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93nov
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posted October 06, 2019 10:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 93nov     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good evening, everyone. I was formerly known as Yanmorg. I took some time away to just sit in my depression.. Transit Pluto is squaring my moon and won't start to ease up until November 2020.. yikes. Anyway, I need help seeing this relationship a little bit more clearly if you guys don't mind.

I have been in a relationship for a little over 3 years now. It started off long-distance (we would see each other every other weekend or every month depending on our work schedules at the time) and I ended up moving to his home town to live with him a year and a half later until very recently.. as I ended up right back at my parents' house (due to a minor infidelity on his part and other financial issues at the time), hurt, confused, and still holding on.

Sometimes I feel like he's my best friend in the whole entire world and other times, I do not know him at all. It's mainly with our communication. He's very fickle and unpredictable in his communication. He keeps secrets and doesn't disclose the truth as I have caught him in a few lies throughout our relationship. He is also very vindictive, petty, and insensitive when he feels slighted or doesn't get his way, but I can handle that better than someone constantly changing their mind.

Are these traits present in his natal and in our relationship?

What else can you make of the charts?

Does he have a deep fear of commitment and/ or rejection?

Do you think he will eventually come around? (transit wise)

This is difficult for me to process because I have never experienced this type of relationship dynamic before. A guy is either into me or he isn't and it doesn't take long to figure out based off his actions. With my current partner though, he swings back and forth and his communication is not a reliable source at all.

I don't want to let him go, but he keeps pushing me away which will eventually push me to do so. One minute he's professing his love for me and the next he's saying we need a break and he wants space. One minute we're riding around looking at dream houses (literally) and the next he's telling me I should just focus on myself and forget about him. He'll either return hours later focusing on an entire new subject as if nothing happened or hold a grudge until I eventually give in and give my power away by practically begging for forgiveness. It's almost as if he does this out of fear and/ or immaturity. I know this is unhealthy, but I'm a believer in forgiveness, change, and growth so I'm trying to hang in there because I care.

I don't know if this 'hold' he has on me is because of some karma or he's just manipulating the situation out of fear of losing control. Either way, I am struggling between breaking away and sticking it out hoping some transit or mental breakthrough will make him come to his senses or change is behavior.


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Stoika7
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posted October 06, 2019 10:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stoika7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi 93nov,

the images dont work for me, can you paste the whole link or take off the "s" from http please? Could you post also a synastry and composite chart?

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93nov
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posted October 06, 2019 10:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 93nov     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Stoika7:
Hi 93nov,

the images dont work for me, can you paste the whole link or take off the "s" from http please? Could you post also a synastry and composite chart?


Good evening, Stoika7

Thanks for the tip! I believe I fixed the links somewhat lol.

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posted October 06, 2019 10:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stoika7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks! I'll give a look!

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posted October 06, 2019 11:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stoika7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi again :-)

You both have a deep inner block coming from your childhood and you both might suffer of chronic depression... He's especially emotionally damaged by this issue, he has natal saturn square ASC/Pluto square Moon/MC/Mars, this can give him a complete lack of self worth, bad decision making, and also the weird secretive behaviours you have described, looking a little "bipolar". Moreover, his natal Mercury is opposed to Neptune/Uranus, he's Saturn 3rd house and Mercury 8th house, so he has some obsessive mind patterns, but he doesnt think straight at all, i.e. he changes his mind quickly cause he's actually not convinced of anything at all, he struggles in making up clear ideas of his own, and these can depend on his moody state. His Sun 8th house trine saturn should be actually quite reliable and trustworthy, he has very intense feelings but sometimes these are out of his control, he looks like a deeply tormented person. I think the "secrets" he seems to have are a sort of self-defence from the outer world, not about dishonesty. His Chiron 9th house square to his ASC and his Sagittarius NN first house suggest that he has to face a deeper self-awareness about his identity to release from such deep wound, cause most of the time he might be in a denial state.
You might have a similar issue coming from you past, your Saturn in Aquarius/10th house looks quite rebellius against authority personalities and it looks like there was or there is a sense of imprisonment in your life from which you wish to get free... This is also a block you have inside that gives you depression (Saturn square Mars/DSC), but you're more self-assertive than him and your mind is quite clear. You are usually ready to work out on things in a self-reliant way. You are also extremely intuitive and maybe a psychic person. You might need to find a stable relationship, according to your NN in 7th house, in order to find your emotional stability and you also need to dedicate yourself to some activity, maybe intectually or socially, in order to find your individual stability.
Both the synastry and the Composite show that there is a strong bond between you two that is going to be very hard to break and it will last for long time. Comp. Chiron conjunt DSC in 7th house shows that your glue is your inner past wounds and that you need to work things out around those individual issues in order to make the relationship more stable. You also have Sun/Mercury in 7th house trine to Uranus in 11th house, so I think that things can be worked out establishing a more honest, open communication, through the true friendship underlying your bond. There is also a very strong intimacy between you two. The problem here is that Jupiter square Uranus signals a strong instability, so you might actually have these ups and downs and periods of separation. Also, the Pluto square to ASC/Saturn is a big block coming from your most rooted subconscious issues, so I think that things wont get stable between you two unless/until an "higher" self-awareness is individually reached...

I think that transiting Pluto conjunct Comp. Uranus square to Jupiter is what making things difficult right now. You might feel he's being selfish and deceptive these days.

You also have transiting Neptune opposite Comp. Uranus... I think at the end of October transiting Mercury and Venus might be more favourable for your communication.

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posted October 07, 2019 02:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi 93nov,
I remember your former username.

Stoika is better at interpreting the charts but I just wanna drop some thoughts...

Your ASC-DSC conjunction is very attractive and probably the reason why you find it hard to let go. You may feel that you're each other's ideal or you're meant for each other despite whatever else is going on.

Your chart shows that you naturally attract plutonic partners and he's right up your alley. You said he hides the truth... and that's very characteristic of Scorpio/Pluto. Manipulation & control comes with that opposition to Venus and square to Mars. They often feel that they need to control their lovers and/or the situation yet they themselves sometimes blow hot & cold, confusing their partners. Like what you've experienced, the swinging back & forth can be extreme. He has an emotional blocker which is Moon opp Saturn which can make him feel lonely and have a fear of emotional intimacy. NN in 1st house usually indicates a need to develop deep self-understanding through their partnerships.

The synastry shows a strong plutonic theme with an emphasised 12th house overlay which is a karmic house. The attractive thing about plutonic relationship is that it's very intense and we all love that. The pitfall is we can sometimes confuse possessiveness/jealousy for true love. We have to therefore be very enlightened at what we're really feeling and project our energies positively, helping each other to reach self-understanding and evolvement. There can be so much learning when both are truthful and forgiving. This cannot be a one-way street because Pluto demands all in or all out.

You have cSaturn on ASC and what I noticed about this aspect is that one partner often feels greatly responsible for the other though the quincunx to Moon shows emotional loneliness at the same time. The 7H Sun demands that the two of you work as a team and this is supported by Mercury and trine from Uranus/Neptune, also to the Moon. I would have hoped to also see aspects between Sun-Moon, Sun-Venus or Moon-Venus as these would strengthen your connection on a basic level. What you have to probably watch out for are your squares between Pluto-Saturn, Jupiter/Mars-Neptune/Uranus which will bring confusion, instability and tension to the partnership. cNN in 10H indicates a need for common growth and this will be your r/s lesson as there's a tendency to struggle over control & dominance (Scorpio MC with rulers in 10th/8th). In any case, with Chiron on your cDSC, this r/s will be deeply healing and/or painful but definitely a very intimate one.

I'm thinking tNeptune opposing cSun/Mercury may be making things murky and tSaturn/Pluto/SN on your cUranus/Neptune may have triggered the unstable energies.

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posted October 07, 2019 03:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 93nov     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Stoika7:
Hi again :-)

You both have a deep inner block coming from your childhood and you both might suffer of chronic depression... He's especially emotionally damaged by this issue, he has natal saturn square ASC/Pluto square Moon/MC/Mars, this can give him a complete lack of self worth, bad decision making, and also the weird secretive behaviours you have described, looking a little "bipolar". Moreover, his natal Mercury is opposed to Neptune/Uranus, he's Saturn 3rd house and Mercury 8th house, so he has some obsessive mind patterns, but he doesnt think straight at all, i.e. he changes his mind quickly cause he's actually not convinced of anything at all, he struggles in making up clear ideas of his own, and these can depend on his moody state. His Sun 8th house trine saturn should be actually quite reliable and trustworthy, he has very intense feelings but sometimes these are out of his control, he looks like a deeply tormented person. I think the "secrets" he seems to have are a sort of self-defence from the outer world, not about dishonesty. His Chiron 9th house square to his ASC and his Sagittarius NN first house suggest that he has to face a deeper self-awareness about his identity to release from such deep wound, cause most of the time he might be in a denial state.
You might have a similar issue coming from you past, your Saturn in Aquarius/10th house looks quite rebellius against authority personalities and it looks like there was or there is a sense of imprisonment in your life from which you wish to get free... This is also a block you have inside that gives you depression (Saturn square Mars/DSC), but you're more self-assertive than him and your mind is quite clear. You are usually ready to work out on things in a self-reliant way. You are also extremely intuitive and maybe a psychic person. You might need to find a stable relationship, according to your NN in 7th house, in order to find your emotional stability and you also need to dedicate yourself to some activity, maybe intectually or socially, in order to find your individual stability.
Both the synastry and the Composite show that there is a strong bond between you two that is going to be very hard to break and it will last for long time. Comp. Chiron conjunt DSC in 7th house shows that your glue is your inner past wounds and that you need to work things out around those individual issues in order to make the relationship more stable. You also have Sun/Mercury in 7th house trine to Uranus in 11th house, so I think that things can be worked out establishing a more honest, open communication, through the true friendship underlying your bond. There is also a very strong intimacy between you two. The problem here is that Jupiter square Uranus signals a strong instability, so you might actually have these ups and downs and periods of separation. Also, the Pluto square to ASC/Saturn is a big block coming from your most rooted subconscious issues, so I think that things wont get stable between you two unless/until an "higher" self-awareness is individually reached...

I think that transiting Pluto conjunct Comp. Uranus square to Jupiter is what making things difficult right now. You might feel he's being selfish and deceptive these days.

You also have transiting Neptune opposite Comp. Uranus... I think at the end of October transiting Mercury and Venus might be more favourable for your communication.


Thanks for your reply, Stoika7

You hit the nail right on the head. What you described is what my intuition is telling me. The confusion stems from the fact that he's so darn good at concealing his true self. I told him once before, his personality is like an onion: Every time I peel back a new layer, there's another one underneath lol. I think a part of the issue, too, is I reveal too much too soon. I have yet to master self control when it comes to my emotions and I blame my moon ruling 3rd for that one. He knows how to sit back and observe without saying anything. This is a big part of his power and although I'm aware of his strategies (partly, anyway), I feel myself still being consumed by it like a pull I can't control or maybe I really don't want to. I find myself wanting to merge woth him. The sex is out of this WORLD (sorry if tmi)!

Do you think Transit Pluto conjunct cUranus will start to ease soon? I know Pluto just went direct again on Oct 3rd.. but next year could be the last and final pass which I am hoping for.


I try to dig deep with his family to see where the real wound lies, but I can't get past the "fluff". His family is very unconventional, but traditional all in the same breath. They're very old-fashioned and religious but partly on the surface. It's hard to describe if you don't come from a small country town or if you did and did not get to explore other parts of the world. I hope I'm making sense lol. His mom is 10 years younger than his dad and both parents have a child from a previous relationship besides him and his other siblings from them both.

I'm hoping that upcoming transit from Uranus to his natal Venus will mature him a little more. His main focus hasn't really been our relationship, but mainly monetary and material things. He drives a nice sports car and loves wearing jewelry. He doesn't really care to put energy into trivial matters like emotions and relationship issues.. & I'm blaming his maturity and his Taurus Venus.. for now lol. We're complete opposites in this department. I would rather curl up on the couch with a good book/ movie, good food, and a little ganja He would too, but eventually would want to return to the outside world.

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posted October 07, 2019 03:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 93nov     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
Hi 93nov,
I remember your former username.

Stoika is better at interpreting the charts but I just wanna drop some thoughts...

Your ASC-DSC conjunction is very attractive and probably the reason why you find it hard to let go. You may feel that you're each other's ideal or you're meant for each other despite whatever else is going on.

Your chart shows that you naturally attract plutonic partners and he's right up your alley. You said he hides the truth... and that's very characteristic of Scorpio/Pluto. Manipulation & control comes with that opposition to Venus and square to Mars. They often feel that they need to control their lovers and/or the situation yet they themselves sometimes blow hot & cold, confusing their partners. Like what you've experienced, the swinging back & forth can be extreme. He has an emotional blocker which is Moon opp Saturn which can make him feel lonely and have a fear of emotional intimacy. NN in 1st house usually indicates a need to develop deep self-understanding through their partnerships.

The synastry shows a strong plutonic theme with an emphasised 12th house overlay which is a karmic house. The attractive thing about plutonic relationship is that it's very intense and we all love that. The pitfall is we can sometimes confuse possessiveness/jealousy for true love. We have to therefore be very enlightened at what we're really feeling and project our energies positively, helping each other to reach self-understanding and evolvement. There can be so much learning when both are truthful and forgiving. This cannot be a one-way street because Pluto demands all in or all out.

You have cSaturn on ASC and what I noticed about this aspect is that one partner often feels greatly responsible for the other though the quincunx to Moon shows emotional loneliness at the same time. The 7H Sun demands that the two of you work as a team and this is supported by Mercury and trine from Uranus/Neptune, also to the Moon. I would have hoped to also see aspects between Sun-Moon, Sun-Venus or Moon-Venus as these would strengthen your connection on a basic level. What you have to probably watch out for are your squares between Pluto-Saturn, Jupiter/Mars-Neptune/Uranus which will bring confusion, instability and tension to the partnership. cNN in 10H indicates a need for common growth and this will be your r/s lesson as there's a tendency to struggle over control & dominance (Scorpio MC with rulers in 10th/8th). In any case, with Chiron on your cDSC, this r/s will be deeply healing and/or painful but definitely a very intimate one.

I'm thinking tNeptune opposing cSun/Mercury may be making things murky and tSaturn/Pluto/SN on your cUranus/Neptune may have triggered the unstable energies.


Hi, Hikaru29 thanks for your reply

Do you think his Moon-Saturn will eventually stop this push-pull dynamic? I blame his Venus in Taurus for the lack of maturity also. His focus is on material things more than anything at this point in his life. It's exhausting and I see right through it until he manipulates a situation and tirns my confidence into doubt and overthinking. It drives me nuts. Pluto is definitely the culprit with his conjunct my Sun/mars. I just thought I would have better control with all my Scorpio placements and my Pluto on his Mercury/Benus/Mars. I wish I could figure out his "secret code". Not too relinquish control or to dominate.. but to meet on middle ground! I'll take that. I don't want control.


We have double whammy Sun/Venus in synastry. A trine at 12 seconds fron exact and an opposite at 1 devree applying and in composite ww have a love stellium, but it's minor. Venus is making an almost exact semi-sextile which counts. I don't know how to read charts though so maybe it doesn't make an aspect and just shows up on the grid lol.

cSaturn is definitely felt by me. I believe he feels it too, but he doesn't share nearly as much responsibility as he should and it's my fault. When we first started dating, I mothered him and smothered him in love. I'm naturally selfless, though, and love being of service so it comes naturally with people in general.. I just wish I had self-contfol or exercised a little more caution so later on down the line, I won't feel so worn out and burdened.

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posted October 07, 2019 05:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stoika7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by 93nov:
Thanks for your reply, Stoika7

You hit the nail right on the head. What you described is what my intuition is telling me. The confusion stems from the fact that he's so darn good at concealing his true self. I told him once before, his personality is like an onion: Every time I peel back a new layer, there's another one underneath lol. I think a part of the issue, too, is I reveal too much too soon. I have yet to master self control when it comes to my emotions and I blame my moon ruling 3rd for that one. He knows how to sit back and observe without saying anything. This is a big part of his power and although I'm aware of his strategies (partly, anyway), I feel myself still being consumed by it like a pull I can't control or maybe I really don't want to. I find myself wanting to merge woth him. The sex is out of this WORLD (sorry if tmi)!

Do you think Transit Pluto conjunct cUranus will start to ease soon? I know Pluto just went direct again on Oct 3rd.. but next year could be the last and final pass which I am hoping for.


I try to dig deep with his family to see where the real wound lies, but I can't get past the "fluff". His family is very unconventional, but traditional all in the same breath. They're very old-fashioned and religious but partly on the surface. It's hard to describe if you don't come from a small country town or if you did and did not get to explore other parts of the world. I hope I'm making sense lol. His mom is 10 years younger than his dad and both parents have a child from a previous relationship besides him and his other siblings from them both.

I'm hoping that upcoming transit from Uranus to his natal Venus will mature him a little more. His main focus hasn't really been our relationship, but mainly monetary and material things. He drives a nice sports car and loves wearing jewelry. He doesn't really care to put energy into trivial matters like emotions and relationship issues.. & I'm blaming his maturity and his Taurus Venus.. for now lol. We're complete opposites in this department. I would rather curl up on the couch with a good book/ movie, good food, and a little ganja He would too, but eventually would want to return to the outside world.


His Venus in Taurus 6th house opposite Pluto, this is a good point about his focus on material things... he also has Jupiter in Libra square to Sun 8th house... and Chiron in Leo, so this whole configuration probably takes him towards some high "status quo" and material aspiration. But, with his Chiron square ASC/Pluto, I suspect this is a way for him to find self-assertiveness and self-worth.
On the opposite, I think your Taurus ASC is opened up and straight doesnt like games or secrets.
Transit Pluto on his Uranus is probably making his weird attitude worse right now... this is going to get better as soon as Pluto goes further, I guess towards the end of the year... also, you have transit Neptune opposite Comp. Mercury at this moment, and this makes things quite uncertain... this is getting better at the end of October. The problem is that transit Saturn will reach Comp. Uranus square Jupiter and this might make things unstable again, at the beginning of the year... This will be also conjunct to his Neptune, opposite his Mercury, so he might become very insecure again... This will be also square to your natal Moon, and might give you depression again. Try to keep these negative energies under control, keeping aware of the fact that transit Saturn is a powerful energy impacting your Moon and also this relationship (I'm having tSaturn square my Mars until the end of November and I am awfully struggling, but I'm trying to keep control over this as well! ).

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posted October 07, 2019 05:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stoika7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
Stoika is better at interpreting the charts but I just wanna drop some thoughts...


Hiraku !! ❤️ This is not true, you're so good with charts, always explaining so nicely and in-depth how aspects play out, you always give me great insight !!!

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posted October 08, 2019 09:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by 93nov:
Hi, Hikaru29 thanks for your reply

Do you think his Moon-Saturn will eventually stop this push-pull dynamic? I blame his Venus in Taurus for the lack of maturity also. His focus is on material things more than anything at this point in his life. It's exhausting and I see right through it until he manipulates a situation and tirns my confidence into doubt and overthinking. It drives me nuts. Pluto is definitely the culprit with his conjunct my Sun/mars. I just thought I would have better control with all my Scorpio placements and my Pluto on his Mercury/Benus/Mars. I wish I could figure out his "secret code". Not too relinquish control or to dominate.. but to meet on middle ground! I'll take that. I don't want control.

We have double whammy Sun/Venus in synastry. A trine at 12 seconds fron exact and an opposite at 1 devree applying and in composite ww have a love stellium, but it's minor. Venus is making an almost exact semi-sextile which counts. I don't know how to read charts though so maybe it doesn't make an aspect and just shows up on the grid lol.

cSaturn is definitely felt by me. I believe he feels it too, but he doesn't share nearly as much responsibility as he should and it's my fault. When we first started dating, I mothered him and smothered him in love. I'm naturally selfless, though, and love being of service so it comes naturally with people in general.. I just wish I had self-contfol or exercised a little more caution so later on down the line, I won't feel so worn out and burdened.


In addition to Saturn opp Moon, he also has Saturn conjunct his IC. Such people usually have to mature fast beyond his age due to events that happened in childhood (maybe issues with parents). I read that if their families were not affluent, they may find material possessions extremely important. They could also be late bloomers due to early difficulties so they need to find their foundation first. Is this the case for him?

His 8H Mercury opposite Neptune/Uranus may be the reason why they may appear dishonest. Firstly, the 8H Neptune hides their thoughts. They don't want you to know what they're thinking although they wanna know everything about you. Neptune-Mercury harsh aspects individuals can come across as liars as they're never clear with their communication so they leave you guessing. There's always "....." at the end of their sentences. Compounding the issue is his Uranus opposition that can complicate their thought process and people may find them darting from one thing to the next.

You said you mothered and smothered him and that's so in line with your 6H stellium (haha). But from what I know, men (no matter their natal) generally don't like to be mothered. I'm thinking your Venuses falling in each others' 12H may be difficult to navigate.

So what's your r/s status now? Are you guys still together?

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posted October 08, 2019 09:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Hiraku !! ❤️ This is not true, you're so good with charts, always explaining so nicely and in-depth how aspects play out, you always give me great insight !!!


Not true... you've helped me so much with my charts!
I don't usually see the different facets like you but I'm glad my analysis have given you insights. 🙂

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posted October 08, 2019 02:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stoika7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Not true... you've helped me so much with my charts!
I don't usually see the different facets like you but I'm glad my analysis have given you insights. 🙂

❤️❤️❤️ I just think we are a good team!!! 😍

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posted October 08, 2019 04:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 93nov     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
In addition to Saturn opp Moon, he also has Saturn conjunct his IC. Such people usually have to mature fast beyond his age due to events that happened in childhood (maybe issues with parents). I read that if their families were not affluent, they may find material possessions extremely important. They could also be late bloomers due to early difficulties so they need to find their foundation first. Is this the case for him?

His 8H Mercury opposite Neptune/Uranus may be the reason why they may appear dishonest. Firstly, the 8H Neptune hides their thoughts. They don't want you to know what they're thinking although they wanna know everything about you. Neptune-Mercury harsh aspects individuals can come across as liars as they're never clear with their communication so they leave you guessing. There's always "....." at the end of their sentences. Compounding the issue is his Uranus opposition that can complicate their thought process and people may find them darting from one thing to the next.

You said you mothered and smothered him and that's so in line with your 6H stellium (haha). But from what I know, men (no matter their natal) generally don't like to be mothered. I'm thinking your Venuses falling in each others' 12H may be difficult to navigate.

So what's your r/s status now? Are you guys still together?


You described him perfectly, Hikaru29

I believe it's a bit of both. He had to grow up fast being the second from the youngest of his 4 other siblings with his parents always working and tending to "more important things". But I would think that would make him mor mature, but instead, he's running from anything having to do with commitment.. until I start to pull away, that is but even then, he keeps his standoffish stance. He's so confusing lol. He keeps talking about buying a house once he gets enough money to do so but there are no real concrete plans being put into play, at least from my point of view which leads me to believe it's just another bizarre idea he doesn't want me to actually take seriously.. so maybe he DOES want to establish a foundation first, but I'm not buying it at this point. I feel like he's just whispering sweet-nothings in my ear most of the time. He DID buy me a cheap car to help me get on my feet, but I feel like that was more for his ego than for me, honestly. I believe he loves me or at least cares for me, but he's too immaturd and selfish to give me his all and to a certain extent, that's okay.. but like I said, he does this push-pull thing which keeps me in a loop. I'm eithsr all in or all out and he has given me a reason to be EITHER. Talk about frustrating.. thank you so much for discussing this with me btw.. you and Stoika7 <3

And yeah, I'm trying to lay off the mommy thing.. but it's funny because he only has an issue with it when he feels I'n trying to stop his "fun". Almost like a mother preventing a child to go play. He loves when I'm taking care of his needs and tending to him and our home (when we lived together), but once I start commenting on my issue with him going out all the time or anything I might feel is disrespectful to me and/ or our relationship, that's when he wants "mommy to go away". I had a long talk with his mom and she actually said verbstim, that's what he needs. He needs a woman to "mother" him in a way and I believe it. All of her children are boys except for the oldest sibling who is a girl and she bullied them all throughout their younger years like older siblings do. The women in his family are dominant in a way.

We are still together, but we aren't living together anymore at the moment. I left abruptly a few weeks ago and he has communicated we need space anyway so we've put some distance between us.. I just want to know if this is worth staying committed to. I know men have to grow and mature and I'm a very patient woman.. but there's a difference between him needing to marure and that just being his true nature. A lot of men, especially nowadays, aren't interested in settling down. This is my main priority and wish. A great career is nice, but nothing compared to a life partner and companion.

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posted October 09, 2019 12:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 93nov     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
At this point in our relationship, if he's not willing to move back in together eventually, there is no reason for us to continue and this has been an ongoing issue between us. We're pushing 30 and not getting any younger. He's thinking and moving like we're still teenagers. I'm not sure if it's out of fear, insecurity, and/ or he's just not interested in settling down. I would've thought those strong Saturn and Cancer placements would do the trick. His moon DOES rule the 9H though along with gemini on his 8H cusp.. fickle and flighty when it comes to the home and shared resources?

What do you guys think? Is it just our connection that's making him hesitant to commit or is this just in his nature?

I also found some evidence of where his power over me stems from: His Nessus in Pluto conjunct my Venus and Jupiter in Scorpio. THIS IS IT. Meanwhile, my Nessus is literally unaspected. Any thoughta on this?

Does anything show he would eventually be ready to commit?

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posted October 09, 2019 03:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stoika7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
His natal Saturn opposite MC/Moon/Mars looks he does not commit and lacks of sense of responsability, this also gives him poor self-worth and difficult emotional issues.
In Composite, the Neptune/Uranus square to Jupiter looks very unstable, and Pluto square Saturn opposite Chiron looks toxic to me... i.e., your union might damage your inner self-worth/balance and life direction. Nessus on your Venus/Jupiter yes, looks manipulative over your feelings, even though his Pluto square your Saturn and his Saturn square to your NN/Mars is enough to signal a draining situation... the latter also suggest the lack of clear committment.

If you want to give this a chance, I would suggest to see how those transits I have pointed out will play out... honestly, it seems to me that this relationship makes you depressed and you would need much more openness and honesty from his part.

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posted October 10, 2019 11:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@93nov,
I feel for you... it can be really frustrating dealing with a man who's fickle and unpredictable.

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He needs a woman to "mother" him in a way and I believe it.

Well, I would take that advice with a pinch of salt. Caring and mothering are quite different things IMO. To take care of his needs and to show him emotional support is caring. Mothering behaviour is to spoon feed, fuss around, nag etc.

Anyway, I tried to understand if he's simply an uncommitted person or it's just towards you. Your 6H stellium does resonate with his 6H Venus (DSC ruler) and his Virgo Mars (5H ruler). Your Mars falls in his secondary 5H and square his 5th ruler and your Sun in 6th opposes his Venus so that's good. As Sun rules your IC I believe this brings tenderness akin to Moon-Venus aspect, although ideally, you would want your Mercury/Jupiter/Pluto to be opposing his Venus as well as they're your r/s house rulers, all the more because you don't have strong Taurus/Venusian energy except your ASC. I'm not saying ASC is not important but with your strong Scorpio/6H energies, I'm guessing he probably feels that much more from you once he gets to know you better. Your plutonic energy resonates strongly with his also strong plutonic nature but what he seeks is a strong Venusian partner (as seen by his DSC). You do have Uranus/Neptune falling in his secondary 7th house trine his Venus but those are not your r/s house rulers + trine is not strong enough to compensate for the lack of a direct match via signs/house overlays. However, he seems to match your DSC more strongly with his Pluto conj ASC which conj your DSC and Sun. Hmm... take it with a pinch of salt but I feel that the attraction looks unbalanced.

Furthermore, considering Stoika's assessment on your composite, I suggest you lay back, don't stress yourself over him, and just see how it goes... ❤️

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posted October 10, 2019 11:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Stoika7:
❤️❤️❤️ I just think we are a good team!!! 😍


You give me too much credit. ❤️❤️❤️

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