posted November 03, 2019 02:23 PM            

Since then, we managed to contact his lawyer of the last 16 years. He is advising us on how to proceed. The lawyer doesn't feel like the parole board will keep him and will agree that this has been an extreme reaction to a very minor slight. At the very least, he should of been sent back to the half-way house he lived in for 6 years until he was released on full parole...

This incarceration has cost him his job, his vehicle and everything he previously owed (his stuff was thrown out by an ex who broke up with him a few months prior to meeting me.) It has also put him far in debt. If he gets out, it will be a struggle. He's a hard worker though and has family for support.

We have been corresponding through letters and phone calls. We still love each other deeply and want to resume our relationship if he is released. If drawn up a recent Composite chart and the Synastry. I feel like there are a lot of powerful aspects, both positive and negative... Is their hope for us in the future?

[IMG]https://ibb.co/3r12bTb[/IMG] (composite)

posted November 03, 2019 03:08 PM            

Yod
North Node in 13° Capricorn
Mars in 11° Gemini
Venus in 14° Leo
Mercury in 14° Gemini

Kite
Moon in 0° Aries
Ascendant in 5° Leo
Uranus in 1° Sagittarius
Chiron in 6° Gemini

From what i've read, Grand Trines are quite powerful in a composite. But there is also a Yod - Finger of God. From what I understand about the Yod, it too is a very powerful (sometimes overpowering) energy. They are rare. Does anyone have experience with these?

This is what I found about the Yod.

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"The feelings for the individuals in this relationship configuration are frighteningly intense, highly charged sexually, obsessive in the desire to seek each other out and many times fly against all sense or reason. Many times one or both of the pair has to make painful choices. One or both may be panicked by the intensity of their feelings and either try to deny the pull or try to leave the relationship. Like a rubber band they always come back, sometimes many times. This type of relationship is a romantic’s dream and a pragmatist’s nightmare."

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posted November 03, 2019 03:11 PM            

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Originally posted by LaceyLeigh:
Take the ‘s’ out of ‘https’ and your pictures will embed.

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posted November 03, 2019 03:36 PM            

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Originally posted by Amonuet:
Thanks Lacy! Are you able to see them now? They just show up as tiny icons on my screen without the 's'.

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there are not coming up on my browser

todd

posted November 04, 2019 07:40 PM            

the composite char shows the venus/mars midpoint conjunct the south node which is very passionate and loving.eris is square to the node and venus/mars so the physical and emotional attraction is very strong it gives a feeling of an other worldly connection as you describe: "multiple serendipitous, synchronicity encounters ".
what concerns me is that you both have very strong paranormal,karmic energies running through your charts. you both have accentuated vertexs, nodes and liliths. these are energy axis connected to "higher planes.
these energies tend to give the experiences you have felt, but it is very difficult to have a relationship based on these intense energies because they often bring in other dimensions or reality.

the composite shows satrun/eris are at midheaven with the Saturn pluto midpoint conjunct the vertex. this reflects his nature of incarceration and turbulence. the vertex implies these energies will always be an issue.

your moon/Venus and sun/Venus midpoints are opposed to litlh which shows the deep, inherent love you have for him in your heart.

with the mars/venus midpoint loosely conjunct to the node and square to eris ,he too has a strong loving impulse. but nessus is opposed to Lilith and pluto is conjunct eros ,these square to Saturn with the midpoints square to psyche. these aspects can be cold and forbidding with an element of cruelty.

in the composite pallas is square to the sun and the Saturn/moon midpoint is opposed to pallas which shows there is a very strong devotions between you.

the composite juno/Jupiter midpoint is conjunct to Uranus and opposed to Chiron which is a bit destabilizing. and though there is a devotion ,it would seem that this feeling of union will be tried over and over.

it is so hard to get a handle on the composite because you both your charts have so much other worldly energies.

my feeling is that the relationship though loving will be very tense at times with,him especially, descending into shadows at times.

the tricomposite currently is quite favorable as Saturn and the moon atr conjunct showing the powerful devotion you feel for each other. Jupiter conjunct to eros and pluto and sextile to Uranus/Neptune and sextile to venus. it looks like the legal matters will lead to a favorable situation for him and your love is very sustaining both of you.
the juno/Jupiter midpoint is conjunct to ceres which is another very favorable indication you will be together.

the progressed composite is favorable also. Jupiter is sextile to juno with juno conjunct to the node and Lilith.this tend to show the legal matter will turn out favorably.

but Uranus is square the vertex ,so again there is a possibility of the higher planes brings unexpected changes.

but frankly,with mars square to Venus and opposed to Neptune, another person may enter the situation. this t square can show the intense physical /emotional love between you , but Neptune often brings unknown or deceptive elements into a relationships.
so it is not positive that you and he will establish a one on one relationship

posted November 04, 2019 11:35 PM            

Thank you so much! Once again you analysis and time is very appreciated. You certainly picked up on those paranormal forces at play. I couldn't see it all clearly in the chart.

Studying the charts individually may help me gain further insight into these challenges...We have a lot of positives to help us along the journey, but is very much feels like a spiritual battle.

Both of us have lived exceedingly challenging lives with heavy spiritual forces at work through much of the events that we have experienced (family curses, intergenerational trauma, etc). I imagine that is what you are seeing in the natal charts. I think know what those paranormal forces are - so it comes down to our individual abilities to overcome them.
If we do end up together, our relationship essentially forces me to confront certain things in my past and future that I may otherwise might not have.

posted November 05, 2019 05:25 AM            

And I see things a little differently. Not so much in the "spiritual" sense at all am afraid.Though there is Nepune in your chart to account for your view.Mine is more of concern really.

I have this theory that Uranus in aspect to Venus,Aqua Venus,Aqua Dsc or Uranus 7th tends to have one find oneself in these sitiatuons i.e there are interruptions or disturbances between them and the object of their attention as to make the relationship challenged by distance or some type of unusual inconsistency or interference.

You have Uranus/Neptune opposite Venus. And add to that Sun/Moon in 12th-classic placement for someone who has relationships or ties to people who are either incarcerated or living in a foreign land.

Whatever the premise, the people you are bonded to are separated by place,time or distance from you(sometimes metaphorically emotional distance so as not to be present)

Sun/Moon also suggests absent parental figures or inability to connect with parents. This Sun/Moon midpoint can extend psychologically to being unable to connect with people on the whole i.e to feel lonely, unwanted, isolated or misunderstood.

I see this as similar in essence to how people who are held in prisons/shelters or orphanages feel. The "outcasts" ,disenfranchised, the addicts, the fringe of society etc.

And so I wonder that with your Sun/Moon/Mercury in 12th as well as Venus/Mars both in aspect to Neptune, do you feel a strong identification with them?

My concern is that he is 17 years your senior. He has far more life experience than you. And so I sense a "father figure" projection on to him.But that could also open you up to "hero" worship and idolisation. And on his end...manipulation.

I already see from your post the deep Neptune language i.e "multiple serendipitous" and "incredible Cree man" etc when you have only been dating for 2 weeks?

Then how defensive you are of him when his arrest is all because he concealed the relationship he has with you. As if to trivialize it all as an exaggerated "misunderstanding"(Neptune)

Yet you assert that he was forthcoming about it? How do you know all that? Is it because he told you so? And why was he arrested in the first place?

I have several concerns just looking at your chart alone(and its not only the age gap). Its the 12th house/Neptune emphasis. And then the Chiron-Mars conj which tends to have a "bleeding heart" syndrome for those "poor, folorn & misunderstood".

The ruler of your 7th is Jupiter(Leo) and it opposes Saturn. You are very hard on yourself and ththiaffects whom you are drawn to i.e "there aren't many suitors for me."

Ruler of the 5th(Sun) is opposed by Pluto and trines Chiron. You may find mystery and secrecy attractive. The people you are attracted to are however complex and likely very suspicious(they don't trust easily)

When you have distance between yourself and someone you are interested in, it tends to romanticize things a whole lot.And that's because you are not dealing with them on a day-day basis to see any flaws.

Also he is far into debt, has a bitter ex who threw his stuff out.And then all of a sudden, he is bouncing back with you? No traces of the feelings for the ex present?

Correspondence through letters and/or phone calls is also not an avenue to get to know someone who is behind bars. They have all the time in the world to "invent" a personality that is most positively predisposed to what you like. Be careful.

I haven't looked at his chart as I found it unnecessary to do that tbh. Yours was enough for me to surmise that this "relationship" is tantamount to a fantasy that ends in heartbreak. Neptune is strong in aspect to your planets AND it opposes Chiron(pain)

You may be looking for security(Taurus Moon) and reliability. But he is not it. The need to care and be cared for (Mars in Cancer) could be fueling these needs to. But the accompanying Chiron in Cancer warns of pain associated with such matters.

Again,bE CAREFUL. As I don't believe that you are seeing him clearly at all.

posted November 05, 2019 04:43 PM            

I really appreciate you taking the time to reply and interpret the charts. There were a few posts prior I had made regarding the matter, which is why I had referred to Todd(who had given some advice previously.) But I thank you regardless.

I'll provide a bit of context in order for you to perhaps apply your analysis on the situation with a bit more clarity. Although I don't disagree, I feel with context we may get a more clear interpretation of what is going on. The story may be a little long so please bare with me...

I met this man almost a year ago. Prior to that, I had met his ex-girlfriend a few years ago at a Cree brush-down ceremony. You had asked the premise of the relationship with my parents. My mother is a severe alcoholic and I left my home when was 14 to live with my Eurocanandian adoptive grandparents. I am also Cree/Metis on my mother's side and Cherokee/Africa-american on my father's side. I have never met my father. He is currently incarcerated as well and serving a life sentence with no chance of parole for 25 years, for the murder of a young Cree girl. Although he did not commit the crime, he was the driver. The girl's death in 2004 resulted in a huge movement that is now often referred to as MMIW "Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women." Recently the Supreme Court of Canada has acknowledged that MMIW are a result of the systemic genocide against our people.

I grew up not knowing my father's identity or anything about this murder up until just a few years ago.

Much of my work has been fueled and inspired by MMIW, the over-representation of Indigenous peoples incarcerated in Canada and the systemic racism deeply indebted in our judicial and child welfare system. I am professional writer, artist and costumed Indigenous Peoples Interpreter at a Living History museum. My work was how I met my for SO the second time...

When I found out about my father, I went to that brush-down ceremony I mentioned previously. I prayed hard for a lot of things. A brush-down is where an elder and a oskpeweis (helper) brush you down with sage smudge and eagle feathers to remove negativity, illness, etc. The helper was my SO's ex. The elder informed me a blue light had passed through my body and I was to bring a blue prayer tie back to him. When I left the ceremony, another elder and my friend told me they heard a woman scream during my brush-down. When I walked out of the building and opened up my facebook, an article about the girl who was murdered, was the FIRST thing that popped up on my feed. I broke down crying, not believing what had just happened was even possible. I'm mostly a skeptic: but this was intense and chilling.

Fast forward a few years later, my adoptive grandmother passed away this April. I went to a sweat-lodge ceremony to pray for her and say good bye. MY S.O and his ex were there with their child. Ironically I sat next to her. One thing I haven't mentioned, both of us have young children close to the same age (12months & 18months). We were both with different partners at this time. After the ceremony, there was snow on the ground and my car got stuck. My SO offered to help and got the car unstuck. That was when I first met him.

Fast forward to August, many months later, I was working at a Heritage Festival event with my company and we were all in costume interpreting with our Tipis, fur trade stuff, etc. That's when I saw him walking up the hill and he reintroduced himself to me as the man who got me out of the snow at the sweat-lodge. He was volunteering with the Native Friendship center at the pavilion next to me. We both worked that whole weekend so we'd often chat and visit on our breaks. My colleagues and boss took a liking to him and my boss even later reached out to him with the interest to hire him. My colleague had also grown up with him on the same reserve and had nothing but good things to say about him.

By this time, it was clear we were both sweet on each other and decided to go out after our last shift. That's when he told me that he had recently separated from his ex two months ago. I had also just separated from my abusive ex. Both of us were deeply unhappy in these unions and had children with people we didn't plan to. Both of us chose to stay with those people for the children's sake, but it didn't work out for either of us. So things just felt so opportune. He told me right away that he was on parole and he has served 16 years in prison.

The age gap didn't bother me. My ex was 40 and I have always been an old soul, with older friends. And for some reason, my SO didn't feel aged or look it. I felt in my heart like he had stayed 30 (the age he was incarcerated.) When I asked him if he felt this way, I shocked him. He really did feel this way.

16 years is a long time in prison, I know. And now the big question. Why is he in? And the answer lies in the systemic racism i've mentioned a few times.
He was born on really rough reserve. His parents had been in residential schools (where thousands of children were raped, beaten and forbidden to practice their culture or speak their language) and he himself attended a boarding school of a similar nature. The conditions on these reserves is like a 3rd world.

A small example: the day he was born, his father tried to SHOOT his mother in a drunken rage. That is the kind of systemic violence i'm talking about - nevermind the alcohol and drugs. And my family was no different. In fact, you could argue that my family was far, far worse - because we didn't grow up on reserve and we lost our culture 100%. My family lost our reserve in 1958 and we roughed it on city streets from that point onward.

My S.O has a large family and they all managed to maintain their cultural connections and ceremonies. We didn't. I have uncles that were also in prison for murder and gang violence, etc. My own grandmother died after a exorcism conducted by a catholic priest (these are the supernatural things that Todd is seeing.)

Back to my S.O and his 16 year prison sentence. When was 30 he finally was on the road to sobriety and he went into rehab. He was sober 9 months and was driving home to the reserve one night. There was a car crash on the road and he went to the scene. Four people were dead or dying, all of them he knew. He helped a paramedic flip over one man, stabilizing his neck in his lap because his neck was broken. He held his hand as the paramedic tried to save him but he died right in my SO's lap.

The people in the car who had died? They had been on their way to pick someone up that night and that person never showed. 3 minutes later they were all dead. My SO finally caved and started drinking again a few weeks later. It was a horrible bender where he kept blacking in and out. The trauma from that crash haunted him for weeks. At the party, he remembered seeing a man step up onto a picnic bench and yell "here I am!" It was the person those 4 people had been on there way to pick up that night... He also knew this man from his community as a drug dealer who had raped his own aunt. There was a lot of building resentment. He felt like this guy was 100% responsible for everything that was happening to him and his people.

My SO snapped and blacked out. When he came to, he was being beaten by the guy against his car and then he blacked out again. When he came to - he killed him.

My SO was sentenced with 2nd degree murder and life in prison. I know all of this is accurate and true: i've discussed his case several times with his lawyer, who has stuck with him for 16 years.

I've sat down to have tea with his mother, aunts and sisters. We have talked candidly and openly with each other about the entire situation and their family history. (I should mention, they are all doing much better these days. No drugs, violence etc.) And I've been in contact with his family and friends since August (four months now) since he was re-incarcerated.

I can confidently say that I DO know this man and I DO see him clearly. If there was any deception, someone would have informed me long ago. But I do of course appreciate your concern. During the two weeks that we had to date, everyone who met him really approved of us together. His mother even liked me (apparently she has hated every girlfriend he's ever had.)

But what made me trust him was my adoptive grandfather. My grandfather is the most, honest, kind and hard-working man I've ever known. He's been lost since my grandma died, so other family moved into his place. He needed a new room, so my S.O framed, insulated and dry-walled a room for him in a single day. Both my grandfather and he are carpenters by trade. They spent a few days getting to know one another and my grandfather really liked him a lot. His judge of character has never, ever been wrong...

My point being, my S.O is not a bad man. Those 16 years were spent working on himself and committing to his culture and spirituality. That is why he was out on parole: he earned it. He was always working, volunteering or trying to provide for his child or working out in the community for the people. He wasn't getting into trouble by ANY stretch.

Now, i've spoken to his parole officer personally about why he decided to throw him back in prison. In the P.O's own words, it is because he felt that my SO was "being deceptive towards him" about our new relationship. I will stress that this is NOT true. He told him about our relationship truthfully: the problem was the ex-girlfriend.

He hadn't had any charges laid against him. In fact, he hasn't even breached parole: his parole is simply suspended until the parole board determines if they have grounds to keep him there, which they don't.

When the ex-girlfriend discovered that we were dating, the two of them had been separated for two months but they were still living in the same house. I was doing the same with my ex. We were both transitioning and finding new places to live. This ex had broke up with him, but despite that, she decided to get insanely jealous and accused us both of cheating and having an affair. Her argument was that we had been dating longer than two weeks (which wasn't true.)

SHE told the parole officer that he was being deceiving. All of my SO's family absolutely despises her and has gone as far to demand a DNA test on her baby, because they are all convinced she was using him for his identity and culture (this is a white woman who uses Cree spirituality at her job.) My SO's mother and cousins had arranged to pick up all of his belongings from their residence. The ex proceeded to throw away ALL of his possessions (very much illegal.)

posted November 05, 2019 06:17 PM            

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Originally posted by Amonuet:
Hello again Todd,

Thank you so much! Once again you analysis and time is very appreciated. You certainly picked up on those paranormal forces at play. I couldn't see it all clearly in the chart.

Studying the charts individually may help me gain further insight into these challenges...We have a lot of positives to help us along the journey, but is very much feels like a spiritual battle.

Both of us have lived exceedingly challenging lives with heavy spiritual forces at work through much of the events that we have experienced (family curses, intergenerational trauma, etc). I imagine that is what you are seeing in the natal charts. I think know what those paranormal forces are - so it comes down to our individual abilities to overcome them.
If we do end up together, our relationship essentially forces me to confront certain things in my past and future that I may otherwise might not have.

He just had a pipe ceremony for us this evening and prayed for a favorable outcome.

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hi Amonuet

I have a few more thoughts about your situation.
first as both you and your lover have strong "otherworldly" energies, I thought that as you are of indigenous tribal heritage that I could more accurately describes these energies as a function of the Great Spirit rather than just "energies".

second ,the progressed charts mars/venus/Neptune t square though it can show deception in relationships, it can also show strong spiritual bonds.

so after reading "He just had a pipe ceremony for us this evening and prayed for a favorable outcome", I feel more favorable for the relationship as a strong spiritual commitment as he has showed and as you obviously have also, the deceptive quality of Neptune, in your charts, does not seem to arise rather your spiritual connection will bring the relationship together.

todd

posted November 06, 2019 12:06 PM            

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Originally posted by Amonuet:
Hello Aries23Degrees,

I really appreciate you taking the time to reply and interpret the charts. There were a few posts prior I had made regarding the matter, which is why I had referred to Todd(who had given some advice previously.) But I thank you regardless.

I'll provide a bit of context in order for you to perhaps apply your analysis on the situation with a bit more clarity. Although I don't disagree, I feel with context we may get a more clear interpretation of what is going on. The story may be a little long so please bare with me...

I met this man almost a year ago. Prior to that, I had met his ex-girlfriend a few years ago at a Cree brush-down ceremony. You had asked the premise of the relationship with my parents. My mother is a severe alcoholic and I left my home when was 14 to live with my Eurocanandian adoptive grandparents. I am also Cree/Metis on my mother's side and Cherokee/Africa-american on my father's side. I have never met my father. He is currently incarcerated as well and serving a life sentence with no chance of parole for 25 years, for the murder of a young Cree girl. Although he did not commit the crime, he was the driver. The girl's death in 2004 resulted in a huge movement that is now often referred to as MMIW "Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women." Recently the Supreme Court of Canada has acknowledged that MMIW are a result of the systemic genocide against our people.

I grew up not knowing my father's identity or anything about this murder up until just a few years ago.

Much of my work has been fueled and inspired by MMIW, the over-representation of Indigenous peoples incarcerated in Canada and the systemic racism deeply indebted in our judicial and child welfare system. I am professional writer, artist and costumed Indigenous Peoples Interpreter at a Living History museum. My work was how I met my for SO the second time...

When I found out about my father, I went to that brush-down ceremony I mentioned previously. I prayed hard for a lot of things. A brush-down is where an elder and a oskpeweis (helper) brush you down with sage smudge and eagle feathers to remove negativity, illness, etc. The helper was my SO's ex. The elder informed me a blue light had passed through my body and I was to bring a blue prayer tie back to him. When I left the ceremony, another elder and my friend told me they heard a woman scream during my brush-down. When I walked out of the building and opened up my facebook, an article about the girl who was murdered, was the FIRST thing that popped up on my feed. I broke down crying, not believing what had just happened was even possible. I'm mostly a skeptic: but this was intense and chilling.

Fast forward a few years later, my adoptive grandmother passed away this April. I went to a sweat-lodge ceremony to pray for her and say good bye. MY S.O and his ex were there with their child. Ironically I sat next to her. One thing I haven't mentioned, both of us have young children close to the same age (12months & 18months). We were both with different partners at this time. After the ceremony, there was snow on the ground and my car got stuck. My SO offered to help and got the car unstuck. That was when I first met him.

Fast forward to August, many months later, I was working at a Heritage Festival event with my company and we were all in costume interpreting with our Tipis, fur trade stuff, etc. That's when I saw him walking up the hill and he reintroduced himself to me as the man who got me out of the snow at the sweat-lodge. He was volunteering with the Native Friendship center at the pavilion next to me. We both worked that whole weekend so we'd often chat and visit on our breaks. My colleagues and boss took a liking to him and my boss even later reached out to him with the interest to hire him. My colleague had also grown up with him on the same reserve and had nothing but good things to say about him.

By this time, it was clear we were both sweet on each other and decided to go out after our last shift. That's when he told me that he had recently separated from his ex two months ago. I had also just separated from my abusive ex. Both of us were deeply unhappy in these unions and had children with people we didn't plan to. Both of us chose to stay with those people for the children's sake, but it didn't work out for either of us. So things just felt so opportune. He told me right away that he was on parole and he has served 16 years in prison.

The age gap didn't bother me. My ex was 40 and I have always been an old soul, with older friends. And for some reason, my SO didn't feel aged or look it. I felt in my heart like he had stayed 30 (the age he was incarcerated.) When I asked him if he felt this way, I shocked him. He really did feel this way.

16 years is a long time in prison, I know. And now the big question. Why is he in? And the answer lies in the systemic racism i've mentioned a few times.
He was born on really rough reserve. His parents had been in residential schools (where thousands of children were raped, beaten and forbidden to practice their culture or speak their language) and he himself attended a boarding school of a similar nature. The conditions on these reserves is like a 3rd world.

A small example: the day he was born, his father tried to SHOOT his mother in a drunken rage. That is the kind of systemic violence i'm talking about - nevermind the alcohol and drugs. And my family was no different. In fact, you could argue that my family was far, far worse - because we didn't grow up on reserve and we lost our culture 100%. My family lost our reserve in 1958 and we roughed it on city streets from that point onward.

My S.O has a large family and they all managed to maintain their cultural connections and ceremonies. We didn't. I have uncles that were also in prison for murder and gang violence, etc. My own grandmother died after a exorcism conducted by a catholic priest (these are the supernatural things that Todd is seeing.)

Back to my S.O and his 16 year prison sentence. When was 30 he finally was on the road to sobriety and he went into rehab. He was sober 9 months and was driving home to the reserve one night. There was a car crash on the road and he went to the scene. Four people were dead or dying, all of them he knew. He helped a paramedic flip over one man, stabilizing his neck in his lap because his neck was broken. He held his hand as the paramedic tried to save him but he died right in my SO's lap.

The people in the car who had died? They had been on their way to pick someone up that night and that person never showed. 3 minutes later they were all dead. My SO finally caved and started drinking again a few weeks later. It was a horrible bender where he kept blacking in and out. The trauma from that crash haunted him for weeks. At the party, he remembered seeing a man step up onto a picnic bench and yell "here I am!" It was the person those 4 people had been on there way to pick up that night... He also knew this man from his community as a drug dealer who had raped his own aunt. There was a lot of building resentment. He felt like this guy was 100% responsible for everything that was happening to him and his people.

My SO snapped and blacked out. When he came to, he was being beaten by the guy against his car and then he blacked out again. When he came to - he killed him.

My SO was sentenced with 2nd degree murder and life in prison. I know all of this is accurate and true: i've discussed his case several times with his lawyer, who has stuck with him for 16 years.

I've sat down to have tea with his mother, aunts and sisters. We have talked candidly and openly with each other about the entire situation and their family history. (I should mention, they are all doing much better these days. No drugs, violence etc.) And I've been in contact with his family and friends since August (four months now) since he was re-incarcerated.

I can confidently say that I DO know this man and I DO see him clearly. If there was any deception, someone would have informed me long ago. But I do of course appreciate your concern. During the two weeks that we had to date, everyone who met him really approved of us together. His mother even liked me (apparently she has hated every girlfriend he's ever had.)

But what made me trust him was my adoptive grandfather. My grandfather is the most, honest, kind and hard-working man I've ever known. He's been lost since my grandma died, so other family moved into his place. He needed a new room, so my S.O framed, insulated and dry-walled a room for him in a single day. Both my grandfather and he are carpenters by trade. They spent a few days getting to know one another and my grandfather really liked him a lot. His judge of character has never, ever been wrong...

My point being, my S.O is not a bad man. Those 16 years were spent working on himself and committing to his culture and spirituality. That is why he was out on parole: he earned it. He was always working, volunteering or trying to provide for his child or working out in the community for the people. He wasn't getting into trouble by ANY stretch.

Now, i've spoken to his parole officer personally about why he decided to throw him back in prison. In the P.O's own words, it is because he felt that my SO was "being deceptive towards him" about our new relationship. I will stress that this is NOT true. He told him about our relationship truthfully: the problem was the ex-girlfriend.

He hadn't had any charges laid against him. In fact, he hasn't even breached parole: his parole is simply suspended until the parole board determines if they have grounds to keep him there, which they don't.

When the ex-girlfriend discovered that we were dating, the two of them had been separated for two months but they were still living in the same house. I was doing the same with my ex. We were both transitioning and finding new places to live. This ex had broke up with him, but despite that, she decided to get insanely jealous and accused us both of cheating and having an affair. Her argument was that we had been dating longer than two weeks (which wasn't true.)

SHE told the parole officer that he was being deceiving. All of my SO's family absolutely despises her and has gone as far to demand a DNA test on her baby, because they are all convinced she was using him for his identity and culture (this is a white woman who uses Cree spirituality at her job.) My SO's mother and cousins had arranged to pick up all of his belongings from their residence. The ex proceeded to throw away ALL of his possessions (very much illegal.)

So that is the jist of it. The only person who has been deceptive is the ex. Its pretty damn shameful.

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Wow. What an incredible story Do people go through such trauma all in one life? Unbelievable.

Well, it seems I did catch the bus late and didn't get the whole story. Relooking at my response(with all the typos and spelling mistakes therein) I am a little embarrassed.

Thank you for taking the time to write and clarify things in such an eloquent and calm way. This especially when my post was so judgemental!. I thought you were going to tell me to mind my own.

But i think where I was coming from was a place of genuine fear for another Neptune person(being a Neptune-Suj conj person myself). I have a Pisces moon friend whose own story with an ex prisoner didn't end well. So I was seeing flashes.

This especially when he also spoke of "meant to be" and the two of them had this whirlwind romance that everyone(including myself) was "jealous" of.

There is so much say. Its so Intricate and layered. But I suspected the part about parents to be distant from you in one way or the other as likely(12th house is like that).

You both have been through so much and the journey towards healing is luckily underway.And the attraction to each is also quite mystical(Neptune at best can do that too).

posted November 06, 2019 04:51 PM            

Well if I can deduce anything by your screen-name: you are fiery and passionate. Your heart and concern was in your last post, which isn't necessarily a negative thing haha. The fact that you have dealt with a prison situation yourself would definitely stir up some residual fears.

However, I realize that my situation seems unbelievable, at best. We often see lives playing out like this in the movies - not in reality, so I don't blame you jumping the gun. There is no way you could of known the parameters.

I figured with some context you'd see right away that my situation isn't your run-of-the-mill love story. It's more of a stress-inducing novel that makes you want to shake your fist at the sky and scream "WHO WROTE THIS?!?"

posted November 06, 2019 05:05 PM            

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Originally posted by todd:

hi Amonuet

I have a few more thoughts about your situation.
first as both you and your lover have strong "otherworldly" energies, I thought that as you are of indigenous tribal heritage that I could more accurately describes these energies as a function of the Great Spirit rather than just "energies".

second ,the progressed charts mars/venus/Neptune t square though it can show deception in relationships, it can also show strong spiritual bonds.

so after reading "He just had a pipe ceremony for us this evening and prayed for a favorable outcome", I feel more favorable for the relationship as a strong spiritual commitment as he has showed and as you obviously have also, the deceptive quality of Neptune, in your charts, does not seem to arise rather your spiritual connection will bring the relationship together.

todd

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Hello todd,

Thank you for the additional input! I seemed to have missed you last few posts, my apologies.

The Lakota often call the Great Spirit "Wanka Tanka" or the Great Mystery. Referring to these energies as such seems really fitting. It isn't Cree, but a lot of our teachings and ceremonies are similar. It would seem that both of us are being forced to take spiritual authority over our lives.

I walked away from this path a few years ago because I was not walking the Red Road in a good way. My partner also tried Sun Dancing, but they spiritual work it required destroyed him, as he was also not ready. To seems like we are being forced back on the Red Road.

That is the thing about our medicine and our ceremonies, they are just so incredibly powerful and intense and they need to be respected with protocol. I fear that we have brought "bad medicine" upon ourselves somehow...

I need to confer more with an elder on how to balance things with the Grandfathers & Grandmothers (spirits, messengers to the Creator.) There are obviously things I need to be doing that I am not. I'm running away from ceremony when I should be running to it.

posted November 08, 2019 12:33 PM            

I however don't have Chiron in Aries in 7th. But I do have Chiron inconjunct super energized Pluto in 7th.And the results are eerily similar in how we both respond to others.

You might want to sit down, this will take a while to read through. What a fascinating chart he has-very layered.And I couldn't cover everything here as I would be writing pages and pages upon pages and pages of aspect patterns. So I will try to hone focus on a few.

Firstly, his Venus in Virgo conjunct Pluto widely & in the same house, explains the carpentry trade to me perfectly. Look at this:

Venus is in Virgo.Someone who enjoys(Venus) working with their hands(Virgo is ruled by Mercury which gifts people with the attention to precision and being "hands-on" or "handy" women/men)

The wide conjunction and same house placement with Plu pumps Ven with an obsessive need for perfection/ precision.To bring about beauty(Venus) through creating something useful(Virgo) and durable(earth).

These people tend to get obsessive about a task.The details of it consume them-especially if they work alone- as they are consummate professionals- until the task is complete.

It is a miracle that they finish what they start at all infact,because there's always self criticism/complaints (from themselves) on how they could have done certain aspects of the job "better".

They show their affection through trying to be of service to those they care about, to better themselves for the people they love or adding tangible value in their lives through quiet assistance- by doing the dirty "thankless" tasks.

These people will fix your house,wash you when you can't do it yourself,pick up after you, get your meds, feed you,mop your vomit etc. In his case, I feel that he could have also easily become a nurse or caregiver with the added below placements;

Pisces in the 6th house cusp
Moon/Jupiter conjunct in the 4th.

I see that with Ven/Plu placement in 12th, he does these acts of service for free or through volunteering. And so, it is easy for him to overwork himself and then undervalue his capabilities (as a carpenter) especially when he is doing professional work.

He may not know his worth(Ven in 12th) or have people cheat him. This can happen with people who have Pis on the 6th house cusp and Venus(our self worth) hidden away from us in the 12th.

It feels uncomfortable or "wrong" to him to ask for payment for his services or to insist on a higher payout etc.This is his blindspot and people can take advantage of that. You may need to help him with that.

Now that brings me to his Moon/Jupiter in Aqu in the 4th. And with it comes big (Jup)emotions (Moo)& a strong sense of being a part of a community(Aqu) through one's heritage (4th) and bloodline.

Ofcourse Aqua on the Ic can also suggest being displaced as a family or being torn away from ones toots and home-therefore feeling like an Alien or the "orphan" of the world etc.

With 9th house cusp in Gem, there are a lot of things that he learns from aunts, neighbors, the immediate environment, cousins etc. through driving around or short trips(Gem on the 9th).

Saturn is debilitated when in Cancer as this suggests that as much as our family/sorroundings provides structure and security,they also inhibit us.

We feel a sense of heavy responsibility for them that we can't go anywhere(Sat) or grow (9th)outside of them (Sat). So our contact with the world beyond what we know is limited or controlled.

This may result in limited/lost opportunities to study ,travel or advance ourselves intellectually outside of them -without feeling like we are turning away from them. Or that we are "abandoning" them etc.

One thing that Saturn in Cancer may have to ingest, is that they still need to do what they feel they want to do(Cancer) and manage the guilt(Sat).Because it is through the advancement of them as individuals first, that they are then able to meet the obligations of others.

If they confuse the two, they may feel both love and resentment for their family. On the one hand wanting to protect them.But then on the other hand feeling that the heavy weight of responsibility imposed upon them, imits them from looking within and following their own instincts.

Now this devotion to others is extended to Sun in Leo in the 11th. Here the heart(Leo) of the individual belongs to the whole/group(11th).The ego of the group and the individual are (quite frankly) indivisible. The isolation from the group can even impair the self so much, that heart problems occur(Leo Sun is at home and both Leo and the Sun planet allude to the heart).

So your man is "a man of the people".As he feels he doesn't belong solely to himself and "IS" because "WE ARE" etc. The thread of this mentality goes on to the natural modern ruler of the 11th(Uranus) in the 1st.

This is like Aqua on steroids and is definitively how one sees oneself-forever connected to the group or the community one belongs to and/or the race one is born under.

So the herd mentality "injury to one is injury to all" can rule.And this sense of sensitivity has these people react to things that may not necessarily impact on them in their personal capacity.But "through" a group/society /family(in this case Uranus rules the 4th) they care about.

So issues of the family directly impact him(in his case). He doesn't see himself outside of the family at all and his ego self(1st) is immersed in that.

Of course naturally Uranus in 1st will also bring to it a quirky personality or someone with certain unusual physical or habitual actions i.e a unique walk/head, a gap in the front teeth, unusually coloured eyes or a body that is definitive(very lanky/tall or very short to even dwarflike)

With Uranus in Libra,these quirks will be likeable or palatable to a point where they are even found very attractive (Venus rules Lib) so as to make them sort out after etc. because they are usually quite rare to find.

The opposition of Chiron in Aries to Uranus in Lib from the 7th brings anger and rage forth- most typically due to what he considers a personal affront(1st) and clear injustice(Libra).

The 7th Chiron in Aries means he projects to others a lot.He is "motivated" by agressive others or the heated circumstances(Aries 7th) to act or retaliate i.e "Its their fault.They made me angry.They came with the drama. I blame them" etc.

This is his achilles heel as he has a deeply sensitive nature (Chiron in Arie opp Uranus) that can be easily set off by others.

His ex-girlfriend may be more acquainted with this fiery repsonse and may even "provoke" a rection from him etc.And So would others who know him more intimately and are privy to thiss

But for the rest of the Billion full population, they may unwittingly "**** him off", whether they know this or not. And herein is my concern. As he can easily fly off in rage. And when he does, he is not selective about whom to vent on.

Mars in 7th exacerbates the rage when in slow and thorough Taurus by being stubborn and bottling up resentment for a long time before exploding! This Mars in Taurus together with Uranus in 1st(head) and Chiron in Aries(head) opposing it, sums out the "black outs".

"Blackout" by definition is cerebral(Head/Aries) impairment (Chiron).This is also symbolic of Uranus (impairment) in 1st house(head). Mars(head) in opposition with Uranus(impairment).Or else Merc (cerebral) square Mars (impairment). And even Moon in cerebral Aqua being squared by "lets slow things way way down"/impair them Taurus Mars.

Isn't astrology just awesome? So his drinking doesn't help things either.He may need to need to continue to work on that.It exacerbates things as he has a sensitive Mars planet(like me).

What he must know(coming from a fellow Pluto in 7th and Mars conj Dsc) is that people will always push him to the edge( Aries 7th) even YOU will push his buttons and not be conscious of that.

posted November 10, 2019 03:25 PM            

Thank you very much for your time and interpretation again! There is so much about him that resonates with all these placements. It is a little tragic that someone who acts so much outside of himself for others (the humantiarian) has to be so restricted by his 12th house and maelficted Mars.

I was actually able to study his chart a bit more over the last several days. I believe I set his time of birth to 11:00a.m. previously (my own guess, because we don't know his exact time of birth, only that it was in the morning). However, he told me previously that he guessed it at about 10:30a.m.
When I adjusted the chart to that time, it really fit his life and personality quite well. ( I think todd actually agreed in a previous post that 10:30a.m. more accurately fit too.)

The reason being, 10:30a.m. tips Mars perfectly in the 8th House. Check this out: "Mars usually brings a violent death, which happens rather suddenly. This placement could bring a death by a sharp object, a bullet, an accident or war. In case that the planet has good aspects from other celestial bodies, it would bring at least one near-death experience. The chart owner will get transformed; usually in a very positive way. After that experience, his gates to the other realms will permanently be more open than previously, and it may even grant psychic powers.

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How crazy accurate does that sound!? I noticed that 10:30a.m. doesn't change much else, but that Mars in the 8th with hard aspects (Mercury Squares Mars) would really bring about those intense experiences of violence, addictions, trauma, sexual deviancy, etc.

Luckily he is an older man now and he has actually maintained sobriety for many years. He does not drink at all too, so i'm really proud of him.

I noticed 10:30p.m. also puts a tight conjunction between Pluto and his Ascendant in the 12th house. Also very interesting: "Pluto conjunct the Ascendant in a natal chart is a strong indicator of power. More specifically, the power over others. This force is not always perceived by the person who has it and exercises it; the whole procedure can be done subconsciously, especially if Pluto lays in the 12th house.

...Copyright (©) https://theastrocodex.com - Read more at https://theastrocodex.com/natal-pluto-conjunct-the-ascendant/"
I think this really fits in well with his role. In prison, he is very much a stable, wise and spiritual mentor/leader to the other men. (He was Chief of the Native Brotherhood and President of the Chess club, for example.)

"Firstly, his Venus in Virgo conjunct Pluto widely & in the same house, explains the carpentry trade to me perfectly. "

I very much agree with you! My heart was singing, because these are the many things I love the most about him. He told me last night he had a dream about us in a new house *he* built haha. My son also keeps asking me if he will build a treehouse for him.

"These people will fix your house,wash you when you can't do it yourself,pick up after you, get your meds, feed you,mop your vomit etc. In his case, I feel that he could have also easily become a nurse or caregiver with the added below placements;" YES! This is him to the T. He just promised me when he gets out he will be shoveling my sidewalks lol.

The only thing 10:30a.m. really changed was the 9th house placement into Taurus, which still fit him well.

"This is like Aqua on steroids and is definitively how one sees oneself-forever connected to the group or the community one belongs to and/or the race one is born under." This made me chuckle a little. With him being First Nations, this of course is the reason why he is so tied to his cultural roots. I imagine he will be an elder passing down teachings & ceremonies to younger men very soon. He said he had another dream about this very thing.

"So issues of the family directly impact him(in his case). He doesn't see himself outside of the family at all and his ego self(1st) is immersed in that." Yes. This is why in his letters he writes so much about his family, relationships and upbringing having an impact on the choices that lead to his incarceration.

"Of course naturally Uranus in 1st will also bring to it a quirky personality or someone with certain unusual physical or habitual actions i.e a unique walk/head, a gap in the front teeth, unusually coloured eyes or a body that is definitive(very lanky/tall or very short to even dwarflike)

With Uranus in Libra,these quirks will be likeable or palatable to a point where they are even found very attractive (Venus rules Lib) so as to make them sort out after etc. because they are usually quite rare to find." He has a very unsual but attractive appearance. He looks like a full-blooded Native-American with long black braids. This often causes him issues as well as what makes him so pleasing to look at.

It's interesting. A lot of these issues with anger I believe he has more-or-less found a way to transcend. These problems definitely lead him to his prison circumstances, but he was also able to evolve. He is mostly cool-headed, rational, practical and wise. And this very much fits with a Sun Leo/Moon Aquarius.

He may also have found a way to channel his harsh Martian aspects through physical outlets. He is incredibly strong and fit, even for 46. Age has done nothing to dampen the overabundant sexual energy that comes with these placements though (I noticed ha!)

posted November 17, 2019 02:45 PM            

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but frankly,with mars square to Venus and opposed to Neptune, another person may enter the situation. this t square can show the intense physical /emotional love between you , but Neptune often brings unknown or deceptive elements into a relationships.

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Hello todd. Some recent developments regarding my relationship and personal life path seems to have taken quite the turn. His parole hearing is on the 21st coming up, but my heart as been feeling so far from him with all the distance and lack of communication. I'm sure i'll feel differently once I see him again but...

A few days ago I met someone through a very close friend at another one of my work events. (Aries, March 24th 1999). I wonder why I keep meeting men with such age gaps. (My child's father is 40 too.)