up the moments they let things slide on your behalf, any bad behavior is not going unnoticed even though it’s not “punished” or revealed to keep the peace - they can suffer from passive aggressiveness (internal) and have no idea that’s what it is. I find they don’t know how to regulate this instinct, so some may think they’re loving “more” when they’re just loving to begin with.

Have a tendency of pretending everything is ok when it isn’t, which is just their nature, and anyone who loves them should be able to acknowledge their feelings without disturbing the **** they dont want disturbed lol They will tell you if something is not sitting well with them and HONOR it. They will tell you their truth, maybe not the whole blubbering truth, but exactly what you need to know.

It’s a bit tricky, the pleasure principle enabled. Mature, eloquent healthy communication will always be your ace with these folk. Actually, needs to be your (warm) co-standard. Do not allow things to gloss over, they’ll handle the appearances of cohabitation and continuing and you work on the subliminal with strength.

They want you to cater to them, that’s why they’re catering to you. So learn to treat them exactly how they’re treating you. If he’s letting you pick all the restaurants/movies/recipes/dates/ideas, foster asking him what he’d like to do too with joy, or you might eventually hear about it someday lol.

My partner is Libra Rising, Libra Venus, Libra Moon, Virgo Mercury, Virgo Sun, Virgo Mars

They prefer the second type of communication!! Consider all your words very carefully. That’s what they’re doing, you must too.

Also with them... if you’re having an issue, consult a self help book first, then relay the idea to them. Don’t ask them empty-handed questions, where you stand with them, they’re not even thinking about you like that. If you’re around, you’re loved - they’ll kind of expect you to trust that because their attention/presence is their gift to you.

Imagine: relationships mean so much to them - and you’re in one with them. Esteem to that value you’ve been given a position for, and all will thrive. Hate to put it this way, but you were chosen... They’re aware of how “good” they are in love. Or in the words of my Libra friends, “being an emotional genius”.

My Jupiter is in Libra (Venus in Aries) so I hope these are words from the wise, pointing out their blind spots.

Reading about his moon (and aspects!!) will give you a better idea of his personal needs, aside from his behavior in love.

Also another pro-tip, never (consciously or unconsciously) emasculate these men... they need this role more than they understand. Especially the Virgo male.

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posted August 29, 2019 03:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Adriana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by vansio:
So long as you mirror them in their diplomacy, patience, kindness, and love, you’ll be fine. Fair warning though, with Libra placements, natives have a tendency of tallying up the moments they let things slide on your behalf, any bad behavior is not going unnoticed even though it’s not “punished” or revealed to keep the peace - they can suffer from passive aggressiveness (internal) and have no idea that’s what it is. I find they don’t know how to regulate this instinct, so some may think they’re loving “more” when they’re just loving to begin with.

Have a tendency of pretending everything is ok when it isn’t, which is just their nature, and anyone who loves them should be able to acknowledge their feelings without disturbing the **** they dont want disturbed lol They will tell you if something is not sitting well with them and HONOR it. They will tell you their truth, maybe not the whole blubbering truth, but exactly what you need to know.

It’s a bit tricky, the pleasure principle enabled. Mature, eloquent healthy communication will always be your ace with these folk. Actually, needs to be your (warm) co-standard. Do not allow things to gloss over, they’ll handle the appearances of cohabitation and continuing and you work on the subliminal with strength.

They want you to cater to them, that’s why they’re catering to you. So learn to treat them exactly how they’re treating you. If he’s letting you pick all the restaurants/movies/recipes/dates/ideas, foster asking him what he’d like to do too with joy, or you might eventually hear about it someday lol.

My partner is Libra Rising, Libra Venus, Libra Moon, Virgo Mercury, Virgo Sun, Virgo Mars

They prefer the second type of communication!! Consider all your words very carefully. That’s what they’re doing, you must too.

Also with them... if you’re having an issue, consult a self help book first, then relay the idea to them. Don’t ask them empty-handed questions, where you stand with them, they’re not even thinking about you like that. If you’re around, you’re loved - they’ll kind of expect you to trust that because their attention/presence is their gift to you.

Imagine: relationships mean so much to them - and you’re in one with them. Esteem to that value you’ve been given a position for, and all will thrive. Hate to put it this way, but you were chosen... They’re aware of how “good” they are in love. Or in the words of my Libra friends, “being an emotional genius”.

My Jupiter is in Libra (Venus in Aries) so I hope these are words from the wise, pointing out their blind spots.

Reading about his moon (and aspects!!) will give you a better idea of his personal needs, aside from his behavior in love.

Also another pro-tip, never (consciously or unconsciously) emasculate these men... they need this role more than they understand. Especially the Virgo male.


First off, thanks for your reply and thoughts! I’m answering from my phone so I have a hard time with answering inside your post.
Anyway, I would say I am very much like you described is a good way of being with these people. I often felt he gives more than me, so I’ve been trying to figure ways I can make up for it without doing the same as him (he earns way more money than me, so it makes sense he can give more here for example).
I’m very aware of the second part, I’ve even told him I appreciate his diplomatic side but that I wish he can be direct when it’s something he really wants (but I think he might if it’s simething he has a big preference for).

Well, I hope he will air his thoughts in his diplomatic ways if he has issues.

I am Sag Sun, Venus, Mercury and Neptune together! I think Mercury con Neptune and Venus in my chart is what makes me gentle communication wise. I see things from both sides and try to be diplomatic, but will say I’m hurt if I feel hurt. So I definitely am diplomatic as well and can use a white lie. But relationship questions, anything of major importance I will be honest about. I’m Sag influenced though.

I do let him choose, like after I have made a choice about restaurant whatever, I make a point saying it’s his turn. I want to please him too!

He has a Taurus Moon, so in it all he probably wants stability, cuddly ness and physically close relationship. We touch each other always!

It’s interesting what you say about them making a huge point about relationships and being with them is an honor in its friendship own
My Virgo likes to be acknowledged for how much he knows, and I’m not afraid to give him that :P

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posted August 29, 2019 04:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dumuzi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i have a virgo sun and libra venus/ascendant (cap mars aries moon leo mercury)

if i mainly see something as sex then i won't necessarily say as much if i think it might hurt the other person but i won't tell them otherwise either

i just won't bring it up and keep having sex

i prefer things direct, but i don't see why you have to avoid being direct in order to see both sides of things so i'm not really understanding why you make a distinction

i can give my opinion and be direct about it but still understand that there are other perspectives and be thoughtful about those

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posted August 29, 2019 10:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You can be both truthful and diplomatic. I know that the other person doesn't always take it that way, though, no matter how well you think you're doing.

I have a friend who has Moon/Jupiter in Libra, and he was concerned that his wife was hiding feelings, because they never argued. He had someone just leave him with no warning, in the past, so he's understandably afraid of that happening again. He talked about this a few years ago, and they're still together.

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posted September 01, 2019 04:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Adriana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
i have a virgo sun and libra venus/ascendant (cap mars aries moon leo mercury)

if i mainly see something as sex then i won't necessarily say as much if i think it might hurt the other person but i won't tell them otherwise either

i just won't bring it up and keep having sex

i prefer things direct, but i don't see why you have to avoid being direct in order to see both sides of things so i'm not really understanding why you make a distinction

i can give my opinion and be direct about it but still understand that there are other perspectives and be thoughtful about those


Thanks for sharing!
Interesting you have the same Venus as my guy and same Mars as me!
As long as you are honest when I asked, I think that is good.

No, being diplomatic and see both sides aren’t at odds with honesty. But I think what I mean is more of a diluted way of coming with that honesty. Example; woman asks “do I look fat in this?” Maybe you think she does a little, but instead of saying that you say “I think you look great”. Because this is also a truth and more important than a detach on her butt. Heh you don’t lie but you divert the answers a little which I don’t think is wrong here. I’m concerned he does similar things on important relationship questions.

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Adriana
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posted September 01, 2019 04:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Adriana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by teasel:
You can be both truthful and diplomatic. I know that the other person doesn't always take it that way, though, no matter how well you think you're doing.

I have a friend who has Moon/Jupiter in Libra, and he was concerned that his wife was hiding feelings, because they never argued. He had someone just leave him with no warning, in the past, so he's understandably afraid of that happening again. He talked about this a few years ago, and they're still together.


I can see this. I give an example of what I was trying to convey in my response before this. Because being honest and dilplomatic don’t need to be at odds with each other. Also probably Mercury position plays a big role in this.

Aww, I’m happy they are together! But yeah, it’s easy to analyze things to bits and think the worst. Especially understandable when it’s hapoened before. Thanks for sharing

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