posted September 30, 2019 05:06 AM            

Her natal chart clearly shows a series of patterns associated with mental illness and life difficulties. Her parents left her and her sister without a diagnosis, since apparently they have never brought their daughters to see a doctor, a neuropsychiatrist, to understand what their problem is. And it's such a shame that they went through all the primary school like this.

I think that in the natal it's clear that they are not getting the appropriate treatment from family (or this girl in particular doesn't feel like she's loved and accepted for who she is, if she's aware of that) or from school/teachers (what's worst). It seems to me like the world will demand her to be someone she's not and could not ever be.

Since we -teachers- don't have a medical diagnosis at hand, it's not possible to intervene properly because their problems are fundamentally unknown to us in this situation.

There are a lot of Chiron aspects in the natal of this little girl, that point to the pain/wound she experiences both in the family context and at school, with parents (Sun-Moon) and also other educational figures (Jupiter) and due to her mental state (Mercury).

I just posted this charts to know if I can be beneficial for her in this situation.

>>>> I don't know her TOB so just aspects count here.

There are very interesting aspects, such the nodal contacts. Her Sun is on my South node and her Moon on my NN, there are a lot of mutual soft Chiron contacts, and this is encouraging for healing and teaching (she's going to teach me something too I think).

But what "worries" me is her Saturn squares on my planets (will she put up a "wall" with me?).
And my natal Pluto-Venus conjunction is square her Chiron. What do you think of this?
What about her Mars conjunct my Pluto and Uranus on my Mars? How are they going to play in this situation?

Her luminaries on my nodes could explain why as soon as I saw her I told her teacher that I wanted to be the one who helps her in class.
The first time I saw her I couldn't do nothing but staring at her all the time and wanting to help her somehow.

The quantity of flowing aspects in synastry is impressive to me; it could seem I could communicate with her somehow, but I still don't know how much she speaks or interacts with people.

Thank you in advance.

I'm the inner (my TOB exact, her unknown)
SYN http://imgur.com/a/Y2CysPF

COMPO http://imgur.com/qMh0mz6

posted September 30, 2019 07:27 PM            

I have similar feelings as Stoika7 has.
though the tsquare of venus/sun opposed to the moon and square to Jupiter shows you and the child have an excellent mental/emotional rapport, the mercury/pluto midpoint is conjunct to venus/sun which could severly inhibit the expression of the emotional support.
in addition the Saturn/Neptune square's midpoint is conjunct the node which indicates it may be very difficult to understand of ferret out the actually reasons for her behavior.
I agree ,the childs chart would be every helpful as the mercury/pluto block might keep these dynamics hidden.

posted September 30, 2019 10:54 PM            

I agree with Todd and especially with his last sentence, that is a great suggestion, to talk to her as an adult. These kids are very sensitive to your consideration of them as your equal.

posted October 12, 2019 06:52 AM            

The little Moldavian girl started talking with me as soon as I asked her about her (she had to write a text where she introduces herself); she talked a lot for the whole hour!! And she told me how she has been bullied at primary school, and that she had learned Italian before coming to Italy at 8 years old watching animated cartoons in her country. So she is very smart indeed!
But most of her teachers think she is stupid or doesn't get it, I don't know. Not only she was bullied by her classmates, but she said that at the primary her teachers didn't do anything for that and didn't intervene or stop the bullying. So she has a wound -as we saw- with these figures since she didn't feel protected. Then she moved to another house with her family and changed school as well, and everything went better.
But what impressed me is that she says that at home she is totally alone with her twin sister. Her parents work all day, and they told their daughters that they are "old enough" to take care of themselves when they at home (they are only ten!!), so there's no adult figure that can look after them after school.
It's so strange that the parents leave them in this situation! She told me also: But we have our pets that look after us, and our dog.
That's probably what the parents told them.

She talked a lot but she had also to write, but she had already said so many things that I had to remember what she said about herself and made her write something. Many things cross her minds in such a short time and I think she can't catch up the thinking with her writing.

She's not stupid at all, but very insecure, in fact she was writing with the pencil and when I asked her why, she said: "It's because I'm insecure, I fear that I make mistakes and then I cannot change them". Poor girl! She must have been scolded a lot for her mistakes. She writes very well instead, with almost no mistakes, so I told her and encouraged her to write with the pen. I'm very happy for this little step.

I think she just needs encouragement and support and company, think about a 10 years old girl who stays alone all day at home and the next day she goes to school where none involves her in class because they think she can't do it.

I confirm that I feel a lot of care for her and it's something really overwhelming. I would like to hug her for no reason, but I can't obviously. I'd like to look deeper in the charts for what may indicate these feelings.
She seems to want to talk with me a lot, and I don't want to stop that, I let her talking, so we can create a relationship. She gets easily distracted by the way, and I would like her to do more - hence the frustration that we saw in the charts. She has still a lot of homework to do and 1 hour per week is not enough for us to do it all.

I will see her again the next Saturday. On Monday it's her birthday but I don't work on Mondays and I regret not being there to wish her a happy b.day.

I'm totally in love haha.

posted October 18, 2019 02:03 PM            

I reverse engineered the composite to find the childs natal. the composite I have found is within few arc minute of the composite you posted.
so the child's natal is correct to the day or so.

I am working on the theory she has been emotional abused at the least.
she has eros conjunct the sun and opposed to eris. this is a very emotive aspect and seems to follow how you have described her.actually very loving and outgoing by nature .but the pluto/chrion and Pluto/node midpoints are square to this opposition which are aspects of emotional abuse at the least. in this situation, it seems she had to hide her buoyant personality because when she was herself, she only elicited abusive reactions.

in addition ,the Saturn/Pluto midpoint is square to her Neptune. this would place the onus on a abusive father. Neptune indicates abuse accompanied by alcohol abuse. so it is very likely the father has no conscious memory and the child likely has blocked the pain out herself

psyche is conjunct to true Lilith showing a truly loving innocent nature, but the Eros/psyche midpoint is square to nessus which again points to severe abuse or a physical or more destructive nature.

posted October 18, 2019 02:40 PM            

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Originally posted by todd:
hi Chaitaly

I reverse engineered the composite to find the childs natal. the composite I have found is within few arc minute of the composite you posted.
so the child's natal is correct to the day or so.

I am working on the theory she has been emotional abused at the least.
she has eros conjunct the sun and opposed to eris. this is a very emotive aspect and seems to follow how you have described her.actually very loving and outgoing by nature .but the pluto/chrion and Pluto/node midpoints are square to this opposition which are aspects of emotional abuse at the least. in this situation, it seems she had to hide her buoyant personality because when she was herself, she only elicited abusive reactions.

in addition ,the Saturn/Pluto midpoint is square to her Neptune. this would place the onus on a abusive father. Neptune indicates abuse accompanied by alcohol abuse. so it is very likely the father has no conscious memory and the child likely has blocked the pain out herself

psyche is conjunct to true Lilith showing a truly loving innocent nature, but the Eros/psyche midpoint is square to nessus which again points to severe abuse or a physical or more destructive nature.

todd

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This, unfortunately, makes a lot of sense to me... from Chaitaly description of the child, I felt she is more affected by a post-traumatic event than by autism... of course, what do I know ? but this would also explain the family behaviour and the fact that she was never diagnosed as autistic...

:-(

posted October 21, 2019 04:28 AM            

Actually we've found out recently that she has Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), along with other problems such as reading disorder and other language-based learning disabilities.
At first she seemed autistic because she was lost in her world, but I didn't know her then; she's very outgoing and talkative, even too much because of her hyperactivity, and her teacher is very impatient with her and it's always screaming at her.
What's strange is that her family has been pushed by teachers to take her to see a neuropsychiatrist, and this is her 1st diagnosis in 11 years!
And her mother, who is a teacher as I found out, apparently hadn't noticed her problems throughout all her childhood! Exposing her to the teacher's mocking and impatience, and the sad thing is that even now that she has been diagnosed (in these days!) there are still some teachers in the school who don't know what ADHD is...
She can do her homework but only if constantly supported, because she just talks and talks and can't concentrate on anything. And she is still alone at home so she won't do anything at home neither.
By the way, I love her even more, and I even dreamt of her last week the day before I had to see her!
So strong!

But she has got a diagnosis now, at least.

posted October 21, 2019 06:32 PM            

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Originally posted by Chaitaly:
Thank you so much to the both of you!!

Actually we've found out recently that she has Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), along with other problems such as reading disorder and other language-based learning disabilities.
At first she seemed autistic because she was lost in her world, but I didn't know her then; she's very outgoing and talkative, even too much because of her hyperactivity, and her teacher is very impatient with her and it's always screaming at her.
What's strange is that her family has been pushed by teachers to take her to see a neuropsychiatrist, and this is her 1st diagnosis in 11 years!
And her mother, who is a teacher as I found out, apparently hadn't noticed her problems throughout all her childhood! Exposing her to the teacher's mocking and impatience, and the sad thing is that even now that she has been diagnosed (in these days!) there are still some teachers in the school who don't know what ADHD is...
She can do her homework but only if constantly supported, because she just talks and talks and can't concentrate on anything. And she is still alone at home so she won't do anything at home neither.
By the way, I love her even more, and I even dreamt of her last week the day before I had to see her!
So strong!

But she has got a diagnosis now, at least.

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Thank you again for the update!!
Oh, well... if you're talking about Italy, I'm not surpirsed about such ignorance on ADHD (I'm italian too) !
The awful thing is that those behaviours you describe "against" her are exactly the opposite thing her problem would need to improve her situation :-(
So maybe she wasnt "abused" as we suspected, but she was psychologically abused somehow, just by the fact that her real problem was ignored and "mistreated" !

But, it's so good to hear those other teachers actually cared and pushed the family for taking care of this !

posted October 24, 2019 04:12 PM            

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Originally posted by Chaitaly:
Thank you so much to the both of you!!

Actually we've found out recently that she has Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), along with other problems such as reading disorder and other language-based learning disabilities.
At first she seemed autistic because she was lost in her world, but I didn't know her then; she's very outgoing and talkative, even too much because of her hyperactivity, and her teacher is very impatient with her and it's always screaming at her.
What's strange is that her family has been pushed by teachers to take her to see a neuropsychiatrist, and this is her 1st diagnosis in 11 years!
And her mother, who is a teacher as I found out, apparently hadn't noticed her problems throughout all her childhood! Exposing her to the teacher's mocking and impatience, and the sad thing is that even now that she has been diagnosed (in these days!) there are still some teachers in the school who don't know what ADHD is...
She can do her homework but only if constantly supported, because she just talks and talks and can't concentrate on anything. And she is still alone at home so she won't do anything at home neither.
By the way, I love her even more, and I even dreamt of her last week the day before I had to see her!
So strong!

But she has got a diagnosis now, at least.

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I have some misgivings about the childs diagnoses as having ADHD.. for one thing ADHD is a indeterminate diagnoses. by that I mean there are many different "symptoms "that are called ADHD. so even though there is a diagnoses ,it does not mean she will be treated properly. this puts her in a arbitrary category but ignores her individuality.

I main problem I foresee is that the "authorities " will want to put her on some type of drug to alter her behavior.
I think this is a big mistake.
I don't know how much latitude you have with her, but I suggest you try to make her understand that she need to try to alter the behaviors she has that are objectionable. I know this may be too much to expect a child to understand but you might let her know that if she can't alter herself then "they " will give her drugs that will deaden her spirit and joy.
as I mentioned, talk to her as an adult, hopefully she will understand she need to control her own impulses. I only suggest this because you and she have the mercury/Uranus square.

todd