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GalacticCoreExplosion
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posted November 13, 2019 09:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok, there seems to be two distinct camps of those that feel/believe that the person whose 1st, 5th, 7th, and/or 8th Houses holds the other person's planets in same, is primarily the one who feels the attraction, but others say that's the person's planets who are "captured" in the other person's Houses who feels it.

One of the Synastry books I have: Planets in Synastry: Astrological Patterns of Relationships by E W Neville outlines the latter--that it's the person's whose Planets are "captured" in particular Houses who feels the attraction the most.

What are your observations and patterns?

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posted November 14, 2019 07:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What I read mostly is that the house person feels it more as the planet person illuminates that house. IME both feel it but in different ways.

E.g. my Sun drops into my partner's 5th and I incite in him the feeling of romance, fun, playfulness and wanting children. As the house person, he stimulates these feelings in me - makes me feel that I can and want to do a lot of fun things with him. He also makes me want to have children even though I wasn't thinking about it.

My Venus conjunct his DSC in his 7H. It says the house person will find the Venus person as the ideal partner. But IME Venus feels the same way.

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posted November 14, 2019 10:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bismarck2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It depends on many things. For instance, some planets are more receptive, while others are more assertive.

Mars conjunct the ASC or MC will often times be interpreted as too aggressive and controlling by the angle person.

Moon in someone's 8th might actually see a part of that person that they like, or it might scare them.

What people don't seem to understand about astrology is that it's not just about "energy." These energies have physical/mental/emotional manifestations.

To use an example, what if someone's ASC is in Capricorn, and someone else's mars falls directly on that ASC. Do you honestly think a Capricorn is going to like the aggressive energy of mars right there on there ASC? I think not. However, a Libra ASC might, especially since mars is their 7th ruler.

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posted November 14, 2019 12:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AriesLilith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would look at the synastry aspects as well as the natal aspects first to see what type of partner someone is looking for, then how the other person fits in the ideal. You can have house activations but if a person doesn’t have much interest in the 8th house feel, they may not be much interested. Hard aspects to it may even make it worse. I personally have a packed 8th house but somehow attract Libra stelliums or at least Venus, specially on my Juno. Somehow I also notice these people also likes people with some sort of crazy and creativity, which fits my image.

I like fellow Aries Mooners and Venuses, but they also were interested in me.

But I also tend to attract Scorpions.

A trend I noticed is that Venus in the composites often falls in Cancer, which is midpoint of our Venuses, often squaring my Sun/Moon midpoint. Eris is often square to Venus, then sometimes Mars joins the party, and Sun, in terms of aspecting.

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posted November 14, 2019 01:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for anska5     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree with everything that has already been said. How responsive you are when a particular house is triggered may also depend on how much this house is already 'covered' by your natal planets i.e. if you already have that energy natally, you might not yearn for it in someone else. For instance, I'm extremely saturnian with sun, mercury and venus in capricorn in 7th house. Saturn not only rules my 7th house and 8th house, but I also have my natal saturn in 1st house. My 5th house ruler venus...is also in capricorn.

I have liked people with venus or ascendnat in capricorn, but bascially if someone hits my 7th and 8th house with lots of capricorn planets...I'm bored even though on paper they seem perfect and someone analysing my chart would probably see that as 'proof' that it's not the house person that is affected. But in actual fact I'm just so capricornian myself, it's too familiar to offer a spark. Instead I seek more the energy that I lack and my mars energy in a man.

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posted November 14, 2019 01:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bismarck2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by anska5:
I agree with everything that has already been said. How responsive you are when a particular house is triggered may also depend on how much this house is already 'covered' by your natal planets i.e. if you already have that energy natally, you might not yearn for it in someone else. For instance, I'm extremely saturnian with sun, mercury and venus in capricorn in 7th house. Saturn not only rules my 7th house and 8th house, but I also have my natal saturn in 1st house. My 5th house ruler venus...is also in capricorn.

I have liked people with venus or ascendnat in capricorn, but bascially if someone hits my 7th and 8th house with lots of capricorn planets...I'm bored even though on paper they seem perfect and someone analysing my chart would probably see that as 'proof' that it's not the house person that is affected. But in actual fact I'm just so capricornian myself, it's too familiar to offer a spark. Instead I seek more the energy that I lack and my mars energy in a man.


Well once someone is your 'type,' then the aspects are supposed to kick in. If you don't have any good aspects with a person, their planets falling in Capricorn won't do much.

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posted November 14, 2019 01:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for anska5     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
all these planetary conjunctions to my capricorn sun, mercury, venus planets were supposedly very 'good' aspects and lots of interaspects. At least in those cases where the super capricorn guys left me completely cold, it really can't be argued that it was down to bad aspects, why i didnt react.

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posted November 14, 2019 01:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bismarck2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by anska5:
all these planetary conjunctions to my capricorn sun, mercury, venus planets were supposedly very 'good' aspects and lots of interaspects. At least in those cases where the super capricorn guys left me completely cold, it really can't be argued that it was down to bad aspects, why i didnt react.

Since your 7th and 8th rulers are in your first, your shadowside is probably too well incorporated into your personality for you to actively seek it out. That could be a viable explanation.

Another thing to remember is that every sign has a positive and negative expression.

Something to think about.

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posted November 14, 2019 03:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for anska5     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yes, that makes sense.

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posted November 15, 2019 09:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'll have to wait till I have a day off before I can give this a more full, proper reply. But briefly for now, agree that it's more complicated and relative than what cook book delineation type books tend to portray it as.

I happen to think that 1st and 7th tend to be the most mutual.

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posted November 22, 2019 09:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted November 26, 2019 08:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I lean to thinking that E.W. Neville is likely correct in that (with my caveat, especially in the case of the 5th and 8th), that it primarily the Planet(s) person who feels the attraction to the House person. Again, I feel that 1st and 7th tend to be most innately mutual though.

There are some real life examples that I have observed where this is the case.

During his high school years, my brother had a long time friend who was absolutely obsessed with him. If he had said, "I want to be the father of your children", she would have dropped everything and everyone instantly, and been like, "Ok, let's make this happen NOW".

My brother has Libra Sun, Virgo Rising/Venus/Mars, and Scorp Moon. Aries is on his 8th. She has Aries Sun, Mercury, Rising, and Mars. All that Aries is in his 8th House, and in general 8th House relationship to his Venus and Mars as well. While he had some general attraction to her, he was not that into her sexually/romantically. I think part of it was their respective level of physical attractiveness. He's a lot more physically attractive than she is. If she had been smoking hot, he might have felt a bit different, but I suspect even then she would have still been more intensely attracted to him than he to her.

Astrologically, him "capturing" so much of her chart in his 8th seems to apply. Especially her Rising, Sun, and Mars would all tend to indicate a very strong lust and intensely wanting to merge type attraction, on the border of obsessive. (The strongly opposite energies of Libra and Aries certainly didn't help either). Clearly also some karmic connections as well.

I have a female friend with Pisces Sun and Mercury. I didn't ever think she had any kind of romantic sexual attraction to me. I was very shocked when one night at a party, she was pretty drunk and we were dancing together, when she leaned in and whispered "I'm REALLY curious about your talents (my partner had boasted of my abilities/talents during lovemaking apparently) and want to experience them..." and then tried to kiss me. Though I was also pretty drunk (not as much as her though) and definitely kind of turned on, I gently rebuffed her, and said something like, "I love you friend" and gave her hug.

I was pretty shocked for a few reasons, she was in a non open relationship with a mutual friend who was there at the party (lol, my partner had gone on a couple dates with him before my female friend and he had met, but my partner didn't end up being romantically into him), and I just never had suspected she had any interest in me like that. I know some of it was her being sloppy drunk, but she obviously had given it some thought/energy previously.

I do have some romantic attraction to her, but it's not strong. But how I do correlate the above with astrology? Her Sun and Mercury are in my 8th. I think particularly for relatively straight women in connection with relatively straight men, that their Sun or Mars in a man's 8th and 5th is particularly strong, since for women Sun and Mars say a lot about the type of man they are attracted to.

As to mutual attraction, her Moon is on my Mars Jupiter conjunction, and while not in aspect, her Aries Venus is generally opposite my Libra Moon. She does capture some of my Virgo planets in her 5th.

Women with strong Scorpio, seem to either really respect/admire and/or be very attracted to my partner if they are towards the bisexual. I think this is a combo of their placements being in her 10th House and her having Aries Moon.

Strong Aries has an 8th House pull/attraction to strong Scorpio. Many people with Aries Ascendant have Scorpio 8th House cusp. Since the Moon corresponds to women and female energy in general, it seems she exerts a particularly magnetic pull on bisexually leaning women with strong Scorpio.

There are and have been exceptions to this trend though. The person who I fell in love with, but who coldly cut me off, well her Venus-Saturn (ruler of her 5th and which is in her 7th) conjunction is in my 8th, and the faster moving ruler of her 7th and 4th, is in my 5th. She told me that she was not that strongly attracted to me.

I did find this a bit curious because during our first meetup where we spent 5 hrs together, at one point she said, "I'm sorry I keep staring at you. You're just so nice to look at." And then later, we were standing next to each other (during karaoke, and watching others sing), and I started to lightly rub my fingers up and down her back, her neck, and the back of her head, at times with more intense pressure (it's hard to explain but in a sense I was sort of energetically-symbolically making love to her via my hand and my energy), as well as some nuzzling the back of her head with my nose. I asked her towards the beginning of it if she liked it, and she said yes, but more importantly to me, she looked/felt completely blissed out in pleasure, like a cat who hadn't had affection in years and who was purring very loudly.

Hence, tbh, I'm a bit confused by her and that whole situation. In the psychic reading I got recently, the intuitive indicated that she was wearing a false mask.

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