posted October 23, 2019 01:17 PM            

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Originally posted by Kaylapalm:
First topic posted as a newbie here!

Wondering if anyone has any personal experience with transiting Pluto opposite natal Chiron?

I read something that said this transit can draw you to people who you know "aren't good for you", and reading that, it sounded like the writer took the words right out of my mouth. I've been seeing someone who I expected to be a temporary fling- he's got a number of traits I find troubling in a partner, including Venus in Pisces. He's got a prominent dark side, and I find when I'm with him, I get pulled into my own darkness. I keep saying he's a blind spot for me- I'm someone who ordinarily chooses to "live in the light", but he pulls me to an uncharacteristic place of chaos, sadness, jealousy, and near self-destruction.

Of course, Pluto is transiting my 8th house now, so I feel this just makes matters worse.

So, my question, for anyone who's experienced this transit is this:
Were you drawn to anyone who brought you face-to-face with your shadow? Did you feel this was therapeutic and helpful or more destructive?

I have no idea how to move forward with this guy. I am deeply attached to him and our relationship feels karmic (it has so much soul, for a lack of better words), but I have a hard time believing I'm supposed to stick around with someone who pulls me into the darkness. Though this transit tells me maybe I should because I've got lots to learn and heal from it?

Totally lost. Would love some insight!

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Hi Kaylapalm, and welcome!

Very interesting point. I'm not sure transit Pluto opposite Chiron can make this all happen on its own, it certainly can trigger Chiron in an intense "dark" way, but I would assume it is meant to give awareness and transformation.

posted October 23, 2019 02:30 PM            

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Originally posted by Stoika7:
Hi Kaylapalm, and welcome!

Very interesting point. I'm not sure transit Pluto opposite Chiron can make this all happen on its own, it certainly can trigger Chiron in an intense "dark" way, but I would assume it is meant to give awareness and transformation.

Why dont you post your synastry/composite with this person, in order to see how Pluto/Chiron plays out in your chart and how transit Pluto affects the relationship ?

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Of course! Here's our synastry chart. Inner planets are mine, outer are his.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/185139180@N02/48948826957/in/dateposted-public/

To your point, I'm experiencing a lot of difficult transits now. I've also got Saturn conjunct Uranus, Saturn transit H8, Uranus square Saturn, Chiron sextile Saturn, and more, so this hard, transformative energy seems to exist with or without this person. He simply amplifies it...tenfold.

I still have so much to learn with synastry, so pointing toward my personal Pluto-Chiron transit was my (perhaps feeble) attempt to make sense of the madness I feel with this person.

posted October 23, 2019 04:54 PM            

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Originally posted by Kaylapalm:
Of course! Here's our synastry chart. Inner planets are mine, outer are his.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/185139180@N02/48948826957/in/dateposted-public/

To your point, I'm experiencing a lot of difficult transits now. I've also got Saturn conjunct Uranus, Saturn transit H8, Uranus square Saturn, Chiron sextile Saturn, and more, so this hard, transformative energy seems to exist with or without this person. He simply amplifies it...tenfold.

I still have so much to learn with synastry, so pointing toward my personal Pluto-Chiron transit was my (perhaps feeble) attempt to make sense of the madness I feel with this person.

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posted October 23, 2019 05:10 PM            

Chiron aspects in a composite can show you are attracted to someone who is not the usual type you are attracted to.these relationships can be very painful during breakup.

focusing on the rough composite and not your natals,chir9n is square to the sun and eris. this is very much like your description. this shows a very sexual attraction. but it is not really sincerely emotional and as you say more of a fling. the chiron square shows a very over critical connection.
the venus/mars midpoint is conjunct to eris and the sun,so at first the sexual/emotio0nal chemistry was quite intense...and seemingly loving.

pluto is opposed to psyche which is often a aspect of abuse, that is the dark side enjoys the infliction of pain on the innocent and loving.this can be just emoti0nal pain but can lead to physical and sexual pain.
here this dymanic is dangerous as the node is conjunct to sturn and the south node is conjunct to orcus and so the orcus/Saturn midpoint is square the node. this is dangerously dark passions.along with the psyche aspect,this is a sign of some sort of BDSM fixation . as eros is conjunct to the node , again there is dangerously dark preoccupation with the infliction of pain.

venus is square to urnaus and square to pallas. this aspect is also very intense and shows a immediate electric physical and mental attraction. but this intensity is fleeting and the aspects are usually part of a brief romance.

a complicating factor here is that the node and Uranus give the chart a strong psychic ambience. Saturn especially and Orcus give him a Svengali like hypnotic mental affect on you .
often around him you would not think normally or rather would take his viewpoints.

in addition as the moon is opposed to mercury and square the node, there is strong telepathy between you, reading each other's minds and feelings.

currently the south node by transit was conjunct on 10/17/,Uranus at 11cap37. this is a extremely astral/psychic/emotional intense transit.the node will square the composite venus and pallas on 10/27 . so you are in the middle of a extremely intense emotional and sexual dynamic.
Uranus rule breakups and I suggest you breakup with hi now. as I said currently the attraction is very intense and I am somewhat skeptical that you can breakup as the energies are so strong. but you are correct about his dark nature and it will take a greater holds on you if you persist.

this is a dangerous guy and I think that he will begin to try to bring other people in to this relationship.

I would go far as to say he has you under his spell and if you do not get out now,now, he will gain control of your soul.

posted October 24, 2019 10:28 AM            

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Originally posted by todd:
hi Kayla
you might add the midpoint composite.
I ran a composite for you but with our the correct ascendant and midheaven as I didn't have enough time to figure out your birthplaces.

Chiron aspects in a composite can show you are attracted to someone who is not the usual type you are attracted to.these relationships can be very painful during breakup.

focusing on the rough composite and not your natals,chir9n is square to the sun and eris. this is very much like your description. this shows a very sexual attraction. but it is not really sincerely emotional and as you say more of a fling. the chiron square shows a very over critical connection.
the venus/mars midpoint is conjunct to eris and the sun,so at first the sexual/emotio0nal chemistry was quite intense...and seemingly loving.

pluto is opposed to psyche which is often a aspect of abuse, that is the dark side enjoys the infliction of pain on the innocent and loving.this can be just emoti0nal pain but can lead to physical and sexual pain.
here this dymanic is dangerous as the node is conjunct to sturn and the south node is conjunct to orcus and so the orcus/Saturn midpoint is square the node. this is dangerously dark passions.along with the psyche aspect,this is a sign of some sort of BDSM fixation . as eros is conjunct to the node , again there is dangerously dark preoccupation with the infliction of pain.

venus is square to urnaus and square to pallas. this aspect is also very intense and shows a immediate electric physical and mental attraction. but this intensity is fleeting and the aspects are usually part of a brief romance.

a complicating factor here is that the node and Uranus give the chart a strong psychic ambience. Saturn especially and Orcus give him a Svengali like hypnotic mental affect on you .
often around him you would not think normally or rather would take his viewpoints.

in addition as the moon is opposed to mercury and square the node, there is strong telepathy between you, reading each other's minds and feelings.

currently the south node by transit was conjunct on 10/17/,Uranus at 11cap37. this is a extremely astral/psychic/emotional intense transit.the node will square the composite venus and pallas on 10/27 . so you are in the middle of a extremely intense emotional and sexual dynamic.
Uranus rule breakups and I suggest you breakup with hi now. as I said currently the attraction is very intense and I am somewhat skeptical that you can breakup as the energies are so strong. but you are correct about his dark nature and it will take a greater holds on you if you persist.

this is a dangerous guy and I think that he will begin to try to bring other people in to this relationship.

I would go far as to say he has you under his spell and if you do not get out now,now, he will gain control of your soul.

again you might post the composite so that I can see the house placements
todd

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Todd,
You hit spot-on on so many things, I don't even know where to begin. All I can say is your insight validated a lot. It's a lot to take in, but I agree with what you've said. I think I've been seeing things with rose-tinted glasses, thinking we were brought together to help each other work through some of our deepest pains. Ultimately, though, you're right- he's what I would consider a dark person. I've always felt like he's glorified his depression, and uses it to feed his vices, one of which is women.

I think I've known it's time to walk away, though, as you said, he has me under his spell. Just need to work up the strength to cut ties (I've attempted to do this already and my efforts were futile- keep getting pulled back, but I shall try, try again.)

posted October 24, 2019 10:32 AM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
I had this as a kid (also opposed my Mercury, Ceres, and Sun).

I wasn't the one attracted to someone who was bad to me, my mother was engaged to someone that was bad for all of us. She ended up getting us away from him, but not before her own mental health suffered, and he became a permanent horror story for me. I didn't trust him as soon as I met him, and mum could tell, but she was gaga over him, so that was it.

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Yuck. I am so sorry you had that experience. My mom married a man I instantly knew I couldn't trust...and he proved my intuition right as time progressed. Children so often have so much intuitive insight that adults just don't pick up on.

This is both interesting and helpful. Just because the transit supports the potential for certain events to happen, we always have free will and the ability to make decisions in our own best interest.

posted October 24, 2019 10:38 AM            

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Originally posted by Stoika7:
Yes, that is what I have assumed, transits to your natal might affect the way you're experiencing the relationship, but you don't have awful Pluto aspects with this person, your Pluto conjunction forms the Gran Kite with Moon, Uranus and Mercury/Venus, this is a karmic configuration meant to solve the issues around the Venus/Pluto opposition, but it looks like a positive energy since the Kite points to the fact that those issues are transformative and give awareness...
What I find "dark" here is his Saturn in 9th house conjunct your NN in 8th house square to your Mercury (your chart ruler) conjunct his Sun... this, to me, looks like a block in how you might perceive/view the relationship, i.e. in a negative/depressing/restrictive way. And... transiting Pluto is actually heading torward that way, where it will be conjunct to your NN in a short while.
Meanwhile, transiting SN is heading to your Uranus/Uranus square to your Sun, so actually, once SN leaves such aspect, you might "detach" from this relationship. But it would be much better to look at this transit to the Composite chart to see what transit SN is hitting in there.
So, Pluto, yes, it is transiting your 8th house heading to your NN square to your Mercury, this is the aspect that is being triggered right now. As for the Chiron opposition, since you're having transiting Uranus square Saturn, it seems you're going through a stressing change in your life or in need for such a change and this might be forcing you to face some deep issues of yours and force you to deal with this, which might pose a certain struggle to you but you feel you cannot escape somehow. Basically, this looks like a deep time of transformation for you, but not an easy one.

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Stoika,

Yes, spot on in everything you said. The energy between us flows really easily. I feel SEEN by him in a way I've never felt with anyone else...then as soon as I get away from him it's like the spell is broken and my brain kicks in to say, "listen, this guy is bad news, you know better."

He's an old friend of mine I reached out to upon deciding to divorce my husband. I think my Uranus transits fed that decision (both the divorce and trying to talk to the new guy as an escape, if you will.)

posted October 24, 2019 02:15 PM            

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Originally posted by Kaylapalm:
Stoika,

Yes, spot on in everything you said. The energy between us flows really easily. I feel SEEN by him in a way I've never felt with anyone else...then as soon as I get away from him it's like the spell is broken and my brain kicks in to say, "listen, this guy is bad news, you know better."

He's an old friend of mine I reached out to upon deciding to divorce my husband. I think my Uranus transits fed that decision (both the divorce and trying to talk to the new guy as an escape, if you will.)

Thank you so much for your response. Definitely sheds some light for me!

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posted October 24, 2019 03:50 PM            

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Originally posted by Kaylapalm:
Todd,
You hit spot-on on so many things, I don't even know where to begin. All I can say is your insight validated a lot. It's a lot to take in, but I agree with what you've said. I think I've been seeing things with rose-tinted glasses, thinking we were brought together to help each other work through some of our deepest pains. Ultimately, though, you're right- he's what I would consider a dark person. I've always felt like he's glorified his depression, and uses it to feed his vices, one of which is women.

I think I've known it's time to walk away, though, as you said, he has me under his spell. Just need to work up the strength to cut ties (I've attempted to do this already and my efforts were futile- keep getting pulled back, but I shall try, try again.)

Thank you!!

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"currently the south node by transit was conjunct on 10/17/,Uranus at 11cap37. this is a extremely astral/psychic/emotional intense transit.the node will square the composite venus and pallas on 10/27 . so you are in the middle of a extremely intense emotional and sexual dynamic."

this urnaus/venus square is about the most intense sexual/emotional/psychihc connection one can experience.
this is extremely powerful because the south node has transited Uranus. this brings intense psychic/astral connections as well as the electric,"magical"sexual experience.
I was very surprised that you are considering the relationship under this transit because usually one is totally under the spell of sex/love/mental feelings.
here with pallas involved, your feelings of strength and as a person are being reinforced. I don't think this is a good thing because you are ignoring the essentially sexual nature of the hookup.

the south node transiting Uranus brings powerful "black magic" mental/psychic connections. so I understand you have tried to pull away but are unable.

as I have already said ,this is a dangerous situation because you are totally under the spell of sex. as I have said, I hope when he trues to bring others into the "relationship" that you still have enough presence of mind to realize what he is trying to do with you.

looking at you chart, you have eris square to Uranus and opposed to Nessus so you do have a very strong sexual presences and even though you have juno with the node which gives wisdom and a impulse for a committed relationship, you like to experiences life and unusual and intense affairs. you also have Eros opposed to psyche which makes you extremely romantic and idealistic, but this loving feeling can ,as you mention, make you look through rose colored glasses.

with Nessus square to Uranus, I have to wonder I you have not got yourself into unhealthy and dangerous relationships before.

Uranus rule breakups and I suggest you breakup with hi now. as I said currently the attraction is very intense and I am somewhat skeptical that you can breakup as the energies are so strong. but you are correct about his dark nature and it will take a greater holds on you if you persist.

I hope you realize when he wants to bring others into the affair that this is one step from putting you on the street.

todd